Mandatory Vaccinations

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I recently read that the two senators in my home state of California will be pushing a bill forward removing vaccine exemptions for children. This will essentially mandate vaccinations for children to enter public school. Frankly, I am horrified. I try not to be riled up by stuff like this, but mandatory vaccinations?

Am I horrified because I think vaccinations suck and kill people and cause autism? Actually no. I don’t really think any of those things. I am horrified that the state/government/hysteria etc. would even consider that mandatory vaccinations is anything other than morally reprehensible and a clear flip of the bird in the faces of individual medical rights.

I believe (and I like to think that you do too) that parents should have a right to raise their children in the way they best see fit. This includes and covers things like freedom of religion, medical choices, and teachings within the home.

If you think this vaccination legislation has anything to do with Disneyland or measles, you are quite mistaken and you have most certainly become drunk on the measles hysteria Kool Aid.

There is an old saying about how if we do nothing when those in power try to take the rights of our neighbors, then there will be no one left to protect us when it comes time for our own rights to be taken.

To turn this around for a moment, lets talk about forced vaccinations in a different way.

Let’s say for instance that eating fast food, puffy cheese flavored snacks, jelly beans and basic “crap” food is bad for you. Let’s say that we can prove this with science. People that eat junk food get more diseases like diabetes, cancer, and heart disease. Let’s say that that they take more than they give in regards to medical insurance.

Let’s assume for a moment that our tastes and the foods that we prefer are learned in childhood and that we could prevent the eating of crap food and the associated diseases that come with it, in adulthood, by changing the way we feed children.

Changing the way children eat would be a huge benefit- not just to them individually, but to the society at large today and 50 years from now. Children that learn to eat well (what the heck, why not organic!?) will be adults who eat well and require less medical care as they enter their 40s, 50s, 60s and social security years.

The evidence is clear, the epidemics are widespread and EXPENSIVE as all get out. It is time to do something about it.

We need to start forcing children to eat well. If their parents don’t comply and continue to feed them Happy Meals and Cheetos, they will be prosecuted. There will be no exemptions. After all, the unhealthy among us hurt everybody so to allow any individual to be exempt from healthy food (especially as a child) would be damaging to them and future generations.

If parents don’t comply then action must be taken. The children can be prevented from entering public school. Public schools have standards that keep everyone safe. After all, if a child comes to school with a soda in his lunch he MIGHT share it with his desk partner and then THAT child could get diabetes someday or develop a taste for corn syrup (I hear it is even addictive). This could most certainly end in disaster.

Sure, people have individual rights, but not when they can damage and harm the group as a whole. We want ALL the children to be safe. Those that don’t comply can keep their kids out of public schools or face charges. Keep the number for CPS on hand. Station patrols at popular fast food outlets. Test blood sugars regularly.

Expect medical doctors to enforce this rule. Institute detailed checklists that must be covered in visits so that they can make sure that they have maximum patient compliance. In fact, make medical doctors liable if parents are dumb enough to feed their kids jelly beans. I mean, if they allow those lunatics (who don’t care about their children or the rest of us) to be part of their practice, then they are part of the problem and thereby encouraging awful and harmful behavior.

First do no harm.

Sure, there will be celebrities who bestow the merits of the friendly, ticklish fizz of corn syrup laden drinks. Some few, ignorant, and easily swayed, WILL fall for their witty banter. You can’t expect everybody to give a crap about their kids.

Seems like a great idea, right? Healthier kids, healthier adults, lower social costs, muscular senior citizens. Yes, the compression sock industry and dialysis companies will take a hit, but somebody has to sacrifice.

Now I hope that no matter how much you love organic food and detest corn syrup that you see the error of this way of thinking. Just because something isn’t good does not mean that the government should force people to comply, even with their children. Of course we need some checks in society. People do some awful things and hurt their children intentionally. They abuse them and kill them. Some people harm their children just because they are misguided. We must have protections for these children.

But choosing not to vaccinate a child (or choosing to let a kid have a soda) is not a choice that the government or public opinion has any right to punish. No, not even if there is a sketchy weekend at the happiest place on earth. Not even then.

This is America. This is the land of the free. People don’t have a right to be happy, but they do have a right to make their own choices, especially about what they put in their bodies regarding their medical care, and especially about what they put in the bodies of their children.

I am not going to tell you what I think about vaccines or the status of my children. You can guess all you want. But I don’t think it matters, quite frankly. I respect the right of parents to vaccinate or not vaccinate their children. I respect the right of a mother to breastfeed or bottle feed her child. I certainly don’t agree with all of those choices. I most definitely will do all I can in my power to work to educate people so that they make the choices that (I think) are best for their children.

There is nothing wrong with telling people what you think. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. I am an old fashioned girl so I even think there is nothing wrong with thinking I am right and other people are wrong or even stupid or mean.

But there is something very wrong with taking away the right of a person to make their own stupid choices.

So if you think vaccinating is stupid, go ahead. If you think not vaccinating is stupid, then go ahead and think it. Call people names. Make a big deal about it. Educate in a way that you think is most effective. Fight the power! Show them who is boss!

But don’t you dare take away their right to make a choice for themselves and their medical care- no matter what the herd is doing.

Heaven forbid we live in a country where the government (by push from the people) dictates to me what I can and cannot put into the body of my own child.

This is not a one stop bus. Oh no. When you start this trip then it keeps going and there are no brakes. What comes next? Should homeschooling be illegal? I have met some really awkward homeschooled kids. We don’t want that! Home birth? That ain’t safe! All doctors know that home birth is for people with rocks in their head! For the sake of babies that should be illegal. VBAC? We all know that while small, the risk of rupture is REAL and higher in VBAC women and can end in death for her or her baby or both. Is this medical choice (VBAC or not) on the table next as something that the government can legislate?

And the ride keeps going, until someday, the rights taken are not from your neighbor with her silly views and her Jenny McCarthy obsession. No, someday they will come for you.

Yes, I sound a little fatalistic. Well, Cowboy, I am feeling a little fatalistic. I can’t believe the idea of this could even be entertained. The right of a parent or anyone to make medical choices for themselves must be protected. What is next? Maybe we should force people with cancer to undergo treatment XYZ, because everything else is just not proven to work?

Don’t let this happen, even if you think that vaccinations are one of the greatest inventions ever. They very well may be one of the best things to happen to the world. They have saved countless lives around the world and will continue to do so. But if we want to get more people to vaccinate, you don’t require it by law. You teach. You educatate. You actually LISTEN to the concerns of vaccine hesitant parents. You don’t force them. You don’t make it near impossible for them to find a physician who will actually see them. You don’t make it difficult to put their kids in school. All of these things further marginalized people that are starting to get a little scared.

Forced vaccinations are not the way to increase vaccination rates. Listening to parents and their concerns is the way to create change – and if it doesn’t have the impact you want, then let them be. Education and empathy will do a lot more than force in this fight.

Be kind. Remember that there are never rights that belong to “other people.” There are only human rights, and when one group loses them, we all do.

The two senators sponsoring this legislation in California are:

Benjamin Allen (contact page)

or you can call or write:

Capitol Office: State Capitol, Room 2054, Sacramento, CA 95814-4900; (916) 651-4026

District Office: 2512 Artesia Blvd., Suite 320, Redondo Beach, CA 90278; (310) 318-6994

and Richard Pan (contact page)

or you can call or write:

Capitol Office: State Capitol, Room 4070, Sacramento, CA 95814-4900; (916) 651-4006

District Office: 1020 N Street, Room 576, Sacramento, CA 95814; (916) 651-1529

All other California State Senators can be found on this page:

http://senate.ca.gov/senators

Note: various states are doing similar things. If you would like to get involved, contact your state representatives.

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97 thoughts on “Mandatory Vaccinations”

  1. You say in the article “I respect the right of parents to vaccinate or not vaccinate their children”. I, on the other hand, deny that such a right exists. And I do not respect anyone’s desire to accommodate such a “right”. Its not about the child you don’t vaccinate. Its about the children who are too young to be vaccinated, the elderly who’s immunity has faded with time, and other people who have medical conditions that leave them vulnerable. I have a friend who had a kidney transplant. If your child harbors a communicable disease because you didn’t vaccinate them, and my friend is exposed, it could kill her. You do NOT have the right to make that choice. And I fully and unconditionally support the force of law forcing you to vaccinate your child against your wishes.

      1. Wow, Cindy. You took the words right out of my mouth! I am 67 years old and remember a kinder, gentler America. I was stupid enough in the 70’s to vaccinate all four of my children. The oldest is autistic, the next son eventually died of his vaccine injuries at age 28, my daughter suffers and is crippled by rheumatoid arthritis that started at age 12 after a Measles booster, and my youngest son has severe ADHD. There is no do-over. Choice is everything when it comes to vaccination. I’m sure someone will reply that we are a genetically weak family. Yes, what do you think people are looking at when they do vaccine exemptions!! You don’t give toxic shots to kids who have a family history of neurological and auto-immune disorders.

        1. Well Kathy, I am not 67, but when I was growing up Measles, mumps and chickenpox where childhood diseases, non life threatening. So I am not sure why there is a chemical injection, or several of them required for these diseases. It makes you wonder if the whole measles hipe in California was no more than a scare to get the Government going to require more drugs be used. Maybe because parents are becoming more educated to the harm of these medicines, and opting out. But whether you are for or against vaccinations, I agree with this author. Everytime we let the Government mandate something, we lose some rights, this time it may not be something we care about, but sooner or later it will affect something we do care about and then it will be too late. If we dont protect others rights, then we wont be able to protect ours either.

    1. What most people don’t know is that it is almost impossible to get a medical exemption.So even if your child died from a vaccine reaction and you don’t want to expose your other children to the same risk, or if your child is vaccine injured and you don’t want to expose them to more of the same vaccine that harmed them, you may not be able to get a medical exemption. The personal exemption is the only way you have to protect your child. I personally had a Dr tell me that my child’s severe reaction was to the vaccines she had, but he still would not document it or provide a medical exemption.

      1. Where do you live? Because where I am, all you have to do is sign a piece of paper saying it’s against your religion and BAM no vaccination requirements for your kids to go to school.

    2. The supreme court will not allow this, body integrity cannot be violated. There is a lawsuit against Merk for making a mmr vaccine that didn’t work and this whole thing is just a PR stunt to deflect attention from the ineffectiveness of one batch of vaccines, congrats you fell for it. They made 44 billion last year, and they thank you for your support, they are looking at record losses if they don’t distract you, looks like the 100 million they spent on multi platform social media campagn is a roaring success and was money well spent. In fact all the kids that got vaccinated and then contracted the measles people will want to kill those parents not support their effort to sue Merc, and absolutely no one is talking about the 5 to 10 percent of failure rate of their mmr vaccine. On behalf of Merk I want to thank Marc for his support, if you indeed are a person and not one of the many paid trolls.

    3. I hope Marc is being paid for his posts, because it turns out that merk spent more like 500 million on advertising in 2014. I am just worried Marc is working for free. There is big money to take the position you are taking, I hope your not doing it for free? Especially after the lawsuits and the reports of mass death in the African trials of a super potent measles vaccine for newborns, didn’t work out, they died. oops That’s big business, they control Marc’s opinions either through money spent directly to marc or money spent on misinformation to Marc. I wonder how you feel Marc about the African study? Is marc evil? or misinformed? Who knows but it is fascinating to think about. Marc could also just be a computer bot?

    4. What about the children who are killed or permanently injured by vaccines? How can we take away parents’ rights to choose, and tell them, “If your child dies, or suffers an adverse effect that will destroy the rest of his/her life, that”s acceptable collateral damage for the greater good?” How can we value one life more than another? Never mind the fact that vaccinated people can still get sick, and can still spread illness. There’s a reason hospitals ask you not to visit if you’ve recently had the MMR for example. Also: Vaccine makers cannot be sued, and getting a settlement through the vaccine court is very, very difficult. How can we mandate something with known risks of injury or death, and then do nothing to support the families whose children suffer adverse effects? Where is your compassion for those families, those kids? We have vaccine injury in our family – acute encephalitis from the MMR, resulting in permanent brain damage. It’s devastating, and the costs of treatment have almost bankrupted the child’s parents. The Supreme Court said vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe”… how do you mandate an invasive, unavoidably unsafe medical procedure that also is known to not be 100% effective? It’s unconstitutional, for certain. And, honestly, with more than 300 vaccines in development, what happens when they add more shots to the schedule, and you come across one you don’t want for yourself or your child… and you no longer have a right to opt out? Did you know there isn’t a single study that compares long-term impact of the full schedule, comparing health outcomes in vaccinated and unvaccinated children? That’s appalling. In our case, our doctors agreed that for our daughter, the risks outweigh the benefits… yet we had to do a personal belief exemption, because medical exemptions are so hard to get. Our DOCTORS agree. Yet you want to take away my right to do what’s best for my child? I’m devastated by the lack of compassion and empathy… the lack of civil discourse at a national level… and the willingness to run roughshod over individual rights because we’re so scared of what once were considered routine childhood illnesses.

    5. I have a three year old son who has a one in a million chance of contracting measles and a 1 in 67 chance of being diagnosed autistic per the CDC. God has not charged me with protecting your already fatally sick friend. I only have interest in my child’s health. He was born full term without intervention and never fed a single ounce of formula. We eat only whole organic food and minimize toxins. If my son caught measles, I have no doubt he would handle it fine and become stronger for it. I would never allow toxic substances injected into my child to protect anybody else.

      1. The reason your child has such a low chance of contracting the measles is because of vaccines. Because most people are vaccinated against the disease, fewer people get it.

        However, because people like you have decided to not vaccinate, that chance is no longer as small and diseases which were all but eradicated are now starting to make a comeback and more people are catching them.

        Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying “not my kid. The chances are so small of him getting it, it’ll never happen”, won’t work. And that isn’t all. Because of this upsurge in breakouts of these diseases (caused by people like you not vaccinating their kids), the diseases stand a really good chance of mutating and becoming resistant to the current vaccines that are out there. That means more outbreaks, more people in hospital, and more deaths.

        As a closing point, vaccines don’t cause autism. Autism is partly genetic and partly caused by complications before birth, not by vaccines. If your kid catches measles (or any other currently preventable disease) then they stand a good chance of suffering from “life ruining” complications, as you put it, including death. As a parent, I would much rather have a child with autism who can, thanks to special schooling and therapy, live a productive life as opposed to not having a child at all.

        1. Autism IS caused by vaccines. Come visit my house and I’ll explain over tea how I saw it happen, shot after shot. Then you can visit with my 41 year old autistic son.

          1. And for all your arguments of how vaccines cause autism (which has been scientifically disproved time after time after time) I can point you in the direction of numerous mothers who have children with autism and 100% do not believe it was a vaccination. My niece has autism, yet her younger 2 sisters do not. Please explain to me how vaccines cause autism in that case.

        2. There is NO PROOF that vaccines kept anyone from getting sick. These childhood diseases were on the decline before the vaccines came out. Since the 1970’s the only Polio cases in the US were directly caused by the Polio vaccine. Bill Gates is being sued for his participation in paralyzing or killing 47,500 people with the Polio vaccine. The CDC is being sued for fraud because the MMR is not protecting as it was advertised. People working on the studies knew about it, but kept their mouths shut. They even accepted awards for their work. Now those people are speaking up. Why aren’t we hearing about it in the news? Because big pharma money is lining the pockets of the media. Get a clue people! Take off your rose colored glasses and see what goes on.

      2. Exactly my sentiments! I wished I never vaccinated my first child. He was injured by them. His dr knows that but can’t give us a medical exemption. He recovered with biomedical treatment and is doing great just there are no more safe shots for him. I didn’t k kW back hem what I know now. I wished I did…
        Now I am pregnant with the second baby, due in June. I am so afraid of the new law that sits in the senate to remove our rights to exemption for vaccines. I don’t care about your terminally ill friends Marc, I care about my child who has a weak genetic line combined with the toxins in the vaccines and environment. My child next day after vaccinations was not the same anymore. For you and everybody else he is a collateral damage, the one in a million. For me that one is everything!!!!!
        So shut up and keep a low profile.

      3. You are absolutely right MJ. In fact I personally have contracted mumps after mmr vaccination, my cousin contracted measles right after the vaccination, and my sister got rubella, right after vaccination. In all cases we were very badly sick. On contrary when my son got sick with rubella, all the symptoms were very mild and he was fully back in a week. The chance of contracting any of these communicable diseases are low, and even if you do get sick, they are not life threatening. Your healthy child with his stronger than vaccinated children immune system will most likely have very mild sickness, will stay at home under your care longer and will not expose anyone to virus.

      4. MJ I completely agree with you ! My astute mother put me to bed when I had measles as a child, fed me real food, and watched me develop into a healthy kid who never had to see a doctor. At age 73 I take no pills, have no need to see my colleagues for medication, and have enjoyed the health benefits of contracting harmless childhood infections at a time when most parents allowed their children to be naturally immunised, FOR LIFE !

    6. And by your reasoning, if a child (or adult) with a communicable virus (that has no vaccination– say RSV) exposes someone with a compromised immune system… then it could kill that person. By your reasoning. So… do we mandate everyone stay home when they are ill? I personally choose to do so, because I think it’s rude to spread germs. Should the government be allowed to tell us when and when we are allowed to leave our house? No. Should they be allowed to tell me what to put in my body? No. What cracks me up is that people think that unvaccinated kids are some walking, talking cesspool of diseases. They’re not. This is a very slippery and dangerous slope America is on, with all this legislation pending.

    7. What about the 2,000 children/year who experience significant harm from their vaccinations? Don’t they have any rights?

    8. I’m sorry your friend needed a kidney transplant. But with all due respect, your friend is the one who has the issue and needs to be careful and do things such a wear a mask when she goes out. She could become very sick from a simple cold. So can a baby or elderly person. Complications from a cold include pneumonia.
      Please look up and understand informed consent. Vaccines are a medical procedure. No one should be forced to receive them.

    9. Marc, including the personal belief crowd, California’s exemption rate is under 3%. 97% vaccination rates are plenty high to ensure the force field of herd immunity.

    10. Ignorance is bliss!!
      Do your research you will be very much surprised to find vaccinated children are actually developing new strands of the very disease they are being vaccinated against. Vaccination DOES NOT mean immunization!!! The friend you are speaking about is in more harms way around vaccinated children that develop new types of these disease because they do not have treatments for them. Just research the ingredients in vaccines … Radiator fluid, phelmaldahyde, and of course Mercury to name a few show stoppers. Oh but wait… Mercury doesn’t have any effect on children no no not the autism shpeal again. How about taking a look at the rise in childhood cancers doesn’t that spark a concern? What could possibly be the cause of the rise of childhood cancer?? We have much better living conditions, food and water than ever before. Just LOOK at the ingredients in vaccines oh yes!!! Let’s not forget to mention the rise of auto immune diseases in children. The rise of allergies and the good old peanut allergies that are rampant. That’s right the vaccine companies DO NOT have to even include that vaccines are made with peanut oil that is being injected right into the blood stream of newborns. Then take a look at other countries like Europe and there vaccinations and scheduling. Please ask yourself why is America soooooo vaccine crazed? You will figure out very quickly economics plays an enormous role in the vaccination market. I know it’s extremely scary to even think or question that just maybe our medical field, government, FDA and CDC may be making millions off this… but they are!!
      Please, please, question, question, question, research ,research,research, for yourself and your families well being and especially before you speak on a topic you obviously know little about. Be well!

    11. Marc even those vaccinated can “harbor” a disease. If you haven’t read the Merck files yet then do a google. You will find that most that were vaccinated are probably not covered anyway. Second if you further read about adverse events and the studies involved you will realize that there is a lot wrong with our vaccinations to date. Some have saved lives agreed but there is a lot wrong with our vaccinations today. There are a lot of other ways to protect our children and the elderly. Most of these steps should be taken first and foremost and should done regardless if a child is vaccinated. Just for some information to think upon my oldest has several vaccinations not all and spread out but at 5 because of the same measle scare 2 years ago I decided to do it- his personality changed drastically as if he could no longer process things the way he had for 5 years consistently. Working with homeopathics I did as much as I could do re balance his body asap and by sort of cleansing him with lots of greens. Anyway he also had the roto virus shot..got the roto virus at one for 12 days and was one of the worse cased they had seen. My oldest out of 4 get sick constantly and the other 3 do not. The 2nd son has had two vaccines and had a severe reaction to both. The other 2 nothing to date. Again my oldest is sick more and sick the longest. They all get vitamins they all get the same homeopathy but I truly believe that the vaccines that are suppose to help cause damage as well. The same people that have compromised immune systems cannot get vaccines- for the same reason- vaccines compromise the immune system much like the actual disease but worse because they use many other agents to create a reaction in the body. I hope I have given something to think about and realized that vaccinations are not the 100% answer and force to do anything is wrong.

    12. Well Marc, both Johns Hopkins and St. Jude’s hospitals warn patients like your friend who had a kidney transplant to avoid those who were recently vaccinated with live viruses such as measles, polio, smallpox, and chicken pox. Live viruses SHED for up to 4 weeks, which means anyone who was vaccinated with a live virus could INFECT someone who is immuocompromised.

      And while we’re on that topic, anyone who claims that they vaccinate their child in order to protect those who are immunocompromised, or the elderly, etc, is telling a bold-faced LIE. Parents vaccinate their child to protect THEIR CHILD. Not to protect the “greater good”. Stop with the BS please, it’s old.

      As of today, nearly 4,000 Americans have been compensated by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (“vaccine court”) in the amount of nearly 3 BILLION DOLLARS for vaccine injuries, including DEATH. Every single one of those victims were “pro-vaccine”. So tell me, if you were a parent of one of those victims, and you knew that your child would suffer a debilitating injury b/c of the vaccines, would you still choose to vaccinate? You know, for the greater good.

      1. Yes exactly!

        Almost every person who is pro-vaccination doesn’t even know 10% of the scientific facts and studies available on the subject.

        For instance, pro-vaxxer, did you even know that the source of the outbreak of measles in New York was from a FULLY VACCINATED 20-something year old woman!!!

        Vaccination does not equal immunity!!!

        And it does not make the immunio-compromised safe! That is a fact! Ask any knowledgable doctor: the immunio-compromised are told to stay away from any one who was RECENTLY VACCINATED!!!

        And for the

    13. Young children, under the age one are now vulnerable to illnesses because of vaccines. Their mothers are never allowed to pass on their own immunity because it has been vaccinated out of them. Someone immuno compromised is the sickest among us and should stay away from the “herd” because even the vaccinated are capable of spreading disease. It makes little sense to compromise the health of the entire population for the few. There are other ways to protect them without taking everyone’s rights away. Soon they would mandate how many children we have, euthanize us for the greater good, force us to take any and all prescribed mess, etc. . No, the individual has the right to freedom over his own body. Ironic that that is what the abortion advocates are always screaming. I disagree that we don’t have the right to be happy. We do have that right and it’s spelled out in the Declaration of Independence; the “inalienable” right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ” When you choose to destroy my inalienable rights, I will do all to protect my rights under the First and Second amendments which I believe were crafted to protect people from people, like you, who would deign to take away the rights and freedoms of others.

    14. People should have their rights removed because there are vulnerable people in society? That’s an interesting argument. Are you a socialist then? I presume you would believe all vulnerable groups in society should be protected then…low-income groups who can’t afford food much less preventative medical care as one example. Should the ‘herd’ bear the cost? Women in society are more vulnerable than men and more frequent victims of sex crimes, so should men be forced to take a pill to reduce their aggression? Wouldn’t that protect the greater good, especially that vulnerable group? The point is, you would never walk up to a stranger on the street and ask them to give up one of their freedoms for the sake of one of your loved ones.

      I could give any number of ridiculous examples to illustrate the lack of rationale for this argument, covering any number of ‘rights’ from free speech to gun control, but I think you get the point. Removal of one right to choose impacts any future proposals of equal legal stupidity. Take care with the precedents you hope to set…there’s no way to predict how they might come back to impact you in a completely unrelated way later.

    15. Very young children are at risk because the natural immunity their mothers used to confer on them has been vaccinated out of them and their antibodies can’t protect their young. The immuno-compromised are the sickest among us so you advise that we all cause injury to ourselves to protect them? There are other ways to protect them. Mandate vaccines and the next thing they’ll mandate is that we take every med a doctor prescribes, every diagnostic test you can imagine, micro chips under our skin and euthasia when we are no longer valuable by ‘their’ estimation. It is a Pandora’s box. We are already slaves in this society, we don’t need to forfeit, contra to the Geneva conventions and Amendment 14 of our constitution, rights to what goes into our bodies. We are sane adults who can make those decisions for ourselves. We have that right now in the form of The patients Bill of Rights, where in we can refuse any form of medical treatment that we do not desire. This so-called science of vaccination equals immunization, which it does not, is a relatively young endeavor and not fully proven to be effective or safe. No one has the right to force us to baby guinea pigs for this huge science experiment and any harm that is done to us by a vaccine is done by an industry that has no liability for the harm that it causes thanks to the Vaccine court established in 1986 that gives pharmaceutical industry full impunity. I disagree that we do not have the right to happiness. The Declaration of Independence guarantees that all men are created equal and that they have the in alienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. To violate the sanctity of my body against my will would leave me no choice but to employ my rights under the first and second amendments. We have too many legislators going off half cocked not knowing the science and the harm that will be created by mandating such barbaric interventions. This must never take place.

    16. Your comment is another example of the problem and hypocrisy that people have when they give that same argument. You don’t really care for children because your comment completely Ignores all of the children that have been damaged or died because of vaccine reactions. You haven’t read a vaccine insert because if you had you would understand that people are unknowingly injecting poisons like aluminum and formaldehyde into their children. If u looked up the results of those things than you, if you care as you say about children, would be questioning vaccines as other parents are. My child had a reaction to a vaccine as did some of my family members. One has permanent damage. As for the idea that healthy unvaccinated children spread disease, that is also a fallacy. Go to John Hopkins and they have instructions for children under cancer treatment to stay away from recently vaccinated children. Live vaccines are known to spread the germs in mucous, feces,saliva for weeks after vaccination. So in fact the in all likely hood it is the vaccinated spreading infection. Aside from that vaccinations, wear off over time so adults that do not get vaccinated again can be carrying around sickness and spreading as well. So ur lack of caring for the injured, and your lack of knowledge of the actual facts, gives you know right to supercede my rights to make informed , and researched choices for my family. It matters to me the children that have been injured and suffered and while u are happy making a fear based decision, I stand with the rest of my fellow Americans who support the right to choose.

    17. You sir, belong in Nazi Germany about 1940 or so. You act like there should be a vaccine for everything. That is impossible especially with all the corruption we have in our government and big pharma. This is like the vaccine was successful but it killed the kid. The same thing prevails with cancer treatments. It is a one size fits all scenario and it doesn’t work either. The chemo/surgery/radiation treatments were successful but the patient died of the treatment, not the disease.
      Your friend you mentioned who had a kidney transplant could die from a cold that ended in pneumonia. Now tell me how you are going to vaccinate someone against colds since these viruses mutate as fast as the flu viruses do? A good cut and that friend of yours could die from MRSA, that’s Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus. There aren’t vaccines for that either. Never will be because unfortunately, MRSA came about as a result of over usage and improper usage of antibiotics. How nice. Also for your information, the immune system has recently been discovered to have been damaged by all the vaccines we have been giving since the late 50’s early 60’s. How nice, again, man’s attempt to improve something they don’t understand in the first place.
      Truly, I think, and I am allowed to do that you know, that attitudes like yours should be ignored because they are the same ones that breed tyranny of more than one type, including medical tyranny and I don’t believe anyone that has a brain in their heads would want that either.

    18. The irony. Are you aware that for your immuno-compromised friend, it is recommended that he not come into contact with any recently vaccinated (that’s VACCINATED) children, lest he be exposed to the myriad live viruses that are routinely by these children for several weeks after vaccination.

      Of course this never gets publicized. And while the vaccine inserts for the live flu vaccine clearly state to avoid contact with any immuno-compromised people for several weeks after vaccination, children are routinely given this vaccine and then immediately returned to school. So everyone is so afraid of the unvaccinated children, and whining about the immuno-compromised who may be at school, but when it comes down to policy…no one wants to talk about the real fact of viral shedding and how the VACCINATED can infect others.

    19. I want to say that I would rather see some real sick people meet their fate than loose my human rights. If you want to make my kids I’ll by vaccinating them and imprison me, I will take action. I’m afraid a lot if people will do just the same to protect their rights. And for the record, we need to reverse this discussion into banning the vaccinations altogether because they cause harm, and imprison all the drug executives since all the prescription drugs are poisoning people. I’m guessing you will have to work in a coal mine Mark for accepting payments from drug companies for writing such idiotic statements.

  2. I do not agree. A child eating a happy meal will not kill the child next to him. Parents who have chosen not to vaccinate their children with no valid medical basis are breaking down the herd immunity and putting everyone in danger of contracting dangerous diseases that have horrible histories of disfiguring, disabling, and even killing children and adults alike. This isn’t a simple question of the right to choose. I can choose for my daughter to wear blue jeans instead of purple pants. That decision doesn’t affect anyone else. If a vaccination only affected that one child, fine. But it doesnt. It affects EVERYONE. Choosing not to vaccinate your child should be considered a denial of medical treatment in my opinion and subject to neglect charges against the parent.

    1. You must think diseases are just floating around in the air, waiting for some unvaccinated child to pick it up and infect everyone around them. That’s nonsense! The only people who get people sick are sick people, and unvaccinated people are not at all likely to get sick in a country with clean water, good food and sanitation and excellent medical care. If they were, we’d have seen a lot more disease a lot sooner than this.

      We no longer vaccinate for small pox, yet there are no epidemics of small pox. MOST adults are no longer protected by their pertussis vaccine (and are UNVACCINATED) and yet there are no epidemics of whooping cough. MOST people are unvaccinated for Hepatitis B, and yet there are no epidemics of Hep. B.

      And less than 200 measles cases (20% of them in VACCINATED adults and none of them fatal) is NOT an epidemic of measles in a population of 320 MILLION. The hysteria is totally unwarranted.

      And aside from the risk of side effects, historically, many vaccines have been recalled after causing harm to thousands, such as the first DTP vaccine, the oral polio vaccine, and others. Also, currently Merck is under investigation for falsifying data on the effectiveness and safety of the MMR vaccine. Why do we mistrust the pharmaceutical industry (and hold them legally accountable) on everything they make except vaccinations? Their track record speaks for itself.

      As long as risk of harm exists, and as long as vaccine manufacturers and doctors are exempt from liability for any harm caused, informed consent and individual rights must trump FEAR of a POSSIBLE (though doubtful) public health epidemic.

      We must not let irrational fear cause us to abrogate the basic human and civil rights to autonomy over one’s body. Fear of a 1 in a million chance of catching a vaccinatible disease is no justification for taking away freedom of choice in our country.

      If it were, then by the very same logic, we should then quarantine all people with ANY infectious disease that could hurt or kill others. Fines and jail time and removal of children for anyone caught out of their homes with the flu or RSV or bacterial meningitis. For the public good of course.

      1. The logic here is painful.
        Smallpox was eradicated by vaccines. If it came back, you’d be first in line to get the vaccine. The same goes for polio.

        Hep B cannot be transmitted through the air, but other diseases certainly are “floating in the air,” as they are transmissible by airborne droplets.

        Whooping cough is back, and far more people are getting, partly due the waning immunity you talk about, including adults. The reason you see psas for pertussis immunization is that pertussis sucks for healthy adults- 100 days of coughing, but what’s a few broken ribs among friends?- but can be fatal in babies (who can not be vaccinated) and the elderly.

        People with bacterial meningitis are quarantined as they are universally in the hospital, often in the icu, and put on isolation protocol. Thank God for vaccines as many of the common and often fatal causes of bacterial meningitis are vaccinated against and have since decreased in frequency.
        You have drunk the kooks is, sister, and I hope it doesn’t come back to bite you.

        You have absolutely no idea what measles can do if we don’t prevent the spread of it. Ask people who were alive before the vaccine- it was miserable and yes, fatal. You are spoiled by your community’s vaccination rate.

        Mumps is no big deal either, unless it causes your child to become infertile. Or mine. Because he’s 6 months old and can’t be vaccinated against it. And if your unvaccinated kid gives my baby a vaccine preventable disease, I will hold you personally responsible.

        1. I’m one who was alive before the measles vaccine. I had the measles. So did my brothers. So did everybody. We got to stay home and play. Yes, after the first couple of days, we felt well enough to play, and by the time the spots were gone, we were so rambunctious that our parents couldn’t wait to get us back in school. The upward spiral in health and immunity from natural infection with a mild childhood disease is priceless. The incidence of serious measles injury pales in comparison to the epidemic of vaccine injuries. Vaccines are forcing the microbes onto babies too young to vaccinate because microbes have the biological imperative to exit and thrive just as we humans have. I wonder if we can ever restore the balance whereby maternally conferred immunity protects babies until they are old enough to withstand the blessing of immunity giving measles as children.

        2. I had measels and so did my sisters. We are all fine. I am 56 years old now. There is not one shred of evidence that vaccines keep people from getting sick. There is however, all kinds of evidence that vaccines cause harm. Read the history. The childhood diseases were just as eliminated as they are today, when the vaccines came out. The only cases of Polio in the US since the 1970’s were directly caused by the Polio vaccine. By the way, vaccines are causing a different strain of the diseases they were meant to combat. Why do people think it is safe for newly vaccinated people to go to school or out in public? They can shed this new man-made virus and it is worse than the wild virus. Why isn’t it OK for the unvaccinated to hold you reaponsible if your vaccinated kid gives the unvaccinated kid a worse virus than the wild virus? Should we put you in jail because your kid made someone elses kid sick? Not just sick, but sicker than if they came down with the wild virus. This has been a ridiculous argument back and forth. I am sick and tired of hearing from people who think it is perfectly OK to legislate mandatory medical procedures because something MIGHT happen. If you do the research you will find that you have been lied to about the efficacy of vaccines. There is NO PROOF that they keep you from getting sick.

      2. Could not agree with you more!! Nice to know others are on the same page!! Once you turn the corner there’s no turning back! If only others were not so brain washed by media Drs and gov’t. The crazy part is the measles were brought into Disney by a person traveling from a third world country not an unvaccinated child. It would be healthier to get the means bc the body creates its own immunity for life not just possibly until the so called next booster. My only wish is that they find time to do the research and see and learn for themselves.

    2. And the collateral damage (approx 2,000/year seriously harmed or killed by the vaccines)? What do you call that?

    3. That’s an interesting thought. I can see your concern for your friend. Did you know that if a child is undergoing chemo and has a system that is not strong/deficient, that the hospital actually tells them to stay away from, Not the unvaccinated, but from the vaccinated population, because the shedding of the vaccine last for approx 2 weeks. Did you know that if someone has chicken pox/whooping cough/fill in the blank, that they are then immune long term, often for life? But when a person is injected with a vaccine, they are still carriers and can pass on the virus (not a disease, but a virus), to others whose vaccines are not up to date or to the non vaccinated. Did you know that vaccines simply suppress the virus from being active in the system and masks symptoms which is why the vaccinated still carry and pass it on? These virus’s have gone nowhere; they are not eradicated simply because you are injected. I know that when go visit your friend, that I have had all the basics: chicken pox, pertussis, etc and that I will not infect your friend. But if you know anyone who has not had a natural immunity built up to these things, then be sure that if they are vaccinated that they stay away from your friend, because shedding is real. It says so on the vaccine package.

      1. He likely doesn’t have a friend with that condition. It is just one of the things that his “Complete idiots guide to arguing the pro-vaccine case” tells him to say.

        Even in the one in a million chance he actually does what he misses is that it is pretty bloody stupid for someone to be petrified of coming into contact with a couple of *potentially* sick unvaccinated children at the same time as they spend large slabs of their lives surrounded by *actual* sick people in hospitals and doctors’ waiting rooms.

    4. “Thus, measles outbreaks also occur even among highly vaccinated populations because of primary and secondary vaccine failure, which results in gradually larger pools of susceptible persons and outbreaks once measles is introduced. This leads to a paradoxical situation whereby measles in highly immunized societies occurs primarily among those previously immunized,” writes Gregory Poland, MD, chief doctor at the Mayo Clinic vaccine research institute.
      And the CDC Pink Book explains how the measles vaccine has forced measles infection into much younger babies: “As a result, a smaller amount of antibody was transferred across the placenta to the fetus, compared with antibody transfer from mothers who had higher antibody titers resulting from wild-virus infection. The lower quantity of antibody resulted in immunity that waned more rapidly, making infants susceptible at a younger age than in the past.”
      So, measles now occurs primarily in the vaccinated, and babies are more at risk of infection, and you think that is a favorable outcome?
      The science is clear, the measles vaccine has created an enormous mess of actual, natural herd immunity, while creating immune dysfunction and developmental catastrophe in thousands and thousands of children and babies, ruining their possibility of a normal, healthy life.

    5. Lyndsey, there are actually many medical studies that I can source of you would like that prove that the ingredients in junk food and happy meals actually compromise your immune system and make you more likely to catch viruses, the flu and the common cold, and since those illnesses are extremely more deadly than many of the illnesses you vaccinate against, you are putting my children at risk of catching the flu by feeding your kids junk food and happy meals. I’m not even saying this as analogy. This is true. I am offended that people feed their kids junk food. I am offended that people bring their sick kids out in public ALL THE TIME coughing and sneezing and even –I’ve seen- -vomiting. You and they all are putting my kids at risk! I would rather every person in America stops eating junk food, stops supporting McDonald’s so they go out of business, and stop supporting GMO’s which are destroying the earth for our children and grandchildren and so on. My kids would be MUCH SAFER AND MICH HEALTHIER IF PEOPLE STOPPED DOING THIS AND MY KIDS WOULD BE FAAAAAR LESS LIKELY TO DIE prematurely.
      The main point however is that while I feel very strongly about this and there are many scientific studies to prove the accuracy and truth of what I write… How would you like it
      If an armed guard came to your house and at gun point forced you to remove all processed food from your house?? How would you like it if you lived in an America where you could be shot for taking your kid out when sick? Or be put in jail for doing so? Or whatever. THE POINT IS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THAT MUCH POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT!! They are not infallible. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their grave at the state of America right now. Whatever your beliefs are: fine. Try to educate others. Try to persuade others. Argue. Debate. But DO NOT VOTE TO HAND OVER THAY MUCH CONTROL TO THE GOVERNMENT!! Otherwise next time it will be a right that you care about that is getting taken away.

      Do you get it now? If not, How would you feel if the government forced you to NOT VACCINATE YOUR CHILD? that is the main point. Even while I think and believe and have lots of studies that show that vaccinations are far more dangerous than not vaccinating, I would never vote for the government to take that right away from you or any other person! It’s not the government’s role or purpose! And it is a slippery slope and it is extremely dangerous to head down that path! The more power the government has, the more it is going to snow ball and we will not live in a free America by any means. Please think wisely!!!
      Almost every person who is pro-vaccination doesn’t even know 10% of the scientific facts and studies available on the subject.

      For instance, pro-vaxxer, did you even know that the source of the outbreak of measles in New York was from a FULLY VACCINATED 20-something year old woman!!!

      Vaccination does not equal immunity!!!

      And it does not make the immunio-compromised safe! That is a fact! Ask any knowledgable doctor: the immunio-compromised are told to stay away from any one who was RECENTLY VACCINATED!!!

  3. If you endanger a child and the rest of society, you deserve to be put in prison, for a very long time, and to lose the rights to your child. Period. It sounds nice to say that we should coddle the emotionally frail and psychologically weak into doing the right thing. But that has never worked before.

    1. And it is my belief that vaccinated people (especially recent live virus vaccines) who endanger everyone else, (but most especially themselves), yet I still don’t promote you going to prison. (As if that would stop what you view as endangerment anyway.) I want and need to remind you that this is America and unless we fully take on a fascist dictatorship, people will be allowed to be pro-choice. There are those who are promoting that Christianity be this country’s official religion as well, but it’s not going to happen and that’s just how it should be in AMERICA!
      Just one easy reference:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4

    2. Truth! We need more folks like you to speak out for the rights of the medically frail! Will you consider living donation for you and your family members today? The benefits are immeasurable to both you and the recipient. In a perfect world, living organ donation would be mandated by law and citizens screened at birth. Right now, we need outspoken individuals to step up for the good of society and demand a change in laws to SAVE lives.

    3. By the very same logic, we should then quarantine all people with ANY infectious disease that could hurt or kill others. Jail time and removal of children for anyone caught out of their homes with the flu, impetigo, scarlet fever, RSV, foot and mouth, or even a bad cold, etc. People, like babies and old people, could die!! To leave the house if you are unwell is to endanger children and the rest of society. We must quarantine and/or jail them for the public good of course.

    4. How do you define ‘endangering a child’? I ask because many children are injured by vaccines every year, yet the government provides BLANKET LIABILITY PROTECTION to the doctors who assured their parents that the risks were ‘infinitesimal AND the manufacturers who neglected to do proper trials. How safe can a product be if the manufacturer bears no responsibility for errors?

    5. Coca Cola, PepsiCo, Monsanto, McDonalds, Merck, GSK (and on and on)- this is who is endangering our children. Not their parents.

  4. I think doctors need to start cracking down on kids with cold symptoms and sinus infections, etc, too! Those kids have absolutely NO business in a pediatrician’s waiting room, or anywhere in public for that matter! I brought my PREEMIE TWO MONTH OLD in for a WELL check and her first round of shots. She ended up getting RSV from some kid in the waiting room. I know because the ped said it was going around and he’d seen a lot of patients with it recently. Those parents should be responsible for my medical bills because we ended up in the ER for difficulty breathing. It is unfathomable the lack of regard for the innocent these disease carriers have!

      1. That’s not the point. The point is, I am sick and tired of seeing all these sick kids at the pediatrician’s office. I am sick of sitting next to some kid’s stinky chain smoking, asthma attack inducing parents. I am sick of having to skip a seat because obese parents need more room. They are normalizing obesity, threatening us ALL! It is one of the number one risk factors for many deadly diseases. Pediatricians are failing us all by continuing to see these morons who put us all in danger!

        Lastly, I am sick and tired of hearing about kid’s on kidney transplant wait lists when 99% of us have TWO working kidneys! Organ conscription has saved hundreds of lives in China. There are answers to most of these problems if only the government would help! If only….!

        1. if you child is healthy dont go to the doctor. why are you exposing your child and putting them at risk by going to a place you know sick people will be? why do you need to check in and get approval from some brainwashed idiot in a white coat who knows nothing about how the body systems work, and is a sales rep for the drug companies and does what they tell them to do. do your research on vaccines. they do not grant immunity.
          if you study the science you will see they repress the immune system. they are also full of poisons like mercury and aluminum and a hundred other things. go ahead and look it up there are plenty more poisons. there are no studies that prove vaccines work and it is the vaccinated who carry disease and infect others. well people do not infect others.
          your whole theory about vaccines is thrashed when you say the non vaccinated are a danger to you. so much for those vaccines working. if they worked, why would you be afraid?

          when your child grows up in a healthy loving home, not a cruel authoritarian one, they will be healthy and happy. your words damage their immune systems and their sensitive emotional systems and your hands which physically harm them create lesions on the brain and violence in the future as either perpetrator or victim. read alice miller and others…..
          its obvious these trolls have not done their research and are being paid to be ignorant shills.
          its fraud for anyone to claim that vaccines create immunity they do not and this has been proven as well.
          its unconstitutional and therefore prohibited to violate our god given inherent rights, which politicians do with impunity all too frequently. this is due to the apathetic ignorant people who think reading the newspaper is research or watching an ad on tv. any public servant who violates our inherent rights has committed treason, as well as those who enforce such a law. any law that is repugnant to the constitution is null, void and without effect. to those who cant get permission to not vaccinate their child, it is not necessary to get anyone’s permission to do so. study your constitution which is the supreme law of the land and then take action and remove all elected servants legally and lawfully, who have attempted to violate those rights. it is the people who have the power, not the servants of government. our government was created for one purpose; to protect the god given inherent rights of the people and fulfill the limited duties given to it in the constitution.

          vaccines do not save lives. healthy choices and improved sanitation save lives. eating whole organic food and raw milk will also keep you vibrantly healthy. breastfeeding your baby for the first several years, which our ancestors did, and other animals do, will prevent your baby from becoming ill.
          the whole idea of vaccines are for lazy uneducated people who do not want to take responsibility for their health and need someone outside of themselves to “save” them from all the unreal bogeyman out there. people who are responsible and love and respect themselves see thru the marketing scheme of this grand deception. we are taught we are powerless as children and need an authority outside of ourselves to tell us what to do. this creates as we see today a nation of humans incapable of thinking for themselves. ask yourself who benefits? all those who want authority over these people and want to benefit from taking away your rights. its big business and big money. the churches, government schools all do it. and it all starts in the home with the parent as the bully/authority.

          the research about the damage and death done by vaccines keeps growing.
          try homeopathy if your children are sick and get them off the crap food and corn syrup and additives and go to the effort of giving them real food. its alot of work, but i would rather enjoy my life and spend money on life affirming things then hurt myself and require interventions that are not normal or natural or necessary. this way i am healthy and happy and not functionally ill. .

          yes, taking away your childs self esteem which creates obesity is a problem for everyone. destroying a childs well being whether it be physical emotional mental or spiritual feeds the modern day slavery system for profit thru the incarceration and trafficking of humans. this is everyone s problem.

          nurture your child in all ways and you do not need anyone outside of you to tell you anything. then your child will grow up with the ability to think, not always be afraid of punishment, and the despots will no longer have any victim-followers. this is true autonomy and freedom.
          this is why they call it “tell a vision”. people believe anything they see and hear and dont bother using common sense or real research or observation to discover the real facts. the mainsteam media has become nothing but whores for industry.
          opt out of the public fool system. and study the real origins of”education” and the purpose behind it.
          mercola has many peer reviewed research articles if you would like more information.
          the only reason this is an issue is the drug companies want more profits. it has nothing to do with anyone’s health, except their wallets health. more people are becoming aware of how damaging vaccinations are and like most tyrants, dont like anyone to think for themselves or refuse to do what they are told. its also great distraction to “divide and conquer” the people so they continue to subjugate them. dont be a fool and be played again by this corrupt system.

          the theory behind vaccinations is archaic and incorrect. the body system is far more complicated than “cops and robbers” type theory.

          people come into this world and then they leave this world. technology is never gong to prevent this, its just going to drag out the inevitable and create more suffering. its time to go back to honest, simple way of living which honors all people and trusts in the goodness and health of ourselves and nature. disease is not natural, its a sign you are out of balance. correct the imbalance thru better lifestyle choices, remove the disease.

          dont be afraid and bullied into silence. there have been no real studies on the health of the unvaccinated natural person. and i am not talking 3rd world countries where there is no running water or proper nutrition or hygiene. these people are ill because they live in filthy conditions.

        2. The whole reason people go to the doctor and fill up their waiting room is because (wait for it) THEY ARE SICK! If you don’t want to expose your healthy self, don’t go there!

    1. Uh, you do know who generally go to see the doc right? Sick people. I’m thinking maybe you have no right being in the waiting room filling the air with your ego and ignorance.

  5. It’s terrifying how this has all snowballed into a witch-hunt. I have seen people that are usually very rational and don’t jump on the frenzies post very hateful comments towards people who choose not to vaccinate. As someone who doesn’t vaccinate my children (I do not consider myself anti-vax) I actually fear for our safety if it was ever revealed. The truly tragic thing is that I always seek to have conversations with people regarding vaccinations, I’m always hoping to learn more information and maybe someday gets some answers the questions/concerns that I have. The climate that exists now does nothing but make me not speak to anyone about it. I felt like I couldn’t get any answers to my questions before, now I feel like I’m not even allowed to ask the questions.

    1. Ask all your questions! Don’t ever be bullied to keep quiet. Just do your research and make sure what you are learning is or is not the right choice for you and your family. You are right. This whole vaccine debate has made people who ordinarily wouldn’t say anything speak out loud and clear. Some have accurate information, some do not. Some operate with the mentality of “they” said it so it must be true. Some actually do the research and have questions. By all means, research and question everything before putting a foreign substance in your body or your children’s bodies. It may be poison, it may not be poison. Research and question it.

  6. One person’s bad eating habits don’t effect another person’s health. I think making exemptions impossible to get without a medical need is the perfect balance. You have the right to decide what to put into your child’s body (within reason) and that should never be taken away from you but you don’t have the right to benefit from the herd immunity at a public school while putting the medically fragile in danger. You can vaccinate your child to help protect the weakest in our community or loose some of the privileges of being a part of a community. You get what you give. It’s your choice.

    1. They certainly do! As I mentioned above, they normalize obesity. The more you see it, the more you subconsciously believe it is ok. Obesity cost hundreds of thousands of lives each year in the USA alone! It costs multi billions of dollars for the care and management and puts a strain on the healthcare industry, overall–Decreasing access to providers for those of us who make good choices. It’s NOT FAIR!! AND YES IT EFFECTS EVERYBODY!

      1. Ask all your questions! Don’t ever be bullied to keep quiet. Just do your research and make sure what you are learning is or is not the right choice for you and your family. You are right. This whole vaccine debate has made people who ordinarily wouldn’t say anything speak out loud and clear. Some have accurate information, some do not. Some operate with the mentality of “they” said it so it must be true. Some actually do the research and have questions. By all means, research and question everything before putting a foreign substance in your body or your children’s bodies. It may be poison, it may not be poison. Research and question it.

      2. In order to mandate good eating habits, Congress will end up shutting down some pretty big businesses and a lot of money would be at stake. Some people are obese because of their genetic make up. What would you do with them? Put them in jail because they are genetically predisposed to obesity? How much of the tax payers money would you like to spend having everyones DNA tested to see who is allowed to be obese and who isn’t? Are you related to Hitler?

    2. Desiree, there are actually many medical studies that I can source of you would like that prove that the ingredients in junk food and happy meals actually compromise your immune system and make you more likely to catch viruses, the flu and the common cold, and since those illnesses are extremely more deadly than many of the illnesses you vaccinate against, you are putting my children at risk of catching the flu by feeding your kids junk food and happy meals. I’m not even saying this as analogy. This is true. I am offended that people feed their kids junk food. I am offended that people bring their sick kids out in public ALL THE TIME coughing and sneezing and even –I’ve seen- -vomiting. You and they all are putting my kids at risk! I would rather every person in America stops eating junk food, stops supporting McDonald’s so they go out of business, and stop supporting GMO’s which are destroying the earth for our children and grandchildren and so on. My kids would be MUCH SAFER AND MICH HEALTHIER IF PEOPLE STOPPED DOING THIS AND MY KIDS WOULD BE FAAAAAR LESS LIKELY TO DIE prematurely.
      The main point however is that while I feel very strongly about this and there are many scientific studies to prove the accuracy and truth of what I write… How would you like it
      If an armed guard came to your house and at gun point forced you to remove all processed food from your house?? How would you like it if you lived in an America where you could be shot for taking your kid out when sick? Or be put in jail for doing so? Or whatever. THE POINT IS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THAT MUCH POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT!! They are not infallible. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their grave at the state of America right now. Whatever your beliefs are: fine. Try to educate others. Try to persuade others. Argue. Debate. But DO NOT VOTE TO HAND OVER THAY MUCH CONTROL TO THE GOVERNMENT!! Otherwise next time it will be a right that you care about that is getting taken away.

      Ado you get it now? If not, How would you feel if the government forced you to NOT VACCINATE YOUR CHILD? that is the main point. Even while I think and believe and have lots of studies that show that vaccinations are far more dangerous than not vaccinating, I would never vote for the government to take that right away from you or any other person! It’s not the government’s role or purpose! And it is a slippery slope and it is extremely dangerous to head down that path! The more power the government has, the more it is going to snow ball and we will not live in a free America by any means. Please think wisely!!!
      Almost every person who is pro-vaccination doesn’t even know 10% of the scientific facts and studies available on the subject.

      For instance, pro-vaxxer, did you even know that the source of the outbreak of measles in New York was from a FULLY VACCINATED 20-something year old woman!!!

      Vaccination does not equal immunity!!!

      And it does not make the immunio-compromised safe! That is a fact! Ask any knowledgable doctor: the immunio-compromised are told to stay away from any one who was RECENTLY VACCINATED!!!

      And for the

      Reply – See more at: http://www.mothering.com/articles/mandatory-vaccinations/#comment-579298

  7. I think that if you want to reap the benefits of living in a society (public education,) then you should bare the responsibilities (vaccinations against diseases that could kill others.)

    1. This! Exactly! Have you signed your children up to see if they are a match for living organ donation yet? It is a selfless sacrifice for the good of society, and I feel like it should be mandatory.

      1. Hold on! So you mean to tell me that you support the government giving a surgeon the authority to forcefully cut open one of my children and remove parts of their body without my permission or the permission of the person they are cutting in to? Are you serious?! OK, I get it now…based on your comments here because you have a preemie, you want to ban SICK KIDS from the pediatricians office any time you have to be there because you feel you are entitled to a germ free environment. Not only that but because you have a preemie, everyone on the planet should be kept under quarantine if they are living in a manner in which you do not agree with, including but not limited to smoking cigarettes, eating fast food, having asthma, being overweight or obese, being unvaccinated and/or having any kind of health condition other than 100% healthy as defined by Liz. You then take your comments a step further and say that it should be MANDATORY that the government be allowed to cut people open and harvest their organs without any consent or permission for the greater good of society. I’m sorry, but the last time I checked this is America, not Nazi Germany! If you don’t like how we do things in this country, you don’t like your liberties and your freedom granted to you by the Constitution of the United States of America, then leave! Denounce your citizenship, assuming you are in fact an American citizen, pack up your belongings and move to another country. Better yet, find a deserted island where all of Liz’s ideals can be forced upon anyone who inhabits LizLand. Leave the rest of us alone!

        1. I do not need to leave. Removal of exemptions from mandatory vaccinations proves that science and the LAW are actually on MY side and paves the way for the much needed interventions I describe. It is time we as Americans give up our selfish ways! Some people obviously don’t really know whats good for them, thus the need for more and more government intervention on behalf of the minority. Why draw the line at a handful of diseases when you can cure and prevent so much more suffering?

          1. Wow. I thought the general vaccine debate was starting to get a little crazy. But after reading your comments…..you are the craziest person I’ve encountered. Does your child need a kidney? Is that why you think everyone should voluntarily give up their organs? You know what maybe I want to keep my kidneys because down the road maybe something happens and I need both kidneys. If ppl want to donate their organs great but that is absolutely not something to be forced.

    2. By the very same logic, we should then quarantine all people with ANY infectious disease that could hurt or kill others. Anyone caught out of their homes with the flu, impetigo, scarlet fever, RSV, foot and mouth, or even a bad cold, should be sanctioned for endangering the public good. People, like babies and old people, could die!! To leave the house if you are unwell is irresponsible and your benefits should be taken away.

      1. I quaranteen my family when we are sick and for any necessary time afterwards. I never know when a vulnerable person would be out there. I have a responsibility to fellow citizens.

        But still there’s a difference. I can’t stop my kids from getting rsv. I do have control over how I handle it. I do have control over whether they are vaccinated.

        And yes, I keep them away from viulnerable people after the varicella vaccine.

    3. Mandy, there are actually many medical studies that I can source of you would like that prove that the ingredients in junk food and happy meals actually compromise your immune system and make you more likely to catch viruses, the flu and the common cold, and since those illnesses are extremely more deadly than many of the illnesses you vaccinate against, you are putting my children at risk of catching the flu by feeding your kids junk food and happy meals. I’m not even saying this as analogy. This is true. I am offended that people feed their kids junk food. I am offended that people bring their sick kids out in public ALL THE TIME coughing and sneezing and even –I’ve seen- -vomiting. You and they all are putting my kids at risk! I would rather every person in America stops eating junk food, stops supporting McDonald’s so they go out of business, and stop supporting GMO’s which are destroying the earth for our children and grandchildren and so on. My kids would be MUCH SAFER AND MICH HEALTHIER IF PEOPLE STOPPED DOING THIS AND MY KIDS WOULD BE FAAAAAR LESS LIKELY TO DIE prematurely.
      The main point however is that while I feel very strongly about this and there are many scientific studies to prove the accuracy and truth of what I write… How would you like it
      If an armed guard came to your house and at gun point forced you to remove all processed food from your house?? How would you like it if you lived in an America where you could be shot for taking your kid out when sick? Or be put in jail for doing so? Or whatever. THE POINT IS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THAT MUCH POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT!! They are not infallible. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their grave at the state of America right now. Whatever your beliefs are: fine. Try to educate others. Try to persuade others. Argue. Debate. But DO NOT VOTE TO HAND OVER THAY MUCH CONTROL TO THE GOVERNMENT!! Otherwise next time it will be a right that you care about that is getting taken away.

      Ado you get it now? If not, How would you feel if the government forced you to NOT VACCINATE YOUR CHILD? that is the main point. Even while I think and believe and have lots of studies that show that vaccinations are far more dangerous than not vaccinating, I would never vote for the government to take that right away from you or any other person! It’s not the government’s role or purpose! And it is a slippery slope and it is extremely dangerous to head down that path! The more power the government has, the more it is going to snow ball and we will not live in a free America by any means. Please think wisely!!!
      Almost every person who is pro-vaccination doesn’t even know 10% of the scientific facts and studies available on the subject.

      For instance, pro-vaxxer, did you even know that the source of the outbreak of measles in New York was from a FULLY VACCINATED 20-something year old woman!!!

      Vaccination does not equal immunity!!!

      And it does not make the immunio-compromised safe! That is a fact! Ask any knowledgable doctor: the immunio-compromised are told to stay away from any one who was RECENTLY VACCINATED!!!

      And for the

      Reply – See more at: http://www.mothering.com/articles/mandatory-vaccinations/#comment-579298

  8. child is healthy dont go to the doctor. why are you exposing your child and putting them at risk by going to a place you know sick people will be? why do you need to check in and get approval from some brainwashed idiot in a white coat who knows nothing about how the body systems work, and is a sales rep for the drug companies and does what they tell them to do. do your research on vaccines. they do not grant immunity. if you study the science you will see they repress the immune system. they are also full of poisons like mercury and aluminum and a hundred other things. go ahead and look it up there are plenty more poisons. there are no studies that prove vaccines work and it is the vaccinated who carry disease and infect others. well people do not infect others.
    your whole theory about vaccines is thrashed when you say the non vaccinated are a danger to you. so much for those vaccines working. if they worked, why would you be afraid?

    when your child grows up in a healthy loving home, not a cruel authoritarian one, they will be healthy and happy. your words damage their immune systems and their sensitive emotional systems and your hands which physically harm them create lesions on the brain and violence in the future as either perpetrator or victim. read alice miller and others…..
    its obvious these trolls have not done their research and are being paid to be ignorant shills.
    its fraud for anyone to claim that vaccines create immunity they do not and this has been proven as well.
    its unconstitutional and therefore prohibited to violate our god given inherent rights, which politicians do with impunity all too frequently. this is due to the apathetic ignorant people who think reading the newspaper is research or watching an ad on tv. any public servant who violates our inherent rights has committed treason, as well as those who enforce such a law. any law that is repugnant to the constitution is null, void and without effect. to those who cant get permission to not vaccinate their child, it is not necessary to get anyone’s permission to do so. study your constitution which is the supreme law of the land and then take action and remove all elected servants legally and lawfully, who have attempted to violate those rights.

    vaccines do not save lives. healthy choices and improved sanitation save lives. eating whole organic food and raw milk will also keep you vibrantly healthy. breastfeeding your baby for the first several years, which our ancestors did will prevent your baby from becoming ill.
    the whole idea of vaccines are for lazy people who do not want to take responsibility for their health and need someone outside of themselves to “save” them from all the bogeyman out there. people who are responsible and love and respect themselves see thru the marketing scheme of this grand deception. we are taught we are powerless as children and need an authority outside of ourselves to tell us what to do. this creates as we see today a nation of humans incapable of thinking for themselves. ask yourself who benefits? all those who want authority over these people and want to benefit from taking away your rights. its big business and big money. the churches, government schools all do it. and it all starts in the home with the parent as the bully/authority.
    the research about the damage and death done by vaccines keeps growing.
    try homeopathy if your children are sick and get them off the crap food and corn syrup and additives and go to the effort of giving them real food. its alot of work, but i would rather enjoy my life and spend money on life affirming things then hurt myself and require interventions that are not normal or natural or necessary. this way i am healthy and happy and not functionally ill. .

    yes, taking away your childs self esteem which creates obesity is a problem for everyone. destroying a childs well being whether it be physical emotional mental or spiritual feeds the modern day slavery system for profit thru the incarceration and trafficking of humans. this is everyone s problem.

    nurture your child in all ways and you do not need anyone outside of you to tell you anything. then your child will grow up with the ability to think, not always be afraid of punishment, and the despots will no longer have any victim-followers.
    this is why they call it “tell a vision”. people believe anything they see and hear and dont bother using common sense or real research or observation to discover the real facts. the mainsteam media has become nothing but whores for industry.
    opt out of the public fool system. and study the real origins of”education” and the purpose behind it.
    mercola has many peer reviewed research articles if you would like more information.
    the only reason this is an issue is the drug companies want more profits. it has nothing to do with anyone’s health, except their wallets health. more people are becoming aware of how damaging vaccinations are and like most tyrants, dont like anyone to think for themselves or refuse to do what they are told. its also great distraction to “divide and conquer” the people so they continue to subjugate them. dont be a fool and be played again by this corrupt system.

    the theory behind vaccinations is archaic and incorrect. the body system is far more complicated than “cops and robbers” type theory.

    people come into this world and then they leave this world. technology is never gong to prevent this, its just going to drag out the inevitable and create more suffering. its time to go back to honest, simple way of living which honors all people and trusts in the goodness and health of ourselves and nature. disease is not natural, its a sign you are out of balance. correct the imbalance thru better lifestyle
    choices, remove the disease.
    do not be afraid and dont let anyone bully you into silence. there has been no proof or studies that vaccines are required to prevent illness. this is not true. if this were true, then vaccinated people would not get diseases, but they do.

  9. Quoting the CDC Textbook linked below..

    The year before the measels vaccine was introduced 500 people died from the disease that year. But 3-4 MILLION were infected! Yes I said 3-4 MILLION. Take a minute to do the math,
    500/3.5million = 0.000142
    That’s your odds of dying from the disease.

    They also state after widespread vaccination young mothers who never contracted “wild measels”, could not pass on strong immunity to their baby via the placenta since the vaccine did not create strong enough antibodies. This leaves young babies naturally unprotected. Which they never had been before since 90% of the population had contracted the measels by adulthood.

    Basically vaccinating against a normal childhood disease that in most cases caused no long term effects but does create lifetime immunity leaves babies unprotected!

    Nature had this figured out. Get measels, survive, pass on immunity to you young baby which lasts until they are strong enough to get the disease which will provide protection to their future children.

    I’m all for science! Technology! I’m even an engineer but seriously I’m having a really hard time with the logic here.

    Happy Reading

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html

    1. The bottom line is that vaccines WORK. The science shows that. That same CDC report ALSO says:

      “Secular Trends in the United States: Before 1963, approximately 500,000 cases and 500 DEATHS were reported ANNUALLY, with EPIDEMIC CYCLES every 2–3 years. However, the actual number of cases was estimated at 3–4 million annually. More than 50% of persons had measles by age 6, and more than 90% HAD MEASLES BY AGE 15. The highest incidence was among 5–9-year-olds, who generally accounted for more than 50% of reported cases.

      Following licensure of vaccine in 1963, the incidence of measles decreased by more than 98%, and 2–3-year EPIDEMIC CYCLES NO LONGER OCCURED. Because of this success, a 1978 Measles Elimination Program set a goal to eliminate indigenous measles by October 1, 1982 (26,871 cases were reported in 1978). The 1982 elimination goal was not met, but in 1983, only 1,497 cases were reported (0.6 cases per 100,000 population), the lowest annual total ever reported up to that time.”

      “Measles Resurgence in 1989–1991: A total of 123 measles-associated deaths were reported (death-to-case ratio of 2.2 per 1,000 cases). Forty-nine percent of deaths were among children younger than 5 years of age. 90% of FATAL CASES occurred among persons with NO HISTORY OF VACCINATION. Sixty-four deaths were reported in 1990, the largest annual number of deaths from measles since 1971.”

      “Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992. As with other complications of measles, the risk of death is higher among young children and adults. Pneumonia accounts for about 60% of deaths. The most common causes of death are pneumonia in children and acute encephalitis in adults. Since 1995, an average of 1 measles-related death per year has been reported.”

      “MMR Adverse Reactions
      Fever – 5%-15%
      Rash – 5%
      Joint symptoms – 25%
      Thrombocytopenia – <1/30,000 doses
      Parotitis – rare
      Deafness – rare
      Encephalopathy – <1/1,000,000 doses"

      NOTICE, death is NOT mentioned for the MMR vaccination, BUT it is mentioned a lot for measles, even as much as 25% in developing countries. Remember there are 1,000 of people, especially children that live in poverty, with malnutrition, and little health care, that live in THIS county.

      1. Yes, Lilith, vaccines DO work. Some of these folks don’t have any idea at all how many people suffered and died in THIS country of diseases like smallpox, polio, measles, pertussis, and even those so-called childhood diseases of chickenpox and mumps? Nor do they understand how much a person suffers and might possibly die if they contract chickenpox or mumps as an adult?

        I have to laugh at some of these comments and the claims of different ingredients in vaccines, like peanut oil. Give me a break. Don’t you think EVERY child who was vaccinated with such adulterated concoctions would suffer if in fact those ingredients were present? Most of the chemical culprits that actually were in vaccines are no longer there. And mercury? Yes, there’s a trace amount: far less than what’s in your body naturally; far less than what’s in the average can of tuna.

        I’ve been vaccinated, everyone in my family has, both of my kids. (And highly resent being called lazy and uneducated, by the way!! Everyone in my family works hard and is highly educated, thank you very much.) Are there rare individuals who are allergic to certain vaccines? Of course there are, just as there are allergies to almost anything you can imagine. And for the last time, vaccines do NOT cause autism, period, end of discussion. There was ONE doctor, in the UK, who has since recanted and had his license taken away, who published a bogus “study” claiming vaccines cause autism. Get over the autism thing. If your kid has autism, it’s not because of vaccines. It is a sad thing that the symptoms of autism generally start showing up around the time babies start getting their first vaccines. It’s a coincidence, folks.

        As for measles being “just a childhood disease”: “”Measles is not a trivial illness,” [California] state epidemiologist Dr. Gil Chavez said… “It can be very serious with devastating consequences.” Those consequences include pneumonia, encephalitis and even death. Before the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963, 500 people a year died of the disease nationwide. In the current outbreak, 25 percent of people with measles have been hospitalized.

        Your mileage may vary, but, If you choose not to vaccinate, fine, just realize you are putting YOUR CHILD and others at risk.

        1. Vaccines may work some of the time. However, there is also research that they don’t work and cause adverse reactions. This is why we need to maintain the parent’s right to choose whether their child receives the flu vaccine, Hep B, HPV, or ANY vaccine on the schedule this year or next year. It is a basic human right. Besides the CDC’s statistics for measles are worldwide, there aren’t any statistics specific to just Western countries, so it’s impossible to say exactly how horrible it could be if there was an epidemic. I just returned from two weeks in New Delhi, my third visit there. Do you know there are still open sewers? Right outside the door where I stayed actually just floating by contaminating the drinking water. When people rant over the powers of vaccines, I seriously doubt they understand third world conditions, lack of food, basic necessities such as clean water and how getting sick in those conditions, particularly in poverty is so MUCH more dangerous. I’m glad you are educated. However, you have sufficiently researched this topic if you believe there is only one study that connected vaccines with Autism. These studies show that there are some negative effects.
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  10. Fantastic article! So well written. 🙂 I considered quoting something that stood out to me, but there are many quotes that so clearly re-iterate my own feelings on this subject. THANK YOU!

  11. As an ND my mouth is trying to be gagged by my profession on this subject. I commend you for this well written article! Let Freedom Ring! Kindly Dr. Bella~

  12. Except it’s not about mandatory vaccinations at all. It’s talking about removing the personal belief exemption, not medical exemptions. If one wants to participate in the benefits of society, sometimes one has to do things for the greater good. Vaccines are one such thing most of society has agreed to do. If this passed, you’d still be free to not vaccinate your children. You just might not be able to send your kids to public school if you didn’t have a specific medical reason for doing so.

    1. First, it’s nearly impossible to get a medical exemption until there is an adverse reaction. Second, you are stating that the 1 in a million doses that cause a severe reaction per the CDC website, (1,000,000 / 69 = 14,493) or the 1 in 14,493 children (69 doses required for children under 18 in 2015 ALL of which will be required for school) are necessary collateral damage to go to public school? Even though both China and Germany have higher rates of vaccination and also have had larger outbreaks of measles? Even though the recently vaccinated pose a risk due to shedding? Even though most adults no longer have immunity? So somehow despite all of these facts we should still give up our right to decide if our child receives the flu shot? HPV vaccine? Hep B, or any shot recommended now or in the future simply to go to school? That’s just illogical. Please don’t tell me it is for the greater good because 1 in 14,493 severely injured negates that theory. Please also research the so-called good intentions of the greater good and how it was the justification given during Nazi war crimes, the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment, India’s forced sterilizations, China’s forced abortions, and Stanley Milgram’s electrocution experiments where normal people electrocuted a stranger for science.

    2. But it is a slippery slope! Don’t you see?!?! there are actually many medical studies that I can source of you would like that prove that the ingredients in junk food and happy meals actually compromise your immune system and make you more likely to catch viruses, the flu and the common cold, and since those illnesses are extremely more deadly than many of the illnesses you vaccinate against, you are putting my children at risk of catching the flu by feeding your kids junk food and happy meals. I’m not even saying this as analogy. This is true. I am offended that people feed their kids junk food. I am offended that people bring their sick kids out in public ALL THE TIME coughing and sneezing and even –I’ve seen- -vomiting. You and they all are putting my kids at risk! I would rather every person in America stops eating junk food, stops supporting McDonald’s so they go out of business, and stop supporting GMO’s which are destroying the earth for our children and grandchildren and so on. My kids would be MUCH SAFER AND MICH HEALTHIER IF PEOPLE STOPPED DOING THIS AND MY KIDS WOULD BE FAAAAAR LESS LIKELY TO DIE prematurely.
      The main point however is that while I feel very strongly about this and there are many scientific studies to prove the accuracy and truth of what I write… How would you like it
      If an armed guard came to your house and at gun point forced you to remove all processed food from your house?? How would you like it if you lived in an America where you could be shot for taking your kid out when sick? Or be put in jail for doing so? Or whatever. THE POINT IS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THAT MUCH POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT!! They are not infallible. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their grave at the state of America right now. Whatever your beliefs are: fine. Try to educate others. Try to persuade others. Argue. Debate. But DO NOT VOTE TO HAND OVER THAY MUCH CONTROL TO THE GOVERNMENT!! Otherwise next time it will be a right that you care about that is getting taken away.

      Ado you get it now? If not, How would you feel if the government forced you to NOT VACCINATE YOUR CHILD? that is the main point. Even while I think and believe and have lots of studies that show that vaccinations are far more dangerous than not vaccinating, I would never vote for the government to take that right away from you or any other person! It’s not the government’s role or purpose! And it is a slippery slope and it is extremely dangerous to head down that path! The more power the government has, the more it is going to snow ball and we will not live in a free America by any means. Please think wisely!!!
      Almost every person who is pro-vaccination doesn’t even know 10% of the scientific facts and studies available on the subject.

      For instance, pro-vaxxer, did you even know that the source of the outbreak of measles in New York was from a FULLY VACCINATED 20-something year old woman!!!

      Vaccination does not equal immunity!!!

      And it does not make the immunio-compromised safe! That is a fact! Ask any knowledgable doctor: the immunio-compromised are told to stay away from any one who was RECENTLY VACCINATED!!!

      And for the

      Reply – See more at: http://www.mothering.com/articles/mandatory-vaccinations/#comment-579298

  13. If you believe the vaccines are effective – then they will protect you from my unvaccinated child – so why worry? Unless maybe in your heart you know you have just been sold a bill of goods to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry….and maybe it won’t protect them after all? Maybe it’s all about profit and not about what’s best for the child? Maybe you weaken your child’s immune system when you start injecting poisons and live viruses into their tiny bodies…..maybe you should do the research and make your own decision instead of following “herd” mentality? My children have had some vaccinations, selectively, and when they were older and more able to handle it. A reasonable Doctor will help you decide what is right for you and your children. Think, decide, don’t just follow the sheep in front of you.

  14. Yesterday I took my one-year old to our family doctor. I had taken her a few weeks before about a persistent cough. The doctor asked me about her one-year checkup and she mentioned the Disney outbreak and asked about vaccinations (because we hadn’t done any for her and we’d stopped for our older two). I told her I’d think about it. Then yesterday when we went to see her, she told us they had a vaccine refusal form for parents who weren’t vaccinating or were delaying vaccinations for their kids. She said they had a couple of kids in their practice who had cancer or were just recovered from cancer and they had adults who had cancer and maybe HIV positive patients and they wanted to protect their patients from the risk they perceived unvaccinated kids as posing to their patients because of the shared waiting room (“what if your child got measles and passed it on in the waiting room”). I have to admit, in the end I caved. I was worn out and a bit scared of not being able to continue with their practice. I asked her all sorts of questions about vaccinations – she said nothing can prevent measles? which I should have thought was a question I needed to look up – and she agreed to see about alternatives to the MMR because I had qualms about the Rubella (not the autism thing, the aborted fetus cell line), but in the end I caved. I let my three daughters get the DTaP or whatever that one is that’s now available. I had to bribe them to get the shots. 🙁 The baby was the only who didn’t cry. The older two – well, they cried, it still hurts, and they both had elevated temperatures this morning, but not anymore. I told my husband this morning that I think we need to find another practice. I need help. Thanks.

    1. I am so sorry to hear that happened to you… Mostly because you were bullied into making a decision that you weren’t convinced was right for you or for your family. Mothering has a forum titled “I’m not vaccinating” and I think you could come and ask questions there if that feels right to you. 🙂 otherwise there is a vaccination debate forum if you want to go that route also. Again, I am sorry that it seems like you were forced to make a decision that you didn’t want to make.

  15. I don’t think I have read a more idiotic article in my entire life. I am a high school student and I can see that what you are saying is ridiculous. Firstly, why on earth would you compare vaccinations for viruses to the development of diabetes. That literally makes no sense. A child cannot catch diabetes from another child, however, a child can catch something such as the measles from another child. The vaccines are here not to protect your child from being infected, but to protect the children around them from being infected. If you check the facts and statistics regarding the amount of vaccinate people who get infected and the amount of people not vaccinated people then you would clearly see the significant difference. if you did some research on infectious diseases then you would see that in places that have vaccines required, the outbreaks are greatly reduced. This is factual, statistical data.
    Secondly, you are blowing this way out of proportion. The government isn’t out to control everything in our lives. They are simply trying to reduce the amount of outbreaks and help to make us all safer and healthier. There are many people who aren’t able to get the vaccines that they need because of allergies, age, and physical states. They don’t have the option to get the vaccine, which makes them more susceptible to the diseases. having so many people running around without vaccines could cause their health to be put in jeopardy and their lives to be put in danger.
    If you are going to argue about something like this, then please at least use evidence that makes sense. i understand that there are two sides to every argument, but as an aspiring biochemistry major, I study what these diseases do to your body and how the vaccines can help. I strongly believe in the requirement of vaccines simply because without the vaccine, you have the potential to not only get sick yourself, but to get people around you sick as well. And sickness, infection, and disease could potentially lead to deaths.
    When I get older and have children, I don’t want to be that person that has a child that the vaccine doesn’t work on and not find out until they come home sick one day because of a kid who could have gotten the vaccine and had it work. To watch my kid suffer from something that they could have easily avoided would kill me.

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