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post #41 of 137
12/7/08 at 7:20pm
Lissame72, I'm sorry to hear you're having lining issues as well. If yours was nearly normal before the Clomid, I wouldn't worry too much. It's certainly disappointing for this month, but in the long term it should be okay as long as you switch from the Clomid to something else.

I don't know if I have any information that can help you for this month, except maybe trying the baby aspirin after you ovulate which can thicken it up by implantation time.

My acupuncturist suggested electroacupuncture, so you may want to look into that. And then check out this link about foods high in phytoestrogen which is supposed to help as well.
http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/phytoestrogen.php

My RE went ahead with IUIs when my lining was 3.9 and then 4.1. I'm surprised since it doesn't seem as though there's much chance of implantation with such poor numbers, unless this month the Crinone helped enough by implantation time.

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post #42 of 137
12/7/08 at 8:10pm
Thread Starter 
Sorry for the lining troubles.

Lissame- It sounds clomid-related. Follstim or Gonal-f don't affect uterine lining. Letrazole is suppose to not effect it as much, but the jury is still out on that.

DaisyMae- Good luck tomorrow!

AFM: 15 days left of this awful pill. Also spotting. The nurse says this is pretty common:
post #43 of 137
12/8/08 at 2:12pm
I POAS this morning so that I wouldn't be wondering all day while waiting for the phone call. It was negative as I suspected it would be after hearing my horrible lining number on Friday.

I'm so ready to just get my period over with so that I can start on the Letrozole and pray that the Clomid was the cause of the thin lining.
post #44 of 137
12/8/08 at 2:37pm
Thread Starter 
DaisyMae- I am really sorry. Letrazole is better for the lining, but can you check into Gonal-f or Follistim, which has NO effect on lining?
post #45 of 137
12/8/08 at 3:08pm
Naturalmom, I will ask about both of those. I know they wanted to try the Letrozole because they would also like me to produce fewer follicles. I've had 6 and 7 with my Clomid cycles. Would those be gentler in terms of follicular development? Although if my lining is too thin for implantation that doesn't do us any good at all.

Are those injectibles?
post #46 of 137
12/8/08 at 3:37pm
Thread Starter 
The reason my clinic uses letrazole is because it is suppose to produce less follies and keep the lining up. The most follies I grew is 3, which my doc liked. My clinic does letrazole days 3-7, gonal-f for 2 days to keep the follies growing while letting the lining bulk up. Then we do a follie study on day 10, then either do a trigger then, or gonal-f for another day or two, depending on whats going on. Hope that helps with some ideas!
post #47 of 137
12/8/08 at 7:02pm
Had my day 7 u/s today and lo and behold a follicle at 18 mm.
The RE really wants me to go longer this time...I'm extrapolating that he doesn't think I can get preg on eggs this early. My estradiol was over 700.
Cycle Day 7! Other than the dominant follie, I had a 12mm and many smaller ones. I had a cyst on the right cd 3 (my big producing ovary) so I knew that one wouldn't produce this time. Luckily, the cyst is already gone, but it's all up to the Left. After much discussion, RE decided to have me stim tonight, trigger tomorrow and IUI thurs. Hopefully the 18mm won't be too big by then, the 12 can catch up and everything in general has more time to incubate. I hate all this worrying about too late/too early and now snowstorms hitting on day of IUI. : Coincidentally this cycle Christmas will be 14 dpiui. That happened last Christmas too!

Daisy, I am sorry. FWIW I've had good lining with the follsitim.
post #48 of 137
12/8/08 at 8:39pm
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Poet- Your RE is denial. He needs to admit to the fact you are a super stimmer and move on!!! Just kidding. Are you watching your LH surge just in case? Maybe you will be in for a Christmas present this year. Hope things go well.. Keep the snow away.
post #49 of 137
12/8/08 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by natrualmom View Post
Poet- Your RE is denial. He needs to admit to the fact you are a super stimmer and move on!!! Just kidding. Are you watching your LH surge just in case? Maybe you will be in for a Christmas present this year. Hope things go well.. Keep the snow away.
Thanks Nat! Can I call you Nat? Do you think my 18 mm will be okay waiting til Thurs? I was assured we have a better chance waiting than doing trig tonight and they said I shouldn't O before the trig tomorrow. Still I am a bit concerned. Least I get to time the shot/IUI with the 36 hrs this time. Phew. That's a good idea about watching lh surge, don't have any darn pee sticks though. Maybe I should get some.
post #50 of 137
12/8/08 at 9:42pm
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I say go digital. I know they are mucho bucks, but there is no mistaking the positive. Also, should you need them next month (Hope not), you will have plenty left over. If you do, I would test tomorrow after 11:00 am because that should be when your surge is best detected, if there is one (Hope not). Your 18mm should hang out, as they grow 1-2mm per day, so it should be no bigger than 20-22mm by trigger time, and thats perfect size! And I think the 36 hour timing is great this go-round. And yes, you can call me Nat.
post #51 of 137
12/9/08 at 6:47pm

I'm back

Hi everyone, Sorry to see some of the same people but glad to see a couple BFPs! That's awesome!

I'm back for IUI #5. Natural cycle this time w/a trigger. As some of you may remember my husband's numbers went way, way down in October. Well, for some reason that noone can explain they went back up a couple weeks ago. He also had a good SA two weeks before the first IUI. My working theory is that he's so stressed by the IUI that he can't "produce". So he's going to give a sample on Thursday and maybe also on Monday and if it's good the RE will freeze it for use next week. So here's hoping...

If all goes as planned IUI will be around next Thursday.

Good luck to all.
post #52 of 137
12/9/08 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by natrualmom View Post
I say go digital. I know they are mucho bucks, but there is no mistaking the positive. Also, should you need them next month (Hope not), you will have plenty left over. If you do, I would test tomorrow after 11:00 am because that should be when your surge is best detected, if there is one (Hope not). Your 18mm should hang out, as they grow 1-2mm per day, so it should be no bigger than 20-22mm by trigger time, and thats perfect size! And I think the 36 hour timing is great this go-round. And yes, you can call me Nat.
Thanks Nat! I didn't get a chance to get the opk do to copious amounts of ice, so my keep it cool strategy kind of fell apart when I did a cp check and it was high, hence my panic thread. Coming back to read your post and try to get it together again.

Welcome back and Good Luck Eternal Sunshine!
post #53 of 137
12/9/08 at 7:49pm
ETERNAL-Glad to hear the numbers are up. I hope so much for you it stays up. I should also be doing IUI around next Thursday. Good Luck.
post #54 of 137
12/9/08 at 8:05pm
Well, I'm out for this month. My uterine lining was only 4.0mm, so I decided to cancel the IUI and save our money for a better chance next month or in Feb. No more clomid for me!

But I'm actually worried that it isn't JUST the clomid. I checked back on the results of the u/s I had on an unmedicated cycle and the lining was only 5.7mm on cd10 -- everything I'm reading says that is pretty thin, right? I just don't understand why my RE didn't point that out as a potential problem during my "comprehensive" fertility w/u! If she had, I'd never have agreed to take clomid, since that is a known side effect. I'm really frustrated because here I've wasted a month, plus all the money for the meds and the u/s, plus had my hopes dashed, AND I haven't been doing anything to improve my lining since I didn't know I needed to!:

DaisyMae08 - maybe we can compare notes if either of us finds something that bulks up that lining! I'm going to start on baby aspirin and l-arginine, plus continue acupuncture now with a focus on increasing bloodflow to the uterus.

Hope others are having much more luck than me.
post #55 of 137
12/9/08 at 11:12pm
Lissa-So, so, so, so sorry.
post #56 of 137
12/10/08 at 12:21am
MomtoAlexis - Thanks for the hugs! Good luck next Thursday - I'll look forward to hearing how it goes for you.
post #57 of 137
12/10/08 at 12:34am
Thank you for all of the thoughts and the suggestions. My plan for this month is to take the Letrozole days 3 - 7 and then go in for an u/s on day 12 and then do the Ovidrel trigger based on what the u/s shows. Since there aren't the cervical mucus issues with Letrozole the NP suggested we do only 1IUI but neither my husband nor I are comfortable with that, so we'll do IUIs two days following the trigger.

We'll see what happens this cycle and then I will ask about gonal-f or follistim. I'm not prepared for injectibles just yet!

For my lining, I'm going to make some dietary changes and continue with my acupuncture. I'll do acupuncture the morning before my first IUI and the afternoon after my second. My acupuncturist is prepared to do the electroacupuncture if my lining looks like it needs help after the day 12 u/s. I'm going to ask about using baby aspirin post-ovulation and will again be using the Crinone (progesterone).

Right now I'm just waiting for AF which seems to be hiding thanks to the Crinone.
post #58 of 137
12/10/08 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by lissame72 View Post
DaisyMae08 - maybe we can compare notes if either of us finds something that bulks up that lining! I'm going to start on baby aspirin and l-arginine, plus continue acupuncture now with a focus on increasing bloodflow to the uterus.
Absolutely!! Be careful with the baby aspirin. It can inhibit ovulation, so you may want to save it for just the LP.

What do you think about a heating pad over the uterus leading up to ovulation? Heat helps blood flow, doesn't it? Obviously wouldn't use it after ovulation. But what about leading up to it?
post #59 of 137
12/10/08 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by DaisyMae08 View Post
Absolutely!! Be careful with the baby aspirin. It can inhibit ovulation, so you may want to save it for just the LP.

What do you think about a heating pad over the uterus leading up to ovulation? Heat helps blood flow, doesn't it? Obviously wouldn't use it after ovulation. But what about leading up to it?
I do this (in the IF Cure, she talks about 'cold womb' in TCM)--after AF I put castor oil on my womb area and then a dry washcloth then heat over that and I have also done mayan abdominal massage strokes. If you send me your address, I'll mail you a copy of them!
post #60 of 137
12/10/08 at 10:48am
Lissa- So sorry.

Daisy- Sounds like a good plan. Good luck this next cycle!

AFM: Just waiting around for AF to show. I am undecided on whether we should do another cycle in December. Part of me just wants not mess with the holidays but actually the timing would work out nicely because my husband has two weeks off. Hmm...

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