Originally Posted by UUMom
Which reminds of how GI Joe was always knocking up my Flower doll.
She's the hippie in the middle -- who actually wore a pink felt floppy hat. (Not that dumb straw one). (PS do not google-image World of Love Dolls with kids in the room.
My Sunshine Family dolls were all about the homebirth. They even came with their own spinning wheel and hippie camper:http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...n%26safe%3Doff
Originally Posted by mrspineau
No? Suppose they decide when they are, say, 12 to have a webcam set up in their bedrooms so that they can "sexually express" themselves on the internet? You have no opinion about that? or if they decide that they would like to have sex unprotected. No problem?
See, you're coming from a totally different reality.
it's like saying "what if your child ends up taking herion at age 12 because she saw you having a few glasses of wine at dinner?"
It just wouldn't happen. There are soooo many more factors involved. No child is going to express themselves sexually on a webcam at age 12, simply because they were allowed to play with Bratz.
Said child would have to have a whole lot more going on that would lead to such a behaviour. and honestly; I would like to believe that parents on MDC would be raising their children in a loving, respectful and gentle manner, such that the mere playing with a doll couldn't break their self-esteem.
Originally Posted by Porcelain Interior
Phew what a long thread....
I just wanted to chime in after reading majikfaerie's blog that she is very obviously living in a different culture (than here in the US) and people's attitudes (from what I saw on the blog) are much different and appear more healthy than in America.
That said I don't think OP has anything to worry about with bratz.
majikfaerie you and your DD are so beautiful, and after seeing your friends on your blog and all the wonderful natural beauty, I think whatever you're doing over there where you are is wonderful and healthy.
I only wish American women would be so bold.
goodness. thankyou too
I do live in a pretty different place than a lot of western people.
Originally Posted by Breeder
I know you said you've been researching it, but I just did a paper on this a couple of semesters ago (I wish I could link my articles but they are academic papers and you have to be registered through a university that has bought the rights to them to view it)
There is some psychology research out there suggesting that Bratz contribute to "age compression" (as academics call it) and "Kids Growing Older Younger" (as advertisers call it). Basically it is the sexualization of children and introducing children to adult views of sex pre-puberty, which leads young people to act in a sexual manner before they are ready to emotionally/physically and mentally deal with these things.
I would never purchase a Bratz doll because they are very materialistic and they promote girls as being valued for their looks alone. Now majikfaerie's daughter is obviously being raised in a manner that strengthens her resolve against the media's influence. Unfortunatley many, many girls are not which leads them to buy into the values expressed by the dolls. My dollars are my vote. I vote no for these dolls.
But since Majikfaerie bought them on ebay, she didn't give a cent to the manufacturer... and also they will probably be wiped out by Barbie anyway... I just wanted to point out there is research about these dolls that is more negative than just "they are ugly and wear too much makeup", it's just not available to the general public (although it should be).
about this reserach, thankyou for sharing that. it's very interesting. and as I said before, I don't believe for one second that these dolls alone could 'sexualise' a child. it would be impossible to conduct such a study, because you can't find children in a vacuum
But these studies are done mostly on children who are raised in western countries, by parents who are relying on a largely damaged society to provide their self-image.
When a girl's mother is herself unconfident in herself, and has a low self-image, which can manifest itself in many ways, it is not surprising that the girl would learn this kind of behaviour, and latch onto dolls like Bratz to model themselves on, thus becoming self-degrading behaviour, as the image of Bratz is virtually impossible to maintain on a real person.
anyway, end of the day, it's pretty irrelevant to my child, living in the environment we live in.
and the end of the day is that my question was about buying presents for children, and where/ how people draw lines on that.
This most interesting discussion has helped me to see where I'm really at, and come to a clear conclusion.