Coroner, Parents Disagree on Vaccine's Role in Baby's Death

[mykdsmomy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462405,00.html


A coroner ruled Friday that a common childhood vaccination was not responsible for a baby's death, but the boy's parents disagree, the Guardian reported Friday.

Eighteen-month-old George Fisher died after doctors vaccinated him with the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine while he was sick, the baby’s parents told the coroner at an inquest this week.

[abomgardner417]

Sudden Unexpected Death in Childhood? An "unascertained disease"? Give me a break.

[Scattershoot]

Crickmore believes George died from a rare condition known as sudden unexpected death in childhood, due to an unknown disease.

Holy crap. Are you kidding me? Children just keel over and die. It's perfectly natural.

This is why people can say vaccines are harmless or they can say they've never seen a vaccine reaction. This is also why the numbers the vaccine industry gives us regarding vaccine injury are completely bogus.

The parents know what happened. They know their child. Of course, the "researchers" and "scientists" can get around this by saying it's only anecdotal so it doesn't prove anything. So what if thousands and thousands of parents swear vaccines turned their healthy, happy, beautiful child into a shell of what they once were within days of vaccination. That doesn't prove anything because the "experts" say it isn't so.

This once again proves my point that the vaccine industry does NOT have children's best interests at heart. If they did, they would immediately do everything they could to follow up on this and what the parents are saying. Instead they say, like they always do, "We have no idea how the child died, but we are absolutely certain that it wasn't the vaccine." Of course that is not an absurd contradiction in the la-la land of the vaccine industry.

[Full Heart]

Ok which is it? Its not a vax reaction if it happens days later and its not a reaction if it happens immediately after. Let me guess there is never a time a reaction occurs because there are none right?

But Crickmore said George's symptoms emerged too soon after receiving the vaccination to be related to it.

I think we should find out what this "unknown disease" is and make a vax for it - its obviously deadly. :

[Marnica]

I would like to see their 'scientific proof' that says it was 100% NOT the vaccine that caused this baby to die. Thay can't becasue it doesn't exsist.

[mama_tigress]

I don't understand the story, or don't have the facts straight. He got his MMR when he went to the doctor because he was having a febrile seizure? Or is that a hospital? I think it's a regular doctor. So he had a high fever and had a seizure, was taken to the doctor for a seizure, and was then given the MMR while there? Those facts really don't add up for me. If that's what happened, the doctor is negligent for giving ANY vaccine to a child with a high fever. OTOH, it is absolutely impossible to say that the vaccine killed the kid, because the kid was obviously already sick to begin with. There are so many possible causes of death. Children die after illnesses with high fevers and convulsions, sometimes (unfortunately), regardless of whether they've recently been vaccinated. So you can't really say one way or another.

I'm still really confused over why they gave a vaccine to a convulsing child, or what exactly happened here.

[mama_tigress]

Originally Posted by Full Heart

Ok which is it? Its not a vax reaction if it happens days later and its not a reaction if it happens immediately after. Let me guess there is never a time a reaction occurs because there are none right?

In this particular instance it was the MMR vaccine, so a typical reaction would happen approximately two weeks or so after getting the shot. I don't see how 10 days wouldn't be an appropriate time frame, so I don't get the response in that regard. But with most vaccines you'd expect to see any reaction happen immediately, within hours or a day or so, as opposed to the MMR, because the MMR is a live virus vaccine.

But I still don't get the story.

eta: Not even the CDC claims that people don't have reactions to the MMR, fwiw

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by Full Heart

Ok which is it? Its not a vax reaction if it happens days later and its not a reaction if it happens immediately after. Let me guess there is never a time a reaction occurs because there are none right?



I think we should find out what this "unknown disease" is and make a vax for it - its obviously deadly. :

Since they only follow vaccine test subjects for a few days after vaccination, it seems that vax reactions only happen shortly after vaccination...unless they happen later, then we are told they only happen earlier..unless they happen earlier, then we are told they only happen later...but they only follow subjects for a few days, so they only happen earlier...unless they happen later...then.......

Hence...they never happen...get it?

[CookAMH]

That's so sad. I haven't heard of ONE coroner would would admit that as a cause. Just look at the death reports in VAERS for babies - SIDS, SIDS, SIDS.

[Full Heart]

Originally Posted by mama_tigress

In this particular instance it was the MMR vaccine, so a typical reaction would happen approximately two weeks or so after getting the shot. I don't see how 10 days wouldn't be an appropriate time frame, so I don't get the response in that regard. But with most vaccines you'd expect to see any reaction happen immediately, within hours or a day or so, as opposed to the MMR, because the MMR is a live virus vaccine.

But I still don't get the story.

eta: Not even the CDC claims that people don't have reactions to the MMR, fwiw

Thats only if the reaction is from the viri. There are plenty of things in a vaccine that can cause a reaction and an immediate one at that. Allergic reactions can happen immediately and can happen with no prior history of an allergic reaction. So with the mmr you can still have a reaction immediately. Other vaccines just because they can happen immediately doesn't mean a certain reaction won't happen later. Like my hair falling out. That took weeks after a tetanus shot.

[Gitti]

Is this really scientific: the child died of an unknown disease but the vaccine had NOTHING to do with it?

This is crazy! Totally crazy.

How many SIDS cases were there in say 1950? I wonder.

[forthebest]

Poor baby. Looks like they did all the wrong things, why would they immunize a sick kid? And with MMR!!!Why were the parents not informed of the risks of immunizing a sick kid by these so-called proffessionals? Why on earth were they so keen to immunize a sick kid? Why is there suddenly a new rare prognosis SCDS? That answers this travesty of medical care?Why as the pp says are the companies not investigating any possible connection between babies death and the vax? They obviously do not give a **** There is no way that a connection can be totally ruled out. Why is the uninformed doctor still working? Will they get re-educated on vax contraindications at work so this can be prevented in future? Bleugh.

[kriket]

poor family! Why would the DR vax while he was sick? That's insane! poor baby and family. My heart is with them.

[applejuice]

UCLA School of Public Health did a study on the incidence of SIDS in Los Angeles County in 1986, published in 1987, and found a definite co-relationship between the vaccine schedule and SIDS. This study is over twenty years old. Doctors are still playing the denial game.

The findings of this study is very important because all police investigations of SIDS babies are treated as homicides and the parents are the primary "persons of interest".

To lose a baby and then be accused of being the perpetrator is cruelty in its highest form in society.

...Another respectable study of the SIDS-vaccination connection is "Diptheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome" by Alexander M. Walker, Hershel Jick, David R. Perera, Robert S. Thompson, and Thomas A. Knauss, published in the American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [August, 1987], 945-951.

[Baby Makes 4]

But Crickmore said George's symptoms emerged too soon after receiving the vaccination to be related to it.

My oldest son had his first ever seizure 45 minutes after his 6 month DPT.

[mykdsmomy]

Originally Posted by forthebest

Poor baby. Looks like they did all the wrong things, why would they immunize a sick kid? And with MMR!!!Why were the parents not informed of the risks of immunizing a sick kid by these so-called proffessionals? Why on earth were they so keen to immunize a sick kid?

The sad thing is, I've been hearing more and more lately that unless a child has a high fever or is very ill, it is ok to vaccinate.
A pediatrician told me that a mild cold or virus is not reason to not vaccinate.

[Scattershoot]

To lose a baby and then be accused of being the perpetrator is cruelty in its highest form in society.

The people involved will have eternity to pay for what they have done to an untold number of families who trusted them. They can convince themselves they had nothing to do with the maiming and killing of the children, but at the soul level there is no lying.

It is a good rule of thumb that if the media, the politicians, the guns and the money all back what you are doing, then what you are doing is serving someone's agenda, and it is not for the love of the little children.

[wallacesmum]

I would not be surprised to learn that coroners are specifically instructed not to find this relationship. I remember reading about a coroner who was forced to rewrite his report implicating tasers in a death, because the cops didn't want the blame.

[AFWife]

I really hate that kind of bias. I wouldn't be surprised if coroners were taught that vaccines cause no harm (I know a lot of doctors are)

It irritates me that in all other types of medical death they go over AND CONSIDER everything that may have caused it...unless the word "vaccine" comes up.

[mom2tig99Nroo03]