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I keep hitting a hard wall with polio and whatever information I find just gets discredited by DH. So I am trying another track.

What are the known causes for acute flaccid paralysis?

Does anyone have the stats on polio in the early 1900's and 1800's (were stats kept then?)

What is the common understanding to explain the huge increase in polio in the 1950's - worldwide (people in South Africa and Israel remember friends at school being paralyzed - I think on a scale unprecedented before).

Also, does anyone have any information on the role pasteurizing milk had in the reduction of polio?

Thanks for any links/answers
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Originally Posted by ema-adama View Post

What is the common understanding to explain the huge increase in polio in the 1950's - worldwide (people in South Africa and Israel remember friends at school being paralyzed - I think on a scale unprecedented before).


Thanks for any links/answers

I believe this is generally linked to improved hygiene, something about not being exposed to polio through feces. I started typing out an explanation but I can't remember specifically... anyway, there is a good explanation in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Virus-Vaccine-...7387326&sr=8-1.
I'd recommend that book if you're researching Polio, anyway.
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Originally Posted by ema-adama View Post
I keep hitting a hard wall with polio and whatever information I find just gets discredited by DH. So I am trying another track.

What are the known causes for acute flaccid paralysis?

Does anyone have the stats on polio in the early 1900's and 1800's (were stats kept then?)

What is the common understanding to explain the huge increase in polio in the 1950's - worldwide (people in South Africa and Israel remember friends at school being paralyzed - I think on a scale unprecedented before).

Also, does anyone have any information on the role pasteurizing milk had in the reduction of polio?

Thanks for any links/answers
Oh, you got a lot of reading and informing to do because Polio is probably the biggest medical lie ever told. And it will be repeated until it becomes the truth.

Start with Weston A. Price.

Come back and ask questions as you get informed. And keep in mind, it was all a lie. A big lie. Good luck!


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post #4 of 12
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Thank you for the responses so far.

I have to be honest and say that the more I read about polio, the less I know for certain.

To date I have read about the DDT polio connection (as well as other pesticides and chemicals that are known to affect the CNS)

I have also read about sugar impairing the immune response and there being data that areas in the US that restricted sugar in the diet saw a decrease in cases of polio.

I have read that polio was more likely in the summer months

I have read about the change in diagnostic criteria for polio resulting in a decrease in the reported numbers.

I myself am wondering what happened in the 1930 - 1940 to create a situation where acute flaccid paralysis became such a huge problem.

Linking in what I have been reading I wonder if the dramatic drop in breastfeeding, combined with a poor diet combined with all sorts of chemicals entering the food and air resulted in a host of problems.

I also read something about a nurse having a treatment that she used successfully on people in the 1950's (no idea where I read this now).

Oh, and of course, the pasteurizing of cow milk....

So, I am asking how there can be so much confusion about the disease. There seems to be conflicting ideas about what caused the dramatic increase in polio cases and there seems to be conflicting ideas about why the cases suddenly tailed off.

I respect all the mothers on this forum who have BTDT with regards to looking into the disease polio and the vaccine for polio. I was hoping for more specific answers. I am curious as to what has convinced people that polio is a lie? What about polio is a lie?

ETA. In Israel in the early 1950 immigrants who immigrated from Arabic countries were sprayed with DDT. I am now off to see if I can find a higher prevalence of acute flaccid paralysis in these populations.
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ETA. In Israel in the early 1950 immigrants who immigrated from Arabic countries were sprayed with DDT. I am now off to see if I can find a higher prevalence of acute flaccid paralysis in these populations.
I don't know anything about polio. I did find this link, and it sounded on point to what you're talking about, the prevalence of polio in new populations to Israel in 1950:

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/bulletin/19...4)_651-676.pdf

(I had no idea they sprayed new immigrants with DDT!) Prior to that time period, the disease was normally endemic throughout the population.
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Wow. Thank you so much for that article. There is a ton of info to get through and not all the tables are clear (a bit faded), especially the table looking into ethnic differences in rate of polio. But what a gem of an article.

It is so interesting that the local Arabic population was not reporting numbers anywhere near what was being seen in the immigration camps and Kibbutzim. Anyway, when DS is not requiring me every 2-3 minutes I am going to read through more thoroughly.

Yeah, it is quite hectic that immigrants were sprayed with DDT. I seem to remember there have been families that have tried to sue the government - but I am not sure if anything came out of it. I only became aware that this was an issue when I was working in a hospital in Israel and someone told me about the DDT in relation to brain tumors. Now I am going to have to look into this all a bit more closely - with time.

Again, thanks!
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post #8 of 12
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Thank you for the link to the polio archive. This was a post that had made a huge impression on me - and I could not remember where I had read it. Thanks.

There was a mum on this board who was at a Sherri Tenpenny lecture and there was a figure given of 65 000 + people with acute flaccid paralysis and only 2% of this number tested positive for polio virus. I would love to know where and when this figure comes from. It truly is fascinating.

About polio being a lie. I am guessing that not every single case of acute flaccid paralysis can be attributed to one of the three polio viruses (all three are able to cause paralysis from what I remember). I am guessing that the picture is not nearly as clear as people who lived through the 1950's were told it was and obviously not nearly as clear as the medical establishment would like us to believe. There are things that I would love to know, and maybe one day will find out. Like if Sister Kenny's treatment worked for CNS poisoning in the same way that it worked for polio affecting the CNS. (As on OT having treated people with paralysis, I am pretty sure it is a lower motor neuron lesion - unlike CP and stroke. I am wondering if this is the same for pesticide poisoning? Upper or lower motor neuron lesion. This is significant in how to treat the flaccidity or spasticity).

Also having read up a bit more about Sister Kenny, it makes sense that her approach worked so well as she kept people out of braces (something that until today, not every doctor, nurse, OT and PT necessarily do). And that many of the crippling affects could have even been attributed to the braces. I had always wondered what her treatment had been, and it is very reassuring to know how simple it is (and how familiar to me) I might never know how physical therapy would be different for CNS poisoning or polio. I have so much to read up on now, and so little time

Back to polio being a lie. There is such a thing as polio virus. It has been identified as creating paralysis. I guess the lie could be that the sheer numbers in the 1940's and 50's cannot be explained by the polio virus itself. Although I do imagine that most communities in the world were in huge disarray after WWII..... But it does stand out that it was known to be disease of the Developed World in the 40's and 50's.

My head is just spinning. What does make sense is that the OPV would work to provide immunity and that the OPV could actually be creating more problems than it solves in terms of spreading polio in communities with poor hygiene.

Anyway, that is my little summary for now. Now I am getting anxious about airplanes that I have flown on where the flight ends with the air hostess squirting something down the isles before everyone gets off and you are told "oh it's nothing, just mandatory before everyone disembarks" Not sure how I will handle this if it happens to me again.

As I talk to people I realize just how threatening it is to even question the firm belief that polio is this hugely dangerous disease that was contained thanks to vaccine and to this day we have almost successfully eliminated it from planet earth. It has the capacity to ignite hysteria in people who are not normally hysteric.

And what is with the picture of Egyptian hieroglyphs showing polio?
post #9 of 12
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And what is with the picture of Egyptian hieroglyphs showing polio?
It would be good to find the actual picture/info. I think it shows people with shrunken limbs. There are a lot of possible causes. Unless there is an actual description of an epidemic it isn't solid evidence.

I was reading a discussion of polio and the first known outbreak was in Sweden in the late 1800s.
post #10 of 12
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http://www.johnpowell.net/pages/Stele.jpg

This is the image that I see when I go into sites that speak about polio being an ancient disease. This does seem to be the only 'evidence' that is given, and like you said Deborah, that is hardly conclusive of an epidemic, or that the person who inspired the image had actually had polio. But a picture speaks a thousand words and it is assumed that polio has been around since ancient times. Assumed being the operative word. A lecturer of mine always said do not assume anything as it makes an ass out of u and me.... cheesy, but right.
post #11 of 12
An awesome read is "Polio: An American Story". It really cuts through a lot of the muck and politics surround the polio epidemics, including the attempts to silence a nurse who was curing paralysis with megadoses of vitamin c.
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Start with Weston A. Price.
Gitti, this is a very interesting article, thanks for sharing it. I however, must admit that the way I read the graphs, the graphs that are shown in the article, they show the opposite of what they suppose to show. Am I misreading them? I hope I am. But how can it be, if __________ is polio and _ _ _ _ _ is DDP then the graphs show the rase in polio and only AFTER in DDP production. Please tell me I am wrong (I really hope I am).
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