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post #41 of 121
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
That usually means someone is subscribing to the thread to lurk and read and gather info

-Angela
Ooh, neat! I was like "POPCORN? WHAT DOES POPCORN HAVE TO DO WITH CAR SEATS?!" I love all the smilies on MDC!
post #42 of 121
To keep him from unbuckling I have heard of people putting the velcro tape on the clip where you press to open, the harder side of the tape, not the softer side. It hurts their little fingers to try and open it then. Also, if you are crafty, you could maybe sew a little fabric cover for the clip the either snaps or buttons, something he can't yet undo. I am so very happy to hear you got your son a new seat, I have been thinking about your other post all day.
post #43 of 121
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Originally Posted by ilovemyavery View Post
If he is unbuckling the chest clip, I would work with rewards and consequences. I would not remove it, or flip it. American seats are crash tested with them and it is my understanding that in some cases the shoulder straps are further apart because of them. I'm not a big one on rewards- we didn't use them for potty learning, or really for much at all, but there are a handful of situations where I will reward and safety in the car is one! Maybe there is a special treat for not undoing the clip through out the ride? Starting with short trips and lots of reminders? Adjusting back to a harness might take a while, but hang in there! Don't let him convince you it's too tight either, that's another common complaint of re-harnessed kids! Great job on re-harnessing him mama!
I'm not a fan of rewards/bribing either but today we even tried it. The "bad" behavior is when he's throwing a fit over something he doesn't want to do... like go with mommy while daddy stays home... or after we had dropped his cousin off at pre-school and he wanted to keep playing with cousin. So it's not every time we're in the car and the unclipping/unbuckling is associated with some type of tantrum.

But today when we turned around and came home... I even tried bribing him. I told him we were going to buy xmas presents for daddy and that we'd buy him a new car... Ramone from the movie Cars... (favorite car right now) and he had zero interest in leaving with me.

Tomorrow is a new day... Daddy will be at work and we're going to the park at 11am for a play/mom date so we'll see how it all goes. I am hopeful because he likes visiting the park and I think the daddy love with be on the back burner since he should know daddy is working.

I'll keep you posted.

BTW, I finally watched one of the you tube videos about the car seat/booster thing. So so sad. I'm really glad I found all this out though.
post #44 of 121
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Originally Posted by snoopy5386 View Post
To keep him from unbuckling I have heard of people putting the velcro tape on the clip where you press to open, the harder side of the tape, not the softer side. It hurts their little fingers to try and open it then. Also, if you are crafty, you could maybe sew a little fabric cover for the clip the either snaps or buttons, something he can't yet undo. I am so very happy to hear you got your son a new seat, I have been thinking about your other post all day.
what a great idea!!!! Anyone have objections to this?!?
post #45 of 121
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Originally Posted by BeckC View Post
For your son I would look into the Graco Nautilus, the Britax Frontier, and the Britax Regent. For a 40 lb 2 year old I would really consider the Regent if it will fit in your budget and your car.
Why the regent over the frontier?
post #46 of 121
The Regent has the highest straps on the market in the US.
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post #48 of 121
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Originally Posted by gini1313 View Post
Why the regent over the frontier?
In the case of a 40lb 2yo you're going to want as high of a weight limit as possible if the child doesn't slow down. True that the Frontier also has hw limit, but the Regent does harness a lot longer because of the height of the slots.
post #49 of 121
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Originally Posted by Cekimon View Post
what a great idea!!!! Anyone have objections to this?!?
Nope, go ahead and try it!
post #50 of 121
Turning your child forward in a harness is the safest thing to do in your case. Only other option I can think of is a Swedish rear facing seats which will hold you son rear facing until 55 lbs. These seats keep kids rear facing to anything between 4 and 6 years of age.
post #51 of 121
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well i haven't had to try the velcro tape on him thankfully. Things have been going much smoother, thankfully. DH and I had a big parenting pow-wow about DS needing more quality dad time to make my day easier and yesterday DH spent the whole evening with DS just playing and hanging out. No pressure or activity... (like tonight we go to music class and dinner and grandma's but that's not really one-on-one time)

so my car rides have been easier. I'm surprised he didn't put a major fight over being re-harnessed but really glad. DH told him it's like a race car seat because race car drivers have this kind of buckle. He still unbuckles the chest clip when we get to where we are going and i remind him that only mommy should unbuckle him but at least he's stopped while the car is moving. i'm sure he'll give me problems again when another tantrum/issue arises but hopefully if we can go long enough without it, he'll forget this as being a way to be defiant and do something else.

But another reason why i posted is that I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to all of you moms for helping me get back on track with my car seat safety. i still can't believe i trusted the darn people at BRU. It's totally not like me to make decisions with such little thought and research but i've been a little crazier the last several months and i'm so glad I had you wonderful mamas helping me with all this great info!!!

Now I really feel way more confident in my son's safety in the car. I will certainly pass along this info in my mommy groups especially if I ever notice someone making the same mistake I was making!!

post #52 of 121


I'd suggest a Britax Frontier. you can harness til 80lbs and then you can use it with a seatbelt after that. Well worth the $$$.

post #53 of 121
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i still can't believe i trusted the darn people at BRU.
The thing to keep in mind...for the most part the salespeople & clerks at BRU are there for a paycheck, it's a temporary job, not a career choice....if you have a passion for carseats & carseat safety you're probably gonna go through the training to be a CPST (is that the right initials?) or car seat tech, you're not gonna go work for BRU....
post #54 of 121
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Originally Posted by Adventuredad View Post
I'm normally not a fan of harnessing kids forward facing but in your case it's the only way.
I'm sure I'm missing something here, and pardon me if I am, but what? I've done extensive research on this subject and this statement baffles my mind. I know that as with everything, car safety is ultimately the parent's decision, but this statement is ridiculous. For one thing, it's illegal to use a seat from a country other than the one you live in. For another thing, therefore, car seats in the United States (where the poster is from) only rear face, right now, to 35 pounds max. Even if you keep your child in the rear-facing position for as long as you can, for most kids it's only 3 years or so. (My 3 year 7 month old is small enough to rear face but she hasn't rear faced since the 30-lb limit of her seat was reached in August) Everything I've read suggests that a 3-year-old's skeleton is not strong enough to absorb crash impact when protected only by a seatbelt. In fact, there's conclusive research that the skeleton is not mature enough to be supported by only a booster seat until at least six years old. A child that is too small and immature to sit in a booster seat (like a two year old) is more likely to be ejected from the seat and die in a crash than a child harnessed in a car seat. So why, exactly, aren't you a "big fan of forward-facing harnessing" when it's clearly the safest thing for a child?
post #55 of 121
.....some studies suggest that harnessing ff puts strong loads on a young childs next, precisely because the harness holds them in place in the seat so well; their head is unrestrained and still flies forward w/ full force, so the neck is left to bear the full load instead of it being more spread though the body.
OTOH, because a booster /seat belt combo lets a kid move more, they are more likely to impact something else in the vehicle (seat in front of them for example).

A big difference too is between the two countries, when you can rf til 4,5,6 yrs old then the kid can understand better about sitting properly, keeping the belt in place, etc.
Also if you look up the Brio Zento, for example, which rf to 55 lbs and then becomes a ff booster seat....(others similiar, that's the only name I know though)...you can see that their boosters offer a much higher level of protection then our typical boosters.

For a 2yr old that must FF a harness is necesary largely because a 2 year old won't use a booster properly..... and proper use (along with proper fit) is a much bigger factor in safety than the type of seat used.

That's my understanding of it anyway.
post #56 of 121
I've seen those studies, too, but in a country where seats that can have a six-year-old rear facing are unavailable (and illegal!), it is irresponsible and unsafe to go straight from rear-facing to a booster seat. If we could, we would, but we cannot, and it's simply not safe.
post #57 of 121
I'm guessing he just means that he wishes we had higher weight limits for rearfacing, like they have in Europe, and that when the rfing limit has been reached, ffing in a 5pt harness in next.

Anyway, just another idea about the harness clip. I found that when I let dd help, she is much more agreeable. For example, I try to leave in lots of time so that she can climb into th car, sit herself in the seat and "help" with the buckles. This really helped when she was getting cranky about the car-rides and carseat - now she often lets me do it all without throwing a fit.

I too was shocked to discover the mis-information at BRU and even our health unit (who suggested I turn my 18mos old ffing - right after we discussed her weight of 18lbs (in Canada babes MUST be a minimum of 1 yo AND 20lbs to forward face). DD is 2 today and somewhere b/w 20-25lbs and still happily rfing!
post #58 of 121
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Originally Posted by black balloon View Post
I've seen those studies, too, but in a country where seats that can have a six-year-old rear facing are unavailable (and illegal!), it is irresponsible and unsafe to go straight from rear-facing to a booster seat. If we could, we would, but we cannot, and it's simply not safe.
Absolutely. I'm with you there. I would NOT put a 2 or 3 yr old in a booster at all, especially not our boosters. Just guessing that's the reason for the original statement. ...
post #59 of 121
The poster "AdventureDad" is in Sweden, so his children are able to rf to 55lbs. Hence his opinion.
post #60 of 121
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Everything I've read suggests that a 3-year-old's skeleton is not strong enough to absorb crash impact when protected only by a seatbelt. In fact, there's conclusive research that the skeleton is not mature enough to be supported by only a booster seat until at least six years old. A child that is too small and immature to sit in a booster seat (like a two year old) is more likely to be ejected from the seat and die in a crash than a child harnessed in a car seat. So why, exactly, aren't you a "big fan of forward-facing harnessing" when it's clearly the safest thing for a child?
Right and wrong. First, I apologize for not being clear enough in my last post. I said I wasn't a fan of harnessing kids forward facing. It should have read "harnessing older kids forward facing". Sorry about being unclear and thanks for pointing that out.

So let me make it clear, it's absolutely inappropriate to put a 2 or 3 year old in a booster. That's too young and it's unsafe.

You're totally right about not keeping a small child in a booser. But keeping a normal 4-5 year old in a good belt positioning booster is a safe as a harnessed seat taking all factors into consideration. The recommendation in Sweden is to NOT use any harnessed seats for older kids. Leading experts in the field who have been doing this for way longer than anyone else recommend booster ahead of harnessing for kids 4+. I know this goes against US recommendations but that doesn't mean they are wrong.

Anyway, the comparison of harnessing v. booster is irrelevant since any safety difference is small whatever you choose to believe. We shuld focus on rear facing isntead which is where the difference in safety is HUGE.

Using a Swedish, or should I say European seat since all are ECE R44 approved, is technically illegal. That's ironic since it's much safer. Keeping a two year old in a Britax Marathon or Swedish Britax Hi-Way is probably the same regarding safety. The advantage is the ability to rear face much longer, to 55 lbs.

Many kids outgrow seats by height first but that still means rear facing for a long time. And there are many kids who are big kids and are forced to forward face way sooner than desired.
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