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post #21 of 38
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Originally Posted by mommaduck View Post
If they want to comment, then I would just simply ask, "then why is it that your kid (or SIL's child, if speaking to grandparent) is always sick and mine isn't?"
I just wish they'd say these things to me. It's always dp or mil. Dp always stands up for our kids though. He's pretty much awesome like that.

At least Grandma is very on board with our choices. I mentioned this exchange to her (I guess sil had also talked to her because she knew about it before I said anything) and she just kind of shrugged like "what can you do". I did also warn her (in general) about the risk of a shedding vaccine. She is immunocompromised and I would hate to see her get sick.
post #22 of 38
i think its kind of funny that the doctor told her that unvaxed children are more likely to get sick while she is in the office with her sick vaccinated child and you are at home with your healthy unvaxed child. did he not see the of that comment. not to mention vax doesn't like carry over or anything.. getting vaccinated for whopping cough doesn't make you immune to the common cold (or whooping cough for that matter)

and yikes about the supplementing. sometimes (ok a lot of times) i wonder how these people make it out of their front door .. let alone med school
post #23 of 38
If I am giving the doc the benefit of the doubt here, (which is a long shot, because it seems like most docs and nurses just don't actually know anything about vaccines or illness or health), perhaps it is that he only sees unvaxed children IF they are REALLY sick. I'll bet that, on average, parents who don't vaccinate also don't rush to the doc at the first sign of an illness. And anyone who has done her research would know that the doc's office is the last place anyone who has a cold should be, so such a person would only take her children there if she suspected a complication such as pneumonia. Just my thoughts on it.
post #24 of 38
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If I am giving the doc the benefit of the doubt here, (which is a long shot, because it seems like most docs and nurses just don't actually know anything about vaccines or illness or health), perhaps it is that he only sees unvaxed children IF they are REALLY sick. I'll bet that, on average, parents who don't vaccinate also don't rush to the doc at the first sign of an illness. And anyone who has done her research would know that the doc's office is the last place anyone who has a cold should be, so such a person would only take her children there if she suspected a complication such as pneumonia. Just my thoughts on it.
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post #25 of 38
i like that. he thinks unvaxed kids get sick more b/c he only sees them when they are sick. its a good point.. but its funny b/c thats sort of the point of a doctor. i have never been a big fan of the doctor lookie lookie my baby is healthy!
post #26 of 38
FWIW

My 2 oldest are adopted and fully vaxed before they came to our home. They get sick ALL THE FREAKING TIME. Drives me batty.

My two youngest have never been vaxed. They RARELY get sick, and when they do they bounce fantastically well. Youngest did just get an ear infection, but there's a huge history of genetic ear probs (DH is deaf) and it's more related to how her ears are formed than anything else.

Otherwise it's the same diet, same exposures, same everything. The only real difference health wise is who is vax'd and who isn't.

So vent away mama, that doesn't make sense at ALL!
post #27 of 38
I've actually been told that before - by a dr. Ignorance abounds.
post #28 of 38
my doctor actually told me the opposite, when my dd was around 2 mos and then again around 4 mos and we declined any of the vaxes those visits he said to me... most of the completely unvaxed kids are some of the healthiest kids he's ever had the pleasure of caring for.
post #29 of 38
That doesn't sound right at all and it hasn't been my experience. My vax'd child has had lots of cold, stomache flus, mysterious fevers and viruses. My two less and unvaxed kids get nothing. My mostly vax'd son was the only one of the three who got the flu last year!
post #30 of 38
Eh, thats bs, but really I've seen a bit of both worlds...and really, IME it depends on other factors. Vaccinating really doesn't have much to do with it.

Example, I have two friends (well more than 2 but for this arguement...)

Friend A has 2 kids, both 100% unvaxed, both EBF, healthy-ish diet...sickest freaking kids I've ever met in my life...they are constantly sniffing and sneezing and coughing and hacking...runny nose...

Friend B has 3 kids, all 100% vaxed on schedule, all ebf'ed, healthy-ish diet...healthy as horses the lot of them

Then me, 2 kids, not vaxed, ebf'ed, healthy-ish diet...healthy as horses.
post #31 of 38
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Originally Posted by BEJJ View Post
How could they have a vax for the common cold? isn't every cold different, even if you get the same symptoms? Do you think that if one of you guys were a pediatrician that they would believe you?
I *know* they would. It's why they bring their baby to the doctor at every sign of illness...because doctors know everything and will either make it better or ease any fears they have. If I were a ped. my sil would either be coming to me for advice or arguing that her doctor said such and such that is different from what I'm saying. She has an unbelievable amount of blind faith in doctors.

I did kind of mention today (we were picking kiddos up at the same time) that K never caught Junior's cold..even though she stuck his binky in her mouth at the height of his fever...muwhahaha..just stirring the embers there you know...
post #32 of 38
ds1 seemed to always be healthier than my nephews and niece who are fully vaxed, and my mil has said the same....but it's hard to make true comparisons since they eat SAD and have (unfortunately) had very stressful lives thus far and spend more time around other children than ds1 does.

i think though, that unvaxed children who seem unhealthy, sick all the time etc, there are other things at play there. both my ds have a ton of food intolerances, but this is due to my passing on candida and leaky gut to them. most of the immune system is based in the gut, so i wonder if these sickly unvaxed children just have damaged guts.
post #33 of 38
That's a common thing for people to believe, but I didn't know doctors believed it. My friend's daycare tried to tell her she couldn't use an exemption because unvaccinated kids get too many colds and make the other kids sick all the time. And when we told the nurse at our last ped visit (new ped) that we didn't vax she said, "And how is that for you?" (or something else weird like that). When I asked her what she meant she said, "Well, does she get sick a lot?" Uh, judging by the fact that we've had zero sick visits in 18 months, I guess not.
post #34 of 38
My 3 year old is up to date on vaxxes, my 1 year old hasn't had any since the 2 month rounds. Neither of my kids get sick very often. Vaxxed DS has has four colds in his life, and one mild case of rotavirus. (He didn't have the rota vax) Unvaxxed DD has had three colds in her life.

My friend, who's kids are both fully vaxxed are ALWAYS sick with something. Ear infections, croup, colds. You name it, they get it. Even when my kids play with her kids, my kids never end up getting what they've had.

I think the difference is less about vaxxes and more about lifestyle. When her kids are sick, they drag them out and about all over town, so they seem to stay sick longer and then pick up the next germ while their immune systems are still down. When my kids get sick, we stay at home and drink lots of OJ and take extra naps.
post #35 of 38
I know a doctor who used to do tonsillectomies on every child he could cajol the parents into agreeing to the procedure with the reason that no tonsils = fewer colds.

Has anyone ever done a scientific study on this, or is this just his personal observation?
post #36 of 38
QUOTE=Pandme;12746260]My experience is that every vaxxed kid I know walks around with the perpetual sniffles and phlegm-y cough all winter long and my kid, while he catches the occasional cold, is the opposite. In fact, he's so healthy that my mom wonders if on the rare occasions his nose runs whether it means he's getting sick (it usually doesn't). Meanwhile, there are kids in our playgroups who are coughing and sniffling for weeks and weeks.[/QUOTE]


I agree. But I do sah with ds and if he has the slightest sniffle/fever, we do not go out in public. But ds rarely gets sick anyway.
post #37 of 38
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My experience is that every vaxxed kid I know walks around with the perpetual sniffles and phlegm-y cough all winter long and my kid, while he catches the occasional cold, is the opposite. In fact, he's so healthy that my mom wonders if on the rare occasions his nose runs whether it means he's getting sick (it usually doesn't). Meanwhile, there are kids in our playgroups who are coughing and sniffling for weeks and weeks.
Yes, yes and YES!!!!


I run a home daycare. All of my daycare kids are vaxed to the nines and they are ALWAYS sick. All winter long it is a 'snot-fest' here. It makes me insane.

My own kids, on the other hand have never been vaxed and "might" catch one cold all season that lasts about four days. And this is even with being around the "snot-fest" all winter.

Sorry, but I just can NOT believe that vaxed kids who have had their perfectly innate immune systems compromised are healthier than my kids. No way, no how.
post #38 of 38
Tell that to my ped, who always comments on how he NEVER sees my kids except for well baby/child checkups and always asks if they ever get sick! Yes, they get minor colds, no worse than any other child. And they've both had rotavirus, which they didn't need medical attention for. No real biggie. They are actually very healthy!
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