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post #21 of 33
Have you tried telling you that you've decided to go to public health for any future shots(and then not actually go to public health)? Here the dr's don't do shots, they're all done at public health. My dr doesn't discuss vaccines with us.
post #22 of 33
You mentioned a couple of times in your post that the dr. had totally different parenting philosophies. That right there, would be enough for me. I totally believe in being on the same page with your physician, as much as possible of course.
I understand how hard it is to find a good dr. BUT keep trying. For your childs sake. Don't even bother with the wbv. They're a waste of time and they were designed to "sell" vaxes! Dr's should be used for the purpose of helping the sick and injured.
post #23 of 33
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Originally Posted by SinginMamaTo2 View Post
You mentioned a couple of times in your post that the dr. had totally different parenting philosophies. That right there, would be enough for me. I totally believe in being on the same page with your physician, as much as possible of course.
I understand how hard it is to find a good dr. BUT keep trying. For your childs sake. Don't even bother with the wbv. They're a waste of time and they were designed to "sell" vaxes! Dr's should be used for the purpose of helping the sick and injured.
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post #24 of 33
You may want to take a look at this thread http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=825816
post #25 of 33
First, I'm new here. Hi, everyone.

Our pediatrician 'recommended' vaccination. When I said no, not only did he make me sign the 'bad mommy' form, but he told me to find a new doctor. He said I was ignoring his recommendation. I told him I was simply disagreeing with it. He told me I was ill-informed by monetary sources. Right, cause I'm the one getting paid in this situation? I grinned and bore it as he gave his little performance painting me as the evil mother to my husband who he knew didn't agree with me.

IMO, if your baby is happy, healthy, and hitting milestones on time, then you don't need to worry. We do get our DD weighed at WIC though I don't accept digital values as exactly correct, but it at least shows she's gaining at a steady pace. I don't see that there's any need for a WBV even but we do plan to see a ND soon for my husband's peace of mind.
post #26 of 33
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Originally Posted by grahamsmom98 View Post
Should he receive another of the vaccines he got at 7 months, we would probably lose him permanently. See, subsequent reactions are always worse. There is no way to test him as to which caused it. It was probably the pertussis component of the DTP, as that is the worst in the bunch.
This is what my doc told my mom after I had the same reaction to DTP as your son when I was a baby.(1980 in Sask., Canada) In fact I turned blue and quite breathing several times in the months after that one shot. The doctor also gave my brother a medical exemption after he was born because he said reactions run in families.

I have found this article very interesting and insightful regarding anaphylaxsis.
post #27 of 33
I wouldn't let that doctor near my children EVER! Or near myself for that matter!

Go to "Finding your Tribe" and do a search for a better doc in your area.

Opting out of vaxes in Canada is easy. Just don't do it...
post #28 of 33
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Originally Posted by suprgrl View Post
This is what my doc told my mom after I had the same reaction to DTP as your son when I was a baby.(1980 in Sask., Canada) In fact I turned blue and quite breathing several times in the months after that one shot. The doctor also gave my brother a medical exemption after he was born because he said reactions run in families.

I have found this article very interesting and insightful regarding anaphylaxsis.
Wish I had your Doctor First amount of truth from a doctors mouth concerning vax... that I have heard in a long time. You are very lucky
post #29 of 33
Honestly momma, your 'doctor' isn't your friend. She isn't there to be your 'buddy' because if you want a buddy let one of us be your friend. I would gladly be your friend. Your doctor is a professional (supposed to be anyway) that works WITH you and FOR you. Sure, they don't always give you what you want or need, but it's their job to ADVISE you on what they think is best, what the risks and benefits are and let you make your INFORMED CONSENT.

You have a beautiful (i'm sure) child that reacted BADLY to a vax. You have decided to NOT vax at this time. Fill out your 'exemption' and hand it to the nurse the next time you see your lovely doctor. If she askes just say "We have decided not to vaccinate, and under the law it's our decision and DH and I are firm on this decision. We don't want to debate or discuss our decision, it's our right." and change the subject. I understand not wanting to be confrontational, however there is a time when one must stand up and be STRONG for our babies- no matter how scary it is.

I also understand how hard it is to find a doctor in a rural setting, as where I grew up there was 2 doctors for the whole town. The closest pediatrician was 72miles away- and they were all HORRIBLE. MEAN, VAX & CIRC happy and pushy isn't the right word. Plus- they were certified ear piercers- and asked every parent of girls at EVERY visit if they wanted HER ears pierced. OY!
I understand, but your child's health is more important than pleasing your family doc. Your child's health is more important than having to find a new doc.

Also- don't debate vax with family. It just gets uglier and uglier. Don't debate at all. If you have done your homework, you have made an educated decision for your family. You don't have to convince ANYONE, and you don't need to 'teach' them anything either because honestly they aren't going to listen anyway.

Please keep us posted as to how this unfolds- You really, REALLY aren't alone in this situation. Many mom's have a hard time standing their ground, and many are lurking to see 'how she did it' HUGS!
post #30 of 33
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Hi everyone, I haven't gotten a chance to reply yet but my little guy seems happy to play with the dog for a moment so here goes!
I really wish I could go back and quote everything you have said that has given me pause to really think about how serious our situation is, and how I need to stand up for my babe, but I'd be quoting pretty much the entire thread. There is so much wisdom, insight and suport here, I am amazed. I've posted our story on another site in the past, and the response was so much different and never ever left me feeling like this... I finally feel confident that we're doing the right thing!
A few days ago, I went through your posts and felt this awesome surge of support, and I decided to take action. I called a friend of mine who referred me to a local mom and Reiki healer who didn't vax. I emailed this nice lady, who referred me to a doctor in the next town. As soon as I had the number I was on the phone. She turned out to be a chiropractor who had spoken for years on the dangers of vaccines, before she was threatened with the loss of her licence by the government. We had an amazing discussion that brought me to tears at some points because I was so relieved to finally talk to a REAL PERSON who didn't blow me off, who didn't question my ideas, and who could give me further sources of information. She has also given me the names of some local homeopathic doctors, one of whom has children herself and "really trusts mother's intuition"!! I'm so excited about this!!
As for my approach with our family doc, I really feel like it's time to speak my truth with her. Neither of us get much out of the visits, and if I'm not willing to speak up then why have a doctor? So I can arrange a visit, get all the way there, be told something I know I can't/won't do, and then leave no further ahead than before we went? That's not fair for either of us, or my son, so I'm planning on calling her on Monday and telling her receptionist not to worry about making the specialist appointment, and if the doctor wants to talk about it, she can give me a call. Then, I'm calling one of the new doctors I've been referred to, and seeing if I can learn more about boosting my baby's immune system naturally. Although I'll no doubt still worry about him picking something nasty up, it will strengthen him in a way that poses much less danger than vaccination and will assuage our fears somewhat. Perhaps I'll investigate local pediatricians and see if I can find someone with an attitude that better fits our own. I'll probably stay on with this doctor, because I do find her very helpful in terms of my own healthcare, just not so much with my son.
I also want to say how deeply sorry I am for those of you who have also seen awful vax reactions in your children. I know how terrifying it is, and the awful, empty helplessness and guilt you feel. I can't imagine the terror of having your baby lose conciousness or suffer anaphylaxis so suddenly, in front of your own eyes. I'm so sorry for those that have had to go through that, thank you for sharing your stories with me.
And thank you to everyone else as well, I have gotten so much from your support and wisdom. I don't feel like I can thank you enough for that It's so, soooo appreciated!
Love and light,
Bekah
post #31 of 33
: Bekah, what an empowering experience. I just needed to send a virtual after reading your very touching post. The ladies here are indeed wonderful, knowledgeable and supportive. I am so glad you found MDC.
post #32 of 33
I would not waste any effort in convincing this doctor of anything. Don't worry about it or give it another thought.

All she needs to know is that you are saying no. If she asks for a reason tell her "this is my child and my mother's instinct and my decision. We are not doing this.

If she refuses to have you continue as a patient, or harasses you, find another doctor. There are quite a few places online to look for one.

You are in charge !
post #33 of 33

Why do you care

Why do you care what the doctor thinks? This is YOUR child, and you are your child's ONLY advocate. The doctor is there to make money. don't be naive. You shouldn't care about 'offending' her, because all she cares about is if you're going to make a good customer, because if it weren't for the vaccinations, a "pediatrician's" job is pretty moot.
I agree with you about not making waves, some doctors are particularly overzealous and guarded about their daft career choice and will report you to the authorities if you piss them off.
Luckily, pumping your baby full of mercury and formaldihyde and cancer viruses via vaccination isn't mandatory, isn't the law, and isn't required by any stretch of the imagination.
Your baby WILL NOT get sick with one of these ridiculous so called "childhood diseases" as they like to call them, and the fact is, if they DID, which is against ALL odds, the chances that it would clear up with a bit of medical attention is very great.
The fact is, the vaccinations have become far more harmful than the unlikely risk of getting the actual affliction because the vaccines, if theoretically on schedule, are certain, do carry risks (including death --read the package insert), and are poison. As far as I'm concerned, they are a vast gov't program for a far reaching chemical lobotomy of the populous.
Is it any wonder whatsoever that neurological and immunity conditions have skyrocketed since their implementation thirty years ago?
Our parents didn't need them, their parents didn't need them, you didn't need them and neither do you kids.
It's a big fat scam they think the life of the child is a joke, but guess what?
If something goes wrong and your baby becomes braindamaged (autistic), who's the joke really on? YOU-- Because it's YOU who have to nurse a handicap child for the rest of your life.
So, um, yeh, I think I'd rather risk the odd against odds that my 3 month old will get the sexually transmitted disease Hep B than be a lifetime nurse to a mentally handicap adult child.
And that's what it REALLY comes down to.
The only time you have to worry is when they go to school. If you have to, just get the required amount to get them into school, which is only a few shots, less shots means less risk and the older the kid is, the less risk.
Do right by your kid and arm yourself with knowledge so that if it does come up, you don't feel intimidated by the peer pressure flesh sheep non thinking full grown babies that currently populate our western countries.

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Can you switch docs or just go "when" you need to and forgo the
well baby visits?
We dont' even do well baby visits. I feel like it's a waste of time and money.
I can weigh and measure her here and we don't vax...so what's the point?
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