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Hey! Welcome to December, mamas!!
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thanks for starting this! happy december!!! we're still celebrating a few labor and birth days, eh?
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OMG, I am so excited about meeting Gunter and barcelona (and families) tomorrow! I'll be sure to take my camera and document our little DDC reunion! I'm picking the kids up from school and then heading down there, I don't think my DH will be able to come. His loss!

My kids have actually been playing together nicely all afternoon - its absolutely shocking! Right now they're playing on Ellie's bunk beds. Listening in, it seems that Killian keeps having to save Ellie's babies from terrible fates.
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we're still celebrating a few labor and birth days, eh?
Yep - we're up next! Considering my labor was like 30 hours, I think it's officially my labor day today (and tomorrow!).

QoC and Gunter, have so much fun with Hillary! I'm so hating that I can't be there with y'all!
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I'm so envious of your meet-up, guys! I wish I could do a round-the-world tour meeting MDC mamas everywhere.

We had a bit of an off-day... I think Rowan didn't get enough sleep last night. She turned super-cranky at about noon. But we had a nice morning, putting our holiday lights up and then going to the park and poaching some holly. (I don't feel the least bit bad about that, it's an invasive weed here, but it does look pretty in wreaths. And it's better than stealing from the neighbours. Right?)

Happy labour day, Amy!

Does anyone know if a dr. can remove an iud if you've got your period? :
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I know most doctors prefer to insert them while you have your period because the cervix is slightly dilated. I wouldn't think it would be a problem to remove one during your period... I keep considering getting an IUD because I hate having to remember to take my pill every day (and Nuvaring is $40 more per month than the pill, and I hate charting because I don't like to abstain on the days my sex-drive is through the roof so I spend 10 days of the month really bitchy, and DH won't use condoms). But, I can't get past the ick-factor of knowing there would be a foreign object inside my body. (shudder) Plus, I'm a little conflicted about the possibility that I could still ovulate and that eggs would be fertilized but not able to implant... I'd want to go for the copper if I did, since its good for 10 years and hormone free. But then there's also the fact that I have endometriosis and I wonder if it would just make it worse. Any words of wisdom or advice?
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But, I can't get past the ick-factor of knowing there would be a foreign object inside my body. (shudder) Plus, I'm a little conflicted about the possibility that I could still ovulate and that eggs would be fertilized but not able to implant... I'd want to go for the copper if I did, since its good for 10 years and hormone free. But then there's also the fact that I have endometriosis and I wonder if it would just make it worse. Any words of wisdom or advice?
Often copper IUDs cause heavier bleeding. Helen has one, I think? I've been considering one for post-baby, since I would really like to avoid hormonal birth control, and don't really like my diaphragm. I made an OB that I used to work with explain to me how I could remove it myself in a post-apocalyptic world where I needed to re-populate the planet, and it went a long way in helping me deal with the anxiety of having something in my body. I guess it wasn't the foreign object issue as much as the control issue of not being in control of being able to take it out myself. He already thought I was a little crazy, and that conversation certainly didn't help the matter.

QofC, what about Depo-Provera? Or a vasectomy? Personally, I think all of the options kind of suck. My husband is considering a vasectomy after this baby, but he wavers on it.

spughy, stealing holly is a public service. I've spent weekends volunteering trying to get invasive holly out of forests.
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Gunter, Barcelona, and QoC, I will be thinking of y'all with envy and a great deal of : tomorrow! Hillary, break a leg!

Sarah, sleeplessness at night or fighting a much-needed nap during the day are key ingredients in the meltdown recipe around here, too. And in reading of your thievery , I had a moment. We have holly all over the place here, and I have never once thought of it to decorate with, despite the fact that the leaves stay green forever! Thanks for the idea.

We're doing a unit on the Greeks and Romans in my class right now, and today each student chose one Olympic god or goddess to study in detail to kick off the theme. Afterward, I asked them to share what attracted them to their particular choices, and it was so interesting to hear their reasoning--a lot of the boys were attracted to the power of Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon, and several of the girls wanted to study the goddess of love and beauty, Aphrodite. I keep thinking--our babies are THREE, y'all! A hop, skip and a jump from this fragile and beautiful and challenging stage called adolescence! (And I know I post about this all the time, but it's just so much of my life... ) Over the past several months, Joshua and I have had the conversation many times over about our toddler-turned-little boy, and how we never knew how marked and poignant the passage of time could be until we had a child to whirl through it.
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I keep considering getting an IUD because I hate having to remember to take my pill every day. Any words of wisdom or advice?
I really found my IUD to be a good option for us. I had a Mirena and it made life SOOO much easier than taking the pill - I'll never go back to that again! After this baby, I will most likely get another IUD; Mirenas last for 5 years. At that point, I'll probably be pre-menopausal anyway! When I got mine taken out, it was like so incredibly simple, I honestly could have done it myself. But if you have the ick factor, and the ethical/fertilization issue, that's a little harder. I'd really love for Jason to get a vasectomy after this babe, but he won't even consider it. Hmph!! :

Oh and Spughy, I don't see any reason why they couldn't take it out while you're having your period. Just messy for them, but otherwise it shouldn't have anything to do with it.

So, random baby name question for y'all - how popular is the name Owen? We both really like it, but it seems on the cusp of trendy. Social Security ranks it around #60 - so, known, but not annoyingly popular. I actually don't know any kids named Owen, so I guess that's a good sign. Amongst your kids' friends, do you know many boys named Owen? (I just posted a poll over in the April DDC if you want to vote!)

PS: Mel and DiD, do you already have baby names picked out? I don't remember you mentioning.
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Often copper IUDs cause heavier bleeding. Helen has one, I think? I've been considering one for post-baby, since I would really like to avoid hormonal birth control, and don't really like my diaphragm.
I have a copper IUD and haven't noticed heavier bleeding, although I do get cramps after sex. Not debilitating cramps, just annoying. I can't do hormones at all so it was pretty much the only real option.

Thanks for the info about removal during periods - I'm just glad I won't have to make another appointment!

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spughy, stealing holly is a public service. I've spent weekends volunteering trying to get invasive holly out of forests.
Weeellllll there's removing invasive holly and then there's pruning the good bits off (volunteer) trees in Beacon Hill Park. The wild bit of it, but still...

Amy, I like Owen. I know one kid called Owen, he's Rowan's age - that's it. (There are 2 other kids called Rowan who go to our playgroup...) Owen is not common around here.
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Oh, DH will get a vasectomy when we're absolutely sure we're done. But, he's 30 and I'm 29 and we'd always planned on having 4 or 5 kids... We're pretty sure we're done now, though, but not totally positive, you know? And I have no interest in Depo because of all the weight gain horror stories I've heard about it and my body issues. See, logically I know I'm a perfect candidate for an IUD - but I just can't get comfortable with it.
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I just happened to see this thread and wondered what it was! It didn't even occur to me that it was DECEMBER and we have a new thread!

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I'm so envious of your meet-up, guys! I wish I could do a round-the-world tour meeting MDC mamas everywhere.
: that would be so awesome! A round the world MDC meet- up tour! Have a great time together, QoC, Gunter, and Barcelona! I want to see pics!!!!

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Personally, I think all of the options kind of suck. My husband is considering a vasectomy after this baby, but he wavers on it.
Yeah, I can't stand any of the options, either. Now that I have been monitoring my cycle for a few yrs I could never go back to hormonal bc. And I can't get past the idea of any type of foriegn body inside me! There seems to be no real ideal long term solution except vasectomy.

Thanks so much ladies for your support re: my Thanksgiving woes! Teresa, I esp. think you articulated it just right (as you always seem to do!) Hopefully next year when the kids are older and with more advance planning we can make it into more of a public-service occasion than focusing on the meal that only I care about.
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PS: Mel and DiD, do you already have baby names picked out? I don't remember you mentioning.
Our newest son will be named Lucius Kincaid.
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That's sweet.

OK on the IUD, I don't think I've shared my woes. It went in as emergency contraception, and the period that happened 5 days later was pretty normal, but a bit crampy. The one that happened after that, however, was a bloodbath. It didn't hurt, but there was blood everywhere, filling my mooncup every 45 minutes for the first day and a half and leaking and it was just generally horrific. The second full cycle after insertion, I figured out something was going on and put myself on iron supplements beforehand, as I was having anaemia symptoms, and I was down to only losing 15ml every hour and a half, and only for 12 hours or so. I ovulated a few days ago, so I'm waiting with baited breath to see what happens this time: I've been advised that it can take three full cycles for things to calm down post-insertion, so I'm probably going to give it one more month before I give up and have it taken out. I really, really want this to work for me: I loved everything about Mirena apart from the fact that it dried me out so much that DH and I were getting friction burns even WITH lube, I hate condoms and I'm sensitive to spermicides, Rowan was a diaphraghm baby and Alex was a condom/pill baby, and synthetic progesterone makes my depression unmanageable. Basically if the IUD makes my periods this heavy, I'm worried that sterilisation will do the same thing, which only really leaves the option of the big V or abstinence Any thoughts?

Queen of Cups, why don't you try a diaphraghm?

Amy, I've known a few Owens and generally, they've all been nice kids. Can I throw Llew/Lleu and Llewellyn out for your consideration, though, if you're thinking Welsh?

Spughy, I always feel guilty about stealing holly from parks. I'm lifting mine from the woods at the bottom of the field. I got short-changed on sloes this year, so I figure it's justified.
Oh, did I mention that I got an allotment? Lots of fun hours spent breaking my back digging over the plot. We're going to build some raised beds, I think, to cut down on the digging next year.
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Diaphragms are much less effective after vaginal births, the effectiveness rate drops to about 70%. I am incredibly fertile (got pregnant both times within 20 days of starting TTC), there's no way I could enjoy myself with those stats!
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Basically if the IUD makes my periods this heavy, I'm worried that sterilisation will do the same thing,
Helen, how long has it been now? I think in most cases, with the Mirena, periods tend to get lighter and then can even go away completely, but that can take 6-12 months. Mine got *very* light within about 4 months, I think.

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Amy, I've known a few Owens and generally, they've all been nice kids. Can I throw Llew/Lleu and Llewellyn out for your consideration, though, if you're thinking Welsh?
It's funny - we didn't mean to go Welsh specifically, but I was thinking last night during one of my bouts of insomnia that it is kind of cool that Brynn and Owen are both Welsh. I think we've narrowed it down to either Nolen, Owen, or Nathan at this point; my strong preference is Owen, especially considering it was the first name that organically came to me during this pregnancy (this baby felt like Owen!). At that time, I just ruled it out because I thought it was becoming too popular, but now I'm not seeing that so much. Since Jason also likes it, I think it will be easy for us to both agree on it.

Speaking of insomnia, I got about 4 broken hours of sleep last night. I am dead this morning. It's so frustrating!!

DiD - I love the name you've chosen! It's very sophisticated.
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i am so friggin excited to meet barcelona and queen of cups today! DH is coming with us and we may see his mom as she lives in the next town over. I am still not over her yelling/being manipulative with ez recently. ugh. but i think she may hang with them while i am at barcelona's play. which, i am super stoked about seeing!

spughy- i have heard that IUDs are really easy to remove. i bet you could remove it yourself, even.

amy- i like owen for your kid.

helen- sorry to hear about such heavy periods. what about NFP for you?

DID- i really like that name! we know a lucian and he is precious.

awaken- next year, seriously come join us! that way, we'll have awesome food, fun for the kids and it can be part of our DDC round the world meet up!

you holly thieves are making me laugh. i want to drag the trees from the woods around my house just to use as firewood but i have never actually done it. everytime i see a fallen tree, i wonder if i could get it in the jeep for firewood.

i am going to take a shower, pack some dipes and snacks then walk with my neighbor in the cold with our kids for a short while before leaving. what a fun day!
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Gunter, NFP is what led to me having the coil put in. We were gambling on withdrawal and DH forgot : PLUS I hate condoms. I ended up taking the morning after pill AND having the coil inserted, I freaked out so much.

Amy, I've only done two full cycles with the thing in; it's a copper one, not Mirena. I'm going to give it four full cycles, plus the bonus not pregnant period just after I had it put in. I REALLY want this to work for me because I'm running out of methods of contraception and DH isn't really keen on the idea of a vasectomy. Being honest, I'm probably going to try mirena again as a last-ditch option if this doesn't work, but that's not an idea that appeals.
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It's the cervical cap that is less effective after giving birth, not the diaphragm. But the diaphragm plus spermicide still isn't hugely effective- around 85% (and might I mention, not very effective at all if you leave it in it's case). I wasn't thrilled with the diaphragm because it rubbed a little in certain positions. Let's send out to the universe that there is a lovely group of women here that would like to see some new contraceptive methods...

Amy, we haven't settled on any names yet. It's not a big deal to us, just an evolving conversation that happens through the pregnancy. I "try out" names by thinking about them for a couple of days, then seeing how they sit with me. Last time we only started writing things down in the last month or so, and chose our top boy and girl choices during labour. But we still waited to meet her to decide if the names were right. I get the sense that having an un-named baby is a bit stressful for you?

I'm having a lovely day here- after working all weekend, I had yesterday and today as my days off. Yesterday Neela and I spent a nice day together, and today she went to daycare as usual and I'm having a day at home alone. I went swimming, wandered around the art supply store choosing papers for our annual Christmas book/poem, and have a nap and some housework slated for the afternoon. Last night Matt and I made a linocut of a pomegranate to block print on the cover of the book, and tonight we're going to be refining the design and printing them.

I hope you're having a wonderful day, Qofc, gunter and barcelona!!!
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I'd want to go for the copper if I did, since its good for 10 years and hormone free. But then there's also the fact that I have endometriosis and I wonder if it would just make it worse. Any words of wisdom or advice?
Our family doctor has said a number of times that she has never personally known a woman who ended up liking their copper IUD. She said that in her practice and others around town there is about a 70% removal rate within about the first year.
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