Tongue Tie Question - Page 3

[WuWei]

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[WuWei]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

I will post an update after we see her!

I would strongly recommend Arnica Montana 30c or 200c before and after the clipping to decrease bleeding, swelling, discomfort and increase soft tissue repair. It is homeopathic.

Pat

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by WuWei

I would strongly recommend Arnica Montana 30c or 200c before and after the clipping to decrease bleeding, swelling, discomfort and increase soft tissue repair. It is homeopathic.

Pat

Thanks- I will definitely pick some up. Although I'm nervous about using a lactose base homeopathic with an IgE (& IgG) dairy allergy. DD reacts to even ghee, so it's more than just the casein proteins that trigger her. But I think that ff said the Boiron's are 80% sucrose and only 20% lactose (did I get that right?) so maybe I will try that one.

[Panserbjorne]

I would actually suggest looking at aconite 30C and rescue remedy. Aconite will address the tissue trauma as well as the shock of the procedure. It seems to yield better results than arnica...which makes sense since it does address the shock of the assault (as the child perceives it.)

Basically anything that has a sudden onset, think aconite first.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by firefaery

I would actually suggest looking at aconite 30C and rescue remedy. Aconite will address the tissue trauma as well as the shock of the procedure. It seems to yield better results than arnica...which makes sense since it does address the shock of the assault (as the child perceives it.)

Basically anything that has a sudden onset, think aconite first.

Awesome- thank you!!

[nalo]

I can't wait to hear how it goes!!!

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by firefaery

I would actually suggest looking at aconite 30C and rescue remedy.

I was just looking at these online before I go to the store, and had a couple questions.

Is aconite the same as aconitum napellus? I found that in the Boiron list.

I've looked at the Rescue Remedy before, but never bought it because I wasn't sure about possible allergens. Does anyone know if there are any allergenic ingredients? Their website gives like NO information... maybe I will call them tomorrow.

[waluso]

I have an appt with the ENT DD's pediatrician referred me to on 12/19 (that's the earliest they could see us). I talked to DD's pediatrician about it again and she thinks the dr will likely not want to do anything about it because it's so minor. If that's the case, should I push to have it clipped? What questions should I ask to make sure we get the right result? I am particularly concerned that DD's palate is so high. Will that cause long term issues if we don't get it clipped?

[nalo]

When we see a specialist I plan to follow her recommendations regarding the need to clip a toddler or not, given that DD's is minor as well. However, I know the reputation of the person we will see and I have confidence I will get sage advice. My thinking may be different if I were going to see a totally random person.
Simply clipping the tongue is not going to do much for the palate at this point. IMO you really need to be getting cranio sacral done with your LO to address this. A very high palate that gets no treatment to help spread a bit can lead to dental and other problems. Continued BFing is a great thing to help with palate issues but using CST will really help the most, over time.

ETA: I misread your LO's b-day and was thinking she was born in 2007 not 2008. I do think there is greater possibility for a clip to help with palate issues in a babe this age (although I can't back that up with actual data ;-) )

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by DoulaMary

Simply clipping the tongue is not going to do much for the palate at this point. IMO you really need to be getting cranio sacral done with your LO to address this. A very high palate that gets no treatment to help spread a bit can lead to dental and other problems. Continued BFing is a great thing to help with palate issues but using CST will really help the most, over time.

But I'd vote that it's easier to clip the younger the kiddo is (just finding someone to do it, I mean) and maybe the palate changes over time, maybe not, but you can do cranial-sacral later and if the clip's already done, then that's one less thing to fight against.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

I was just looking at these online before I go to the store, and had a couple questions.

Is aconite the same as aconitum napellus? I found that in the Boiron list.

I've looked at the Rescue Remedy before, but never bought it because I wasn't sure about possible allergens. Does anyone know if there are any allergenic ingredients? Their website gives like NO information... maybe I will call them tomorrow.

yup, that's it. I love homeopathy and I ALWAYS have that on hand. You have no idea how useful it is!

The only physical thing in the Rescue Remedy is brandy. I have never seen anyone have a reaction to it. You can use it topically as effectively as you can orally, FWIW. I like to rub it along hte sutures and around the fontanelles on babies. Soles of the feet and around the umbilicus are also great places.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

But I'd vote that it's easier to clip the younger the kiddo is (just finding someone to do it, I mean) and maybe the palate changes over time, maybe not, but you can do cranial-sacral later and if the clip's already done, then that's one less thing to fight against.

Always better to do it earlier, but I will say I'm not aware of a whole lot of cases that would resolve without CST. Even by day 5 there is significant compensatory behavior. I would always include CST alongside the clipping no matter what age.

[changingseasons]

firefaery - One more last minute question. (Our appointment is tomorrow, and I have no idea if it will just be a consultation, or if there's a chance she will be clipping.) I got the aconite and Rescue Remedy today, so I will be sure to bring them with us tomorrow.

Should I do them before the procedure, or after, or both? And what kind of dose for a 14mo?

Thanks for all your help!!!

[WuWei]

If ff doesn't answer, I'd do the RR before, and the aconite afterwards. But, I've never used aconite.


Pat

[nalo]

Totally not the expert here but I think I'd do anything that needs to be taken orally before the procedure because if you have a screaming mess of a baby on your hands after it, it's going to be very hard to get her to swallow anything like that I bet. But if you're using RR topically only (or in addition) I might do that right after the procedure.

[changingseasons]

Yeah, I'm just going to do the rr topically, because the alcohol makes me a little nervous (not because it's alcohol, because it's probably corn based alcohol or something that might make DD react if ingested.)

ETA: That's a good point- might be hard to stick something under her tongue if someone's just taken a pair of scissors to it!!

[Panserbjorne]

ditto to what Pat said. It only takes one pellet and it works on contact. There is no need to make sure it dissolves in her mouth. It can be used every half hour, though most babies don't require a second dose. Best of luck! Make sure you talk through it. This may sound crazy but i'm willing to risk it. While your little one is asleep tonight let her know what's going to happen tomorrow and that she will be perfectly safe. Remind her tomorrow.

Don't forget to use the RR and aconite for yourself. I keep thinking that moms should have either argentum or gelsemium for anticipatory anxiety. It may be tense, but it's fast. If you need the RR be sure to use it. IF baby reacts at all to your stress that's a perfect time to use it.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by firefaery

ditto to what Pat said. It only takes one pellet and it works on contact. There is no need to make sure it dissolves in her mouth. It can be used every half hour, though most babies don't require a second dose. Best of luck! Make sure you talk through it. This may sound crazy but i'm willing to risk it. While your little one is asleep tonight let her know what's going to happen tomorrow and that she will be perfectly safe. Remind her tomorrow.

Don't forget to use the RR and aconite for yourself. I keep thinking that moms should have either argentum or gelsemium for anticipatory anxiety. It may be tense, but it's fast. If you need the RR be sure to use it. IF baby reacts at all to your stress that's a perfect time to use it.

What would I do without you? I wouldn't have even thought of taking it myself, but that makes perfect sense. And talking through it with DD is a great idea too. Of course, I don't know if anything will even happen tomorrow, but it would be good to have both of us prepared in case it does.

Another question.... we're currently doing CST once a week, and we really can't afford to do any more. We've already used up our insurance benefits for the year (a whopping $250 so we're paying out of pocket until January. If we do the clipping, how often would you suggest going, and how important is that (the increased frequency)?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Yeah, I'm just going to do the rr topically, because the alcohol makes me a little nervous (not because it's alcohol, because it's probably corn based alcohol or something that might make DD react if ingested.)

ETA: That's a good point- might be hard to stick something under her tongue if someone's just taken a pair of scissors to it!!

It's brandy-no corn that *I* know of. Works just as well topically though.

The remedy is easy...you just tip a pellet in while she's screaming with indignation that she was just restrained. and yes...I speak from experience.

Every baby I have known that was clipped is done screaming within a minute or two and nursing away. The worst part by far is the restraint. Some experience tenderness later-but the ones that report it (that I asked) didn't use homeopathy. It really makes a difference.

[Panserbjorne]

I am of the opinion (and it's only my opinion based on what I've observed) that it's vitally important to get in ASAP following the clipping....as in if you don't do it tomorrow and schedule it for 9 am Friday, book the CST for noon. I would also say it's better to go 6 times in two weeks than 6 times in a month FWIW. It's tough to re-learn things and the more help the better. If you can even up it to twice a week for two weeks that would be big IMHO. The more reminders she gets early on the better.