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post #21 of 72
The statistics I've seen (which I don't have at hand) all make it clear that planes have so many fewer accident per mile that there's no question that lap baby is the safer choice.

My brother, the pilot, says the reason why the FAA doesn't require carseats for babies and toddler is that they worry that the extra cost of the seat would push some families over the edge and make them drive, thus putting them at greater risk.

I'm not sure I buy that that's the real reasoning -- I suspect it has to do with airplane lobbyists and profit, but I can see why he thinks it.
post #22 of 72
Lap baby, no question.
post #23 of 72
Lap baby!!

I would drive if and only if both children were under the age of one, as my DS sleeps well in a car, and I can change diapers in the car and someone could sit in the back to feed them without stopping.

Otherwise There is NO way I would or could drive 15 to 18 hours with a toddler. I just don't have the patience.
post #24 of 72
I don't know, we just did a very long drive (2200 miles) with both kids and they were fabulous. We left at 8 pm so they could both sleep all night so we got a good 14 hours of straight driving before we stopped for breakfast and a long break. DD1 never had a problem but DD2 did get a bit bored after the 3rd day in the car.

Flying with both of the kids has never been a problem either, though.
post #25 of 72
Thread Starter 
Thanks all. Again, hopefully I can swing airfares decent enough that it's not an issue. Just a hypothetical I've been toying with.

Anyone else with thoughts is welcome to weigh in.

-Angela
post #26 of 72
Lap Baby no question. I would prefer a seat for everyone but if it isn't possible I would do a lap baby over a 15 to 18 hour car ride any day. I've dealt with a lap baby before and I'll likely end up dealing with one again once DD arrives, so as much as I prefer a seat for everyone flying is just so much easier for traveling those distances.
post #27 of 72
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
Lap baby, as much as it makes me cringe to type that.

: I can't believe I'm saying this but I gree with the lap baby thing. 16 hours in a car sounds like torture--for you and the kid!
post #28 of 72
Lap baby.

IF you are statistically more likely to be in a car accident than a plane crash/accident, then 15-18 hours in a car is exposing you and your family to more of a risk than 4 hours of air travel.
post #29 of 72
Lap baby. Also, have you tried www.kayak.com ? I have found that to be a helpful site.
post #30 of 72
No way of taking the train? It'd probably be longer than driving, but then you wouldn't have to deal with all the stopping that car travel with a LO entails.
post #31 of 72
I'd fly, but I'd do it at less crowded times and hope that we'd be able to get seats.
post #32 of 72
Lap baby.

We recently looked at the cost of train travel for my SIL to come out here. She's in Austin, TX and we're in Albuquerque, NM. It was going to cost $351 one way for a train ticket that would take her through Illinois or to go to Los Angeles and then back to Albuquerque. The plane ticket was $250 one way. Sometimes it can be cheaper to travel by train, but it really depends on where you are located and where you are going.
post #33 of 72
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
No way of taking the train? It'd probably be longer than driving, but then you wouldn't have to deal with all the stopping that car travel with a LO entails.


No, you can't get anywhere on a train from here.

-Angela
post #34 of 72
Thread Starter 
Thing is we're heading for Ames, IA... Fly into Des Moines. Not a lot of choices. And with the big tournament going in, there are no empty flights. It's very difficult to even get a direct flight, we'll probably be changing planes somewhere. Sigh.

But mostly, it's expensive.

-Angela
post #35 of 72
I actually do the "lap baby" thing also, but wanted to add that when you look at safety of air vs. car travel it is a little misleading to just look at accident rates.

Turbulance can be a huge issue, and it can get rough enough that you could lose your grip on a lap baby, if you haven't purchased a lap seat harness.

Two of my friends are flight attendants and both think I am horrible to fly with a lap baby--they have seen too much to be comfortable doing so themselves.
post #36 of 72
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sarafi View Post
I actually do the "lap baby" thing also, but wanted to add that when you look at safety of air vs. car travel it is a little misleading to just look at accident rates.

Turbulance can be a huge issue, and it can get rough enough that you could lose your grip on a lap baby, if you haven't purchased a lap seat harness.

Two of my friends are flight attendants and both think I am horrible to fly with a lap baby--they have seen too much to be comfortable doing so themselves.
I know that turbulence is the real issue on a plane. Unfortunately the FAA hasn't approved any harnesses for use in the US (at altitude you can, but then a sling or carrier could work as well...)

-Angela
post #37 of 72
Lap baby! (or would he be able to get a sky-cot?)

Just a thought though - if you didn't buy a seat for him would it not be likely that there would be a seat free for him when you check in? I flew quite a lot with my ds when he was under 2 and only once did he not get a seat of his own. IME they only fill up the seats next to kids if the absoloutley have to!
post #38 of 72
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by roxyrox View Post
Lap baby! (or would he be able to get a sky-cot?)

Just a thought though - if you didn't buy a seat for him would it not be likely that there would be a seat free for him when you check in? I flew quite a lot with my ds when he was under 2 and only once did he not get a seat of his own. IME they only fill up the seats next to kids if the absoloutley have to!
They don't have sky cots on domestic flights in the US.

There will be no free seats. All the flights will be full to overbooked.

-Angela
post #39 of 72
I'm a former Flight Attendand and I just wanted to clear up two misconceptions.

I know that turbulence is the real issue on a plane. Unfortunately the FAA hasn't approved any harnesses for use in the US

...and they never will because it's super-dangerous to have a baby attached to you for take-off and landing. If you don't believe me, look at this video, which I will admit is a bit more informative if you understand German, but there is a dramatic demo so keep watching;

http://www.sf.tv/sf1/kassensturz/man...0080520-gurten

They don't have sky cots on domestic flights in the US.

Not true. There are a very few, few and far between... but they're out there on specific airlines and aircraft.

For the record, I did have to make this choice more than once, for a variety of reasons. Foreign airlines that didn't allow my U.S. car seat (and I was forced to check it-boo!) One Irish airline doesn't allow car seat at all. Twice, we simply booked too late and I could get a seat but my ds couldn't. Twice, we flew charter companies that were package bookings and additional seats weren't possible (foreign airline anyway). I could have taken the train a few of those times but it would have been loooooong. We recently got a high-speed train and I haven't looked back since.

We book a seat and bring the car seat, when it's allowed and possible but I have flown with a lap baby when we didn't have any options.

Air travel is safe. Lap babies are not protected in an emergency but there is little chance of that happening. It doesn't bother me as long as it's an informed decision, which it is, I believe, for the OP and the majority (all?) of you.

Sharon
F/A 13 years, 2 companies
3 breastfed bilingual, dual national babies

http://flyingwithchildren.blogspot.com
post #40 of 72
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info! I do understand the physics issues with a baby strapped to you. Interesting to hear that there are sky cots on some domestic flights! I suspect that even if it were an option, ds would be too big. He's 22lbs now at nearly 6 months and the trip will be in May.

-Angela
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