Vaccines given without consent.

[MyBoyAramis]

I am a little worried about my friend's son. He has asthma and today his maternal great-grandparents took him to an asthma appointment. My friend couldn't take her son because she goes to school. She wanted to get his prescription changed.

Anyway, for about a month now she and her grandmother had been going back and forth about how she did not want her son to get a flu shot. Her grandmother kept pressing the issue about it until my friend said, "Remember he's my son, not yours." Or something along those lines.

Long story short, her Grandfather called her and told her that he got 5 vaccines. He didn't know that she didn't want him to get the flu shot. Her Grandmother knew, and she went to the appointment with them. Her son received the MMR, Varicella, two other and...you guessed it - the flu shot. My friend called me so pissed off. And you know what, he didn't even get his prescription changed. He didn't even get treated for his asthma, he just got loaded up on poisons.

I told her that she should monitor her son very closely since his immune system is going to be overwhelmed. She also told me that because of his vaccinations, he spikes a fever and has an asthma attack.

She knows that there is nothing to do now about the vaccines. But, should she call the doctor and complain that she did not give her consent? Fire him? What can she do now?

[kangaroomum25]

She knows that there is nothing to do now about the vaccines.

She can do vitamin c, probiotics, hvfclo, hvbo, etc.....

But, should she call the doctor and complain that she did not give her consent?

YES!

Fire him?

I would, but get the prescription filled first, that should be done over the phone for free.
I'm not sure what else can be done now, but I would not trust the grandparents again.

Was he suppose to get the other vaccines and just not the flu?

[MyBoyAramis]

She defintely did not want him to get the flu shot and the varicella vaccine. She said she did not see the point of it since she had gotten chicken pox as a child. She wanted him to go to a chicken pox party, too.

As far as the MMR and the others I believe she is still researching them. But she did not see the point of getting vaccines for an asthma appointment, hell I don't see that point either.

[Marnica]

No one but a parent or legal guardian can make medical decisions for a child. The fact that this doctor vaccinated without parental consent is quite frankly grounds for malpractice and a lawsuit. I would def call the office and explain why you are upset (I would never go back there) and I would consult a lawyer. As for the son, I would contact a homeopath or naturopath so that he can get started on a remedy that may be able to support his immune system and minimize any adverse effects.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

Unless the great gma's name is on papers there saying she can give consent for medical things then the mama can sue.

I would think again before ever letting the gma take her child to the Dr. again.

[MyBoyAramis]

Oh yeah. I don't think they're ever gonna take him to the Doc again. She's going to be scheduling appointments on her days off from school.

*Oh, just found out the great-grandparents are able to give consent, they're on the records. So I guess now, she just has to keep an eye on him. Btw, what does "hvfclo & hvbo" mean?

[lirpasirhc]

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[MyBoyAramis]

Oh okay. Thanks.

[AFWife]

Originally Posted by MyBoyAramis

*Oh, just found out the great-grandparents are able to give consent, they're on the records. So I guess now, she just has to keep an eye on him. Btw, what does "hvfclo & hvbo" mean?

Tell her to have them taken off ASAP or at least have their rights made more limited.

[Emmeline II]

I would take them off the records, and not leave the child alone with that Grandmother. I'd probably have to take a good long cooling off period before I let her visit again and it had better be preceded by an apology on the Grandmother's part.

[Arduinna]

Personally, no one takes my kid to the Dr except me. Period. Why she her grandparents on the kids records knowing that they don't support her right as the mother to have the final say in medical decisions of her child is astounding to me.

[MyBoyAramis]

Originally Posted by Arduinna

Personally, no one takes my kid to the Dr except me. Period. Why she her grandparents on the kids records knowing that they don't support her right as the mother to have the final say in medical decisions of her child is astounding to me.

Well her questioning vaccines is pretty recent. So he had been up to date already. She didn't start until I told her my son isn't vax'd. Her son is 4, they've been taking him since he was a baby. I guess because he had been up to date so far, they figured that she would not mind. However, her grandmother knew how she was feeling because they had exchanged words through e-mail. But, her grandmother can be very spiteful at times.

[spero]

Oh, I'd be FURIOUS. Hell, I'm furious just sitting here reading this. If the GGPs knew that the mom didn't want vaccinations ... and they went ahead and gave consent anyway ... oh, that is just unforgivable. It's a power play, pure and simple.

Originally Posted by Arduinna

Personally, no one takes my kid to the Dr except me. Period.

: And after reading some of these horror stories, no one but me ever will.

[MyBoyAramis]

It IS a power struggle. Apparently, her great-grandmother has issues with being in control, as in she has to be in control of everything.

I've been writing rebuttals to this lady's e-mails. She is completely ignoring the fact that she went behind the mother's back. She's putting the blame on her husband, when she was there and she could've opened her mouth about it since she knew how her granddaughter felt.

She is also ignoring the fact that she just injected her great-grandson with metals and toxins. Also, great-grandson is highly allergic to eggs. The flu shot contains egg protein, correct? She writes in the e-mail, "I'm sure the responsible doctor knows his allergy to eggs and gave him one without eggs." His allergist and Pediatrician are two different people. His Ped doesn't have any information on his allergies.

My friend is pissed and annoyed with the whole situation.

[cjuniverse]

Oh. My. GAWD.

This is my biggest fear with my grandmother watching my son during my ex's week (which she won't be anymore as ex has FINALLY enrolled him in daycare! .

I swear, OP, if anyone ever did anything like this to MY child without MY express consent, I could not be held responsible for the pure, piping WRATH and subsequent reactions that would occur. :censo red:c ensored

This is the biggest pile of *** I've ever heard. I don't care if they are on the papers. This is not their child, and the grandmother KNEW, fully, that this was not the wishes of her daughter. What if the poor child suffers a severe reaction (any reaction is bad, and should never happen, but what of the worst)? Is the grandmother going to assume emotional/financial responsibility for her arrogance and cruelty? Again, if it were me, and something happened, that woman would have a lifetime of medical bills and emotional shaming the likes of which have rarely been seen. She would PAY for ruining my precious child's health and sentencing him to a lifetime of illness/possibly DEATH.

OH MY GAWD. I cannot believe this!!! I can't say specifically what the OP should do, but I guarantee you it ain't nice, pretty, or within the confines of the UA. :

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by MyBoyAramis

She writes in the e-mail, "I'm sure the responsible doctor knows his allergy to eggs and gave him one without eggs." His allergist and Pediatrician are two different people. His Ped doesn't have any information on his allergies.

That is beside the point gma.

She knew she was going against the expressed wishes of his mother and had no business making medical decisions for that child. I might add "you have violated my trust and will not be permitted the opportunity to do so again."

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• Hypersensitivity to eggs, egg proteins, gentamicin, gelatin or arginine or life threatening reactions
to previous influenza vaccination. (4.1)
• Concomitant aspirin therapy in children and adolescents. (4.2)

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Severe hypersensitivity to egg proteins or any component of the vaccine or life-threatening reactions after previous administration of any influenza vaccine (4)

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

As far as I know there is no flu shot without eggs because my dd has egg allergy and cannot have the flu shot and when I tell the Ped. this they have never offered an alternative without it and I know they would if it was available.

He is very lucky he didnt have a major reaction to it. DD is only mildly egg allergic but the shot could put her into repritory arrest.
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_.../mmr_ii_pi.pdf

Warning

Hypersensitivity to Eggs
Live measles vaccine and live mumps vaccine are produced in chick embryo cell culture.

MMR uses egg in manufacturing as well and can cause anaphalaxis. That one dd did get and she almost passed out from it I didnt know she had the egg allergy at that time or she would never have gotten that one either.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by MCatLvrMom2A&X

As far as I know there is no flu shot without eggs because my dd has egg allergy and cannot have the flu shot and when I tell the Ped. this they have never offered an alternative without it and I know they would if it was available.

I remember hearing that a huge problem in manufacturing this vaccine is that they can only get it to grow using a chicken medium and it is delicate slowwwwwwww work.

[Ruthla]

Why on earth does the pediatrician NOT know about the child's allergies? The allergist should have forwarded all test results to the child's PCP!

And yeah, the grandparents should never, ever take the child to the dr again. Maybe they shouldn't even babysit, but I don't know if this mama has any other options, or if the grandparents are otherwise unsafe or disregard other rules the mama makes.

[MyBoyAramis]

Wow.

Her grandmother sent her an e-mail stating - "Your grandfather knew how you felt and still intended to take him in for his shots." (Even though it was an Asthma appointment.)

Wooooooooow. I'm in shock. HOW SHADY!