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post #21 of 78

info. on effectiveness of vaccine, etc.

I have another link and quote you might find useful considering the news on flu these past few days.

Personally, I'd like to see the science where the CDC says this year's vaccine has some protection against unrelated strains like the one in Colorado. I'm afraid I'm just not buying that comment.


What is the flu vaccine?
The flu vaccine is prepared from the fluids of chick embryos inoculated with a specific type(s) of influenza virus. The strains of flu virus in the vaccine are inactivated with formaldehyde and preserved with Thimerosal, which is a mercury derivative.

Every year, federal health agency officials try to guess which three flu strains are most likely to be prevalent in the U.S. the following year to determine which strains will be included in next year's flu vaccine. If they guess right, the vaccine is thought to be 70 to 90 percent effective in temporarily preventing the flu of the season in healthy persons less than 65 years old. For those over 65 years old, the efficacy rate drops to 30 to 40% but the vaccine is thought to be 50 to 60% effective in preventing hospitalization and pneumonia and 80% effective in preventing death from the flu.

However, sometimes health officials do not correctly predict which flu strains will be most prevalent and the vaccine's effectiveness is much lower for that year.

What about mercury in the vaccine?
In 1999, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) directed the vaccine manufacturers to take mercury out of all childhood vaccines. In October 2001, the Institute of Medicine issued a report that said it is "biologically plausible" that mercury-containing vaccines could cause injury to the brain but there have been too few scientific studies conducted to prove conclusively that mercury in vaccines has caused brain damage."

Nevertheless, the Institute of Medicine recommended that drug companies take all mercury out of all vaccines and over-the-counter drugs.

In compliance with this recommendation a preservative-free vaccine formulated for children ages 6 to 35 months, with only a trace amount of Thimerosal, is available in a limited amount. It is distinguished by a pink syringe plunger rod in the pre-filled syringe. All adult formulations still contain Thimerosal.
post #22 of 78
Thread Starter 
Why is it that so many of us back in the late spring predicted this outbreak? WE all "knew" it.

We all talked about it, we saw it coming like signs of an impending storm.

surely, we're not all psychic.

what were the scenarios in all of us that told us it was coming. I would say first, what was it the cdc or nih or national peds.. who said, it is okay for babies to get the shot first.

I remember I shuddered when I read it.
post #23 of 78
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post #24 of 78
Ok, I am fed up with all the media hype about the flu.
If I hear one more someone say get your flu shot, I'm gonna scream.
Flu picks on the vulnerable. Has from day one. Every year people die of the flu.
To me this is just a opportunistic grab to make more money, and practice voodoo by sticking noxious substances into people. Cripes they're vaccinating in the grocery store!

Ok rant over. Be well, eat well, sleep well.
post #25 of 78
Yahoo News: Flu Outbreak Blamed for 11 Kids' Deaths

The flu is now being blamed for the deaths of at least six children in Colorado, three in Texas and one each in Oklahoma and New Mexico.
I'm not panicking yet, just reporting to the board. What the hell is going on?

If anyone in the US (Hillary is working hard enough - thank you!) has time to dig a little deeper on these cases, I'd appreciate it!

T I'm vacationing in Maui right now But it will be cloudy drizzly for the next few days
post #26 of 78
H everyone,
I live in Colorado Springs, CO., and work at an extremely busy ER, where people are hysterical! freaking out!

I would love, just love, a link that provides info on the kids that were already "compromised" before they died of the flu.

Can anyone help?

Thanks, Lisa
post #27 of 78
Thread Starter 
more for the fat flu thread....

"Info on Flu deaths

Apparently 3 of the children who died in Colorado from the flu had Cerebral Palsy. That explains alot, doesn't it? I feel very sad for their families, but I think this is pertinent info that the general public isn't aware of. (A nurse from Denver on a board I'm on disclosed this). "
post #28 of 78
Thread Starter 
by the way this is a great md/homeopath website which discusses flu treatment:

post #29 of 78
The two manufacturers of the flu vaccine, Chiron and Aventis Pasteur, said Friday they had shipped all their vaccine to distributors nationwide and would not be able to meet the surge in demand.
link for quote

Hurry people: I guess the vaccine companies got what they wanted. People are buying into the hysteria and getting vaccinated in droves.
What the hell is going on?
post #30 of 78
does anyone have info surrounding the deaths? I live in Colorado, right in the middle of all of this, but I can't help thinking that there must be extenuatiing circumstances and I don't like that the news (I only read the paper) sensationalizes the deaths and then glosses over the details. Like, how did the 2 yo die? Dehydration? What?

My son is sick right now (he's 21 mo) and I have no intention of anyone in our family getting any vaccine. I know my biggest enemy is dehydration, but you can bet I won't be taking him to any hospital or doctor's office unless it is a real emergency. He gave it to my dh, but dh works a high stress job so he pretty much always succombs to whatever is going around. I am pg but haven't got it. And according to Hilary, they don't have the flu, just some sort of stomach bug that gives them really aweful diarrhea (and my dh is throwing up).

This is about a child that died recently. I keep thinking about the ways in which I would have prevented this if it were my child. Don't know the validatity of that, but I'd like to think I could.


I read this today and it infuriated me. How can they so blatently play on people's fears?


How do you embed links? All my links lack the underline that makes them, well, linkable.
post #31 of 78
Nevermind, it worked
post #32 of 78
I have no doubt that we (meaning society as a whole) have brought this new strain of the flu on ourselves. If people (again meaning society as a whole) would learn to take better care of themselves...both preventative and treatment of...preventative vaccines would become a thing of the past....although fear and money are incredible motivators. Yada Yada Yada...I know that I am preaching to the chior.

The keynote marker of influenza is a very sudden onset of weakness and fatigue. In some people there can be a very short prodromal period of non-productive dryish annoying cough, malaise and chilliness, but most people who have had influenza can name the day and time it started, by the sudden and extreme loss of energy.
I can tell you that "the keynot marker of influenza is a VERY sudden onset" is right on the money. I can tell you, down to the minute, EXACTLY when I got the flu last year. It's the only time in my 28 (almost 29) years on this planet that I have ever had it and I can assure you that I will do everything in my power not to get it again...and that includes the form you get from taking the vaccine...YUK

I want to thank you ladies for providing such wonderful information. My neighbor is terrified that her 10 month old baby girl will get it and I told her all I knew about prevention and now I know even more that I can tell her. You ladies are wonderful! s
post #33 of 78

flu shots

I'm new to this discussion; in fact, I've never been involved in a forum before, but have been a "voyeur" on the mothering site for quite awhile now. It's nice to have a place to read about views that are in sync with mine, in this world where the norm is often so different. It is SO easy to be swept along with the crowd.

I just returned from dinner out with four friends, all of whom blindly accept the media hoopla about the flu deaths in Colorado, and who have all gotten their kids flu shots. I will not get a flu shot, primarily because I haven't had the real flu in nearly 30 years; I will not let my daughters near a flu vaccine because their dad had Gullain Barre Syndrome a few years back. There are enough questions about what causes GBS to lead me to worry that it could be genetically motivated. (Needless to say, my dh won't get a flu vaccine, either, since GBS is a possible side effect.)

It just all seems so money-driven. Ramp up the fear about the flu, people clamor for vaccines, the docs and vaccine companies are scratching each other's backs. It all appears to be in everyone's best interest, but if you just think about it one step further, it's only smart to be skeptical.

I thank everyone for their posts. I'm feeling more convinced than ever that I'm right to just say no to the flu shot.
post #34 of 78
In addition, Berman said Colorado is "the worst in the country" in vaccine rates for two diseases that often are common complications from influenza: pneumococcal pneumonia and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib).
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Hib was not at all related to influenzae. Just trying to push more vax I suppose.
post #35 of 78
I knew my Mothering Mamas would be talkin about this hoopla.

Just on the news: "a local county is MINTUES away from running out of the flu vaccine. See where you can protect your family before it runs out." Every frigging five minutes the news is talking about the shortage.

It makes me sick.

So let's talk prevention--or did I miss this? If I did, show me the way, sistahs.

1. Wash hands--all the time
2. Cover your mouth when you sneeze or cough

I'd like to start dosing my fam with vit C. I don't usually do this because we eat well. I am also wondering how to give it to my 10 mo old dd (still nursing full time). How much for me, my dh, my 3yo and my 10 mo old per day?

Anything else?

post #36 of 78
So glad to see this thread! I have been flipping out to anyone who'll listen about this ridiculous pharmy-co/media conspiracy. Every news cast uses scare tactics to get you out of your house and straight to the flu shot lines. I predict that GW's 'economic growth' will rise in the medical industry this quarter!

Here's one that hasn't been posted that claims that Wyeth - maker of Flumist stands to make $1 billion this season.


Combine that with the new medicare bill and I'd bet you'd see a lot of champagne flowing behind some pharmy-co CEO's closed doors!

And there will be no stick in anyone's arm in my family. If we get the flu - so be it.

Does anyone else think that hospitals possibly make things worse for some of these flu patients? I read somewhere that chickenpox is only deadly for kids who are 'overtreated'. I just can't help but wonder if the same can be said for the flu....

post #37 of 78
Kristen I totally think that hosp can make it worse. Want a good read? Go read "Confessions of A Medical Heretic" by Robert Mendelsohn.....pretty good and freaky..lol
I also have Male Practice by him. They are out of print so would have to check the library or half.com or anywhere that sells used books.
post #38 of 78
I do know a little about one of the deaths in Texas - it was a teenager with asthma. So he/she (didn't hear the gender) was also at higher risk.

Thank you for all of these posts. Dh and I have people bugging us about the flu shot also. grrrr

post #39 of 78
Originally posted by Hilary

It's just a trailer to mass use of Flumist.

After all, you have to ask yourself why the other companies didn't make enough to meet the demand they wishes to manufacture....
damn, that's so obvious I didnt even think of it. i bet youre exactly right. the shots run out-Panic Ensues-big pharmoco saves the day with Flumist! Plenty left! Come and get it! It costs 2x as much as the flu shot, and is much more unsafe! and everytime you sneeze, or wipe your nose, or breathe on, near or around someone, or touch something, you can pass that flu bug right along. that genetically mutated flu bug, that isnt even the one "everyones" got.


the flumist is dangerous. that really will give the general populace that widespread flu epidemic they all fear. the numbers of the infected will be monkeyed with, chopped up so that it looks like the epidemic came before the shot, and "xnumberofpeople" were Saved from the flu by Flumist. and the damn people, that general populace, will eat. it. up. and breathe a big, collective sigh of relief that they got that shot and didnt get the Killer Flu of 2003.

Why is it that so many of us back in the late spring predicted this outbreak? WE all "knew" it.
i remember seeing ads for the new ped approved flu shots too, and thinking, oh boy, watch us have the Worst Flu Season Ever this winter. if it werent so dangerous it'd be laughable.
post #40 of 78
I am happy to see this thread here - and discussed so thoroughly. My question is I do have a 4 yr ds with asthma and have been told by his dr. to think about the flu shot (ok this was a couple of months ago when he was there for his check-up). Of course I totally blew it off.

But now I (who chose to selectively vacc my kids) am now concerned. I agree that this is hype and even my dh who is can be somewhat clueless thought this was a major amount of bs. But what about kids who do have asthma and allergies? Are they at a higher risk for trouble?

OTH I hear that there are a certain amount of flu deaths every year and so far this flu season is much like any other. That people who are compromised have the greatest risk.
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