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post #1 of 29
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My 14 mo old daughter is turning into a nightmare. She's always been very sensitive, needed a lot of attention and care (pretty bad silent reflux), constantly breastfeed, held/worn all the time, walked/danced to sleep. At 3 mo. I decided to leave my job and become a SAHM because she required constant caretaking (thankfully we could do this). It feels like I devote every minute of every day to trying to get her to be able to sleep, carefully orchestrating feeding times, activities, stimulation, etc to maximize sleep. I keep track, write things down, I study her carefully. She does not show any sleepy signs until overtired, so I go by the clock, but even that is hit or miss. It feels like an art form to get her to sleep. I am worried because stroller walking to sleep is not going to be an option for us anymore once the snow hits. :

Lately, even with all this, she still cannot get enough sleep to be rested and her behavior is deteriorating. She used to be fairly calm and manageable, even when super tired, but now throws tantrums constantly, is basically acting like a spoiled brat. I know she's just tired, but this doesn't help the toll it's taking on her, on me, on my husband, and on our marriage. Part of this is toddler stuff, but it seems exaggerated by her chronic fatigue. We've been hanging in there, waiting for things to get better, all throughout the first year. My health has been horrible. I have had physical and emotional breakdowns. (Please don't make this about PPD, been there, done that). We fight. No sex. After the last fight, my poor husband ended up on the floor of the closet sobbing. He just can't take it anymore. EVERYTHING I have goes to our daughter.

We have done CIO twice. Once at 5 months I was at the point where I was no longer physically capable of responding to her hourly night wakings, and DH refused to go to her. We believed her reflux was being controlled by the meds, but she was so overtired she screamed constantly whether held, soothed, or not. (We could not co-sleep because she had to sleep at 30 degree incline because of the reflux. And when I tried to sleep with her in her crib on the incline, she fussed and cried and pushed my away.) The CIO was absolutely horrible but very effective. Then we tried it again later (at 8 mo??) and it was equally horrible, not effective at all, and required a good month of working with her to not cry whenever we went in her room. It was that result that has allowed me to stave off my DH's repeated requests for more CIO.

Of course we never wanted to do that. But I was doing every single thing in every parenting book I could find and nothing was working. Pantley was working for a few weeks but the steps were taking so long to achieve (1 half step in about 2 weeks) that whatever progress we made was obliterated by teething episodes, colds, reflux breakthroughs, etc. She is extremely bothered by teething, episodes can last 2-4 weeks. Currently getting incisors in (horrible). She has never accepted a lovey, pacifier, or teether. I am all of these. The doctors say there is nothing medically wrong with her. I used to get her checked out all the time, until the drs said, THERE IS NOTHING PHYSICALLY WRONG WITH THIS CHILD!!!! and then I took her to chiropractor, accupressure, ND. There is nothing wrong with her except that she is very, very sensitive to everything. How much of this is her nature and how much is an exaggerated response to everything because she is so so SO tired? When she is well rested she is an absolute joy. Patient, resourceful, loving, funny, playful, can play independently, pleasantly follows simple rules and directions. Unfortunately I am seeing this less and less.


I have no issues meeting her needs. If I could meet them, I would. But it's not working and as a result in order to get through the days we have developed coping/calming strategies for her. At first I didn't mind (lots of breastfeeding, extra baths, making a game out of feeding her, etc). Actually there were many weeks where the only thing that calmed her down was BFing in the tub. She could not fall asleep, but would at least calm down. Now it's to the point where we are basically teaching her she can get whatever she wants by screaming for it (imagine typical horrible grocery store scene.. and I only shop with her when I have to - I don't drag her around everywhere.). I don't have the energy to fight her. I am not enjoying those days one bit, and it's feeling like every day. When I saw children like this, before I had a child, I would say "I am never going to allow my child to act like that."


I am writing this to ask for advice, and also to ask for clarification on what attachment parenting means. I find it hard to believe AP would support a child acting this way, giving her whatever she wants, when what she really needs is sleep. (And again, if she would co-sleep, I would. If she would let me soothe her to sleep, I would...she just cries.) I started out being of the Baby Whisperer mindset. Schedules, routine, but no CIO, no "props". Then with her reflux I read more about AP and began adopting it. It worked, it made sense, it felt better than to fight her. I still use a "flexible schedule" and I am all about routine, routine, routine, but I don't force it if it's not working. I give her what I think she needs. DH and I argue/fight about this all the time. But now I am coming around to his point of view because it just feels like we've created a monster. She has learned to fall asleep only when she is utterly exhausted, and relies on our calming strategies to get through the rest of the day. Now that she is becoming a toddler her frustrations are increasing and these strategies are no longer enough. So what does AP say about this? Also please dont give the old line of "well even with AP if you are losing your mind, it's OK to set her in the crib to cry for a minute while you collect yourself." But what if I am feeling like this every day, several times a day, isn't that just CIO? And isn't CIO better than divorced parents (we have discussed separation.) And BTW I very rarely act out any frustration on her. I breathe deeply, keep my voice pleasant, put on music, let it go, talk in a calm voice, move slowly/gently, etc. But lately I've been feeling short tempered, resentful, angry, at my wits end, and it's harder for me to hide it.


Any recommended reading?
post #2 of 29
this is going to be short, but my have you tired letting go of the sleep expectations and making sure she gets enough exercise and stimulation and drag her everywhere? she sounds a lot little my now 2 year old who is highly social and NEEDS "insanity" duriing the day or she doesn't sleep. First words out her mouth in the morning are "car ride?".
post #3 of 29
What is her vaccine history?
post #4 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thank you, Tina, that has been our M.O. too on many days. But she's just so bleary eyed and cranky, I feel bad for her. It can't be fun.

Good question, Kiddoson. We did all the standard ones up to 6 months. She had horrible reactions. The first time screamed NONSTOP afterward. After that we gave her Motrin everytime, but needed it even a few days afterward in order to sleep. I thought it was because she was sensitive to the pain but then I started reading more and understood more about the load of junk her body was trying to process. I have not read Sears' vaccine book, but have read about it including threads here. I have delayed doing any of her 12 mo. vaccines because I don't know what to do, she had been doing better at about 9-10 months and I didn't want to make things worse again (if indeed vaccines had anything to do with anything). I need more info, especially scientific studies, unbiased sources, etc. My dr. is supportive of spacing them out but I cannot get single dose vials anywhere, I've called all around. All peds who I have consulted (4) say that it is irresponsible not to vaccinate at all. I would love any suggestions you have for info, etc.
post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 
Also I am sorry for sounding like a rant. I've done it before and you'd think I would learn... I write for help when I am soooo beat-down and then it just sounds like I'm slamming AP but I'm not. I just feel like a failure. I feel like strong AP proponents think that any child can be happy with AP style parenting and that I *must* be doing *something* wrong. I have not found anywhere anything to tell me what to do when you are at the end of the road, or rather, at the edge of the cliff. I have turned my life inside-out and upside-down for this child. I have given her everything that I have. I have nothing left.
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by mellowjello View Post
Good question, Kiddoson. We did all the standard ones up to 6 months. She had horrible reactions. The first time screamed NONSTOP afterward. After that we gave her Motrin everytime, but needed it even a few days afterward in order to sleep. I thought it was because she was sensitive to the pain but then I started reading more and understood more about the load of junk her body was trying to process. I have not read Sears' vaccine book, but have read about it including threads here. I have delayed doing any of her 12 mo. vaccines because I don't know what to do, she had been doing better at about 9-10 months and I didn't want to make things worse again (if indeed vaccines had anything to do with anything). I need more info, especially scientific studies, unbiased sources, etc. My dr. is supportive of spacing them out but I cannot get single dose vials anywhere, I've called all around. All peds who I have consulted (4) say that it is irresponsible not to vaccinate at all. I would love any suggestions you have for info, etc.
I would start at the vaccine forum here. then www.909shot.com I have my own opinion on what is irresponsable. You may want to consider detoxing any metals in your lo. also have you done probiotics? works wonders, the gut is essentially the immune system, be sure to get refrigerated stuff from a whole foods market. Let me know if I can help further.
post #7 of 29
First my advice is stop trying to fulfill all of your daughters needs. This is an impossible task. As an AP mom, you are there to love, guide, care for, protect and respect your child. AP is not about giving into your child's every desire and whim. If that were the case my kids would have cookies for breakfast, play Super Mario until midnight and they'd never get around to that bath. Life is about compromises and teaching your children how to be strong, confident and loving people means that learning to repectfully live with other people is a part of that.

I agree with tinahiggins about letting her sleep issues go. My younger son did not sleep and spent quite a few months making us miserable. But once we all decided to just get on with our day he came around and began to enjoy being out and about. A great baby carrier like the Ergo made a huge difference.

My advice is for you and your daughter to find a new way to relate to each other. It's going to be hard. There will be tears and temper tantrums on both sides. But if you use some basic parenting tools like distraction, re-directing and just showing empathy and comraderie while she struggles with not getting her way you 2 will find a new way to relate to each other (I have spent quiet a bit of time on the floor being pounded by tiny little fists as they raged at me, but they tired and we eventually found a new way to solve our problems). It's going to take time and a lot of patience but I swear it will pass. In my experience any major change in a young child's life takes about 2 weeks for a full adjustment.

Be strong mama!
post #8 of 29
Also, 14 mos is a difficult time in general. The are beginning to realize there IS a world beyond mommie and daddy, and want to be part of it so badly it makes them a little upset.
It sounds like you are a fairly organized person in your personal life, yes? Take each day one step at a time. Is she walking? Time for a snack tray. Let her feed herself. Babies need to get messy.
Why were you doing Pantly? No matter what anyone says, I don't think a child has ever nursed itself to sleep the day before it goes off to college. Same deal with sleeping in your bed. Besides, laying on a parent's arm is about a 30 degree angle. And it may be that all she needs is you close.
Where does she sleep? That was the age my daughter would fall asleep on the dog bed, stuffed in between the desk and the wall, on the couch, whereever. If I was during the day, I'd just let her be, and at night I'd scoop her up and take her to bed with me.
Pretty much all teething lasts 2-4 weeks, at least it has in my two, one who still gets up at night at 2 years old, and the other who sleeps from 9 until 7.30 at 9 mos. Different children, different sleep.
I suspect you and your husband are both going through the "where did my life go?" stage. . . and I don't really have any words of wisdom about that. I do know when I accepted that my life was utter chaos and my house wasn't going to be clean and they wouldn't EVER do what I thought they would, things got much easier to deal with.
post #9 of 29
She sounds a lot like my dd who is now almost 3. You mentioned reflux, have you looked into food intolerance? I finally put two and two together when my dd was almost a year old and took her off of all dairy. Her sleep and her mood improved drastically. Don't get me wrong, she is still a very sensitive, sassy and demanding girl but there was a major change in her mood and her sleep once I removed dairy from our diets. Hugs, it's hard.
post #10 of 29
Your dd sounds very much like my ds.

That transition to toddler is hard. Around that age, I found out that AP wasn't just about doing whatever it takes to keep them from crying but listening and responding to their actual needs, separating them from their wants and helping them deal with their larger-than-life reactions and emotions.

I agree with letting go of sleep expectations. It's so easy to get into the mindset that things 'should' be going a certain way and then when they don't, you just end up angry and frustrated. What if you just accept that things are going to be difficult right now - that she is going to fight sleep, that it's going to take some time to get her to sleep and for right now, that is okay. Or that she is not going to sleep right away and that is okay too. And that that is not due to some failing on your part as a parent. You can worry about changing things once you get into a better state of mind. This was a real sanity saver for me. I had a big problem with the Baby Whisperer because I had that phrase in my head - "start as you mean to go on" - and I thought I believed it. Once I realized that just because things are like that today doesn't mean they will always be like that or that we can't change them, I started feeling better. Not completely better but it helped a lot. One day - sometimes one hour - at a time.

We have always known at LEAST a month in advance when ds was teething (even if we didn't recognize it as that). He was a completely different child at those times. At that age, he was getting all 4 incisors AND all 4 molars in (yeah, fun times). I bet that is affecting her mood and sleep as well.

I don't know if any of this helps or makes sense - it's 5am and I'm up because I have a cold and can't breathe - but I wanted to let you know you are not alone. These things come in phases and just when you think you're going crazy, something new will happen and you'll have a different set of challenges. Good luck!
post #11 of 29
You have not created a monster! On the contrary, this little girl is lucky to have you as a mama. She could have gotten someone who would just punish her instead of trying to figure out what's wrong!

Reflux is often associated with food intolerances as are strong reactions to vaccines. So try eliminating the most common culprits-dairy and wheat from your diet as well as hers. It's not easy, foods you would never imagine have casein or gluten in them. Also, a pediatrician can test for allergies, but intolerances don't necessarily show up on the tests; even if you get her tested, you should still do an elimination diet. Do your research, definitely stop the vacccines, and don'tgive up looking for the culprit. Your daughter is not a monster, nor did you spoil her into this behavior. But there is somthing wrong and when you find it things will only get better.
post #12 of 29
This is also just a short post to encourage you to try the probiotics and perhaps also consider an elimination diet for both of you (if you are still nursing her).

My DD's sleep and overall life (and thus ours) improved dramatically once we found out she's allergic to eggs (testing) and sensitive to tomato, citrus and strawberries. Try the Allergies Forum for details.

Best wishes to you....my DD calls!
post #13 of 29
Big hug to you!!!!! The first baby is so hard never mind a sensitive first baby. I don't know how far this will sink in or impact you coming from a stranger but "YOU ARE NOT CREATING A MONSTER!!" You're daughter just is who she is. She is a sensitive child, maybe has allergy/vaccine issues etc but you are not spoiling her or causing her to act this way. You sound like a loving, attentive mom in need of some good advice (such as above) and perhaps marriage counseling? My DH and I went about 1 yr into our first baby cause the sleep deprivation was driving us to fight/argue ALL the time. I really feel for you. My DD was never sensitive like yours (so much easier) and STILL it was crazy hard- I can't imagine what you are going through. The second was so much easier because all my expectations of me being a "good/perfect mom" were gone. I knew that putting a child on a "routine" was much easier said than done. I knew that sleep would eventually happen and that I wasn't to blame if it took forever. I discovered that I could trust that little baby to let me know what it needed and to try to go with the flow. And we both discovered that kids completely turn the world upside-down and inside-out and that we would be ok on this new path. I really, really feel for you and hope you find some answers here. Please take care of yourself and do consider seeing a professional to help get you guys back on track.
post #14 of 29
Hugs to you, mama. Your DD sounds a lot like mine. She was a high needs baby from birth, and she still is a high needs child at age 4. She's always been intense, demanding of a lot of attention, a poor sleeper, very sensitive, and somewhat anxious.

I had a lot of help from my mother when she was an infant, and wouldn't have survived without it. In fact, I feel like I barely survived even *with* it. There were lots of teary days and days when I really felt like it was unfair that other people's kids were sleeping through the night without having to do CIO, eating solids well, entertaining themselves for short periods of time during the day, etc, and I had to hold and/or BF my child all the time, pretty much day or night, or she'd be screaming. I had basically no time to myself to do anything, and I'm lucky that she was the first child so I didn't have anyone else to look after. I was not able to cook, clean, or do anything around the house, and DH just accepted that he had to make dinner when he got home.

I'm not sure if she ever had reflux, as she didn't appear to be in pain, but just fussy, and would get overtired all the time because she just fought sleep all the time.

I was less AP then than I am now, and was reading mainstream parenting and sleep books, which, in hindsight, was one of the worst things I could have done. I did CIO at 6 months because I honestly felt like I couldn't take another day of getting up every hour in the night, plus having her only nap for 20 minutes at a time (when I tried to nap with her, she would wake up just as I was drifting off - it was awful). I was a zombie and couldn't function. She did end up sleeping better, and would only wake up once at night for a nursing session, which I gladly gave her because it was soooo much better than before.

I think Dr Sears is a fairly good resource, and offers tips on how to survive even with older children to take care of in addition to the baby who doesn't sleep. Take it with a grain of salt, and just do 'what works for you right now'.

The other thing is that just do your best. You can't do everything that she wants, and there will be tears and tantrums. She will turn out OK in the end, even if there are times she is left crying in her crib because you are in the next room hitting your head against the wall.

Is it possible to get some paid or family help to just let you get some much needed sleep? Even one good solid nap each week would probably do wonders if you are sleep deprived. I remember thinking that I would have needed 3 nannies to work around the clock, plus a cook/maid, plus me to soothe and entertain DD, and not have any of the adults be stressed or sleep deprived.

Good luck.
post #15 of 29
My daughter's only seven months old, but I feel like she has the same temperament. I don't think you are doing anything wrong by being sensitive to her needs. I started to think that was the problem too, that I was "giving in" too much. But I think she would just be an intense baby no matter what and being sensitive doesn't make her worse. What helped me was realizing how much my aggravated mood aggravates her restlessness. I try to get some down time every day, even if it means passing her off to husband for a little bit. Once i did that I was able to be more energetic and play with her more, which made her happier. Seeing her happy made me want to make her more confident in my mothering skills, which made me not yell at my husband as soon as he walked in the door...they say if you are in a spiral you only need to do one thing to change the direction of the spiral. In my case it was just getting some rr and are that did it.
hang in there and know that you just have a sensitive, high needs baby, and that you are doing a good job.
Another thing that helped was giving her physical play too, tickle time, and letting her stand up more(i don't know what it would be for a 14 month old).
Once I was more rested I started tuning into her needs a lot easier, which really helped because even at her age she's really vocal about what she wants.
Sounds like yours is too. What seems like "monster" might be a very assertive girl. In my situation I try to remember that, in the long run, that's what I want my daughter to be when she grows up so I try not to squelch that fiery spirit. Not like I can!!
Sounds like you have a few more issues going on than I did with the acid reflux, but the personality thing sounds the same. I think the only thing you can do is cope as best you can and try not to second-guess yourself.
I really feel for you in your situation and I wish you the best.
post #16 of 29


Sounds like your DD is in pain. Is there anything more that can be done for the reflux? And I would be generous with the motrin and homeopathic teething remedies. For some babies teething is incredibly painful--there were times with my DD that I felt it bordered on cruel that all we had to offer was Motrin, it seemed like she needed something stronger.

I would also continue to introduce a pacifier. Just keep it present. Show her what it's for and maybe she'll accept it. Same with a lovey. My DD took forever to pick a lovey but she did get attached to one around 10-11 months. Pick something and use it whenever you nurse and play with it with DD and make her laugh so she has positive associations--the playing is what seemed to really bond DD to her lovey.

Also, as pp said you can't do everything and be everything for your DD anymore. You need to step back and let her experience some frustration and figure out some coping skills on her own. She needs to learn some self-reliance although not necessarily with bedtime just yet. But when she pitches a fit, let her work it out. Offer verbal assurance but don't step in and rescue her from herself. It's painful as a momma to watch, but the tantruming and fussing is normal. She's not a newborn where every cry must be attended to.

And if it helps, my DD is a mess right now too. She's very sensitive and easily frustrated right now. Everything is reason to be upset. Some of it is the age I think.

As for the sleep, I don't really know. I think the reflux could be a major problem. I have GERD (reflux for adults) and it is very painful without medication. Like it hurts enough that without meds I don't know if I would want to live. Like broken glass burning in my gut. It's horrible. I can't sleep when I feel like that. I can't imagine how reflux feels for an infant.

HTH
V
post #17 of 29
A few things..
It seems to me that you are very well-informed, I don't think you need any more baby books, just some rest so that you are refreshed enough to decide which "method “I to go along with, although I'm more in favor of doing whatever works in the moment, that you won't feel guilty about later. I always ask myself "If she's sixteen and in her room sniffing glue and listening to violent music how will I feel looking back on this decision?”
It sounds like you are in a crisis mode. Don't do anything big. Try to make minor adjustments with the aim of making yourself feel better. Maybe you can let a few things slide while you take a bath... maybe have your husband take her for a car ride to the grocery store while you take a nap... maybe try to find a position of nursing her that allows you the to doze a little bit while nursing her...
I'm pretty sure that the medical community advises against CIO, especially if there is any kind of medical condition involved.
It seems to me that your husband is the one pushing cio, but will it help or put more stress on you? If you feel it's not the right thing to do you have the final say, you are the primary care giver.
I can't speak directly to AP, I just do what feels best to me and cio goes against my instincts. Maybe it works for some people, but I don't think the decision to cio should be made in crisis mode.
Can you and your husband make a pact not to talk about divorce for a set amount of time? Again, that's just something that's going to make the situation a whole lot worse, not better. It sounds like just talking about it is adding more stress for you right now.
Best of luck to you. I wish I could be more helpful
post #18 of 29
Big hugs to you. How is it going?

I found that period of time very frustrating. The following helped us so, overall:

Baby signs - for communicating and laughing and fun.

Setting set times for meals (I got this out of Sleepless in America, which I think is a great book although it might make you freak out about sleep and I agree with PPs - relaxing as much as possible is helpful.) For whatever reason, setting the meals in stone helped us a lot with sleep.

Physical exercise in the morning, as early as possible. Bundle up and play in the snow, walks, indoor walks at museums, etc.

Sensory play every. day. - sand, water, "rice tray," baths, whatever.

I think it was around then that we transitioned to one nap.

If you can stomach more book recommendations the highly sensitive child (?) might help.

It will be ok. You are not creating a monster.
post #19 of 29
I know I'm responding to your post a lot, but I just thought of one more thing that helped...
With my daughter, since she's so sensitive to wetness I use training pants instead of diapers so that it's easier for me to know when she needs a changing instead of guessing. I don;t know about you but for me when you nurse as much as I do there's a lot of pee. I can't tell you how many times I've thought about taking her to the doctor because oh my gosh she's fussing again and I just fed her and I just changed her and she just woke up from her nap, there must be something wrong with her. turns out she had a wet bottom. Also, again, if your daughter is anything like mine, she'll fuss a little bit right before she pees. Leaving her diaperless helped me identify a major part of her fussiness.
post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 

Update

Thank you, everyone for your kind and thoughtful responses! Things are much better now. I have stood my ground with DH and we've had a rough go but now he is willing to see my side of things and trust that I'm doing the right thing. It's been so hard for him to see her acting like that and feel like "she's getting away with" behaving that way. He was raised very strictly and so with her out of control it actually illicits a panic response in him, that someone is going to come in and set things straight, that things are out of control when she acts like that, he's waiting for some hammer to come down like what happened when he was a kid. It has helped to talk through this with him.

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:Around that age, I found out that AP wasn't just about doing whatever it takes to keep them from crying but listening and responding to their actual needs, separating them from their wants and helping them deal with their larger-than-life reactions and emotions.
This is exactly what I was struggling with. Now that she is a month or more older, I can see it more clearly and it is much easier for me to separate. I got some child development books to help explain age appropriate expectations to DH.

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I had a big problem with the Baby Whisperer because I had that phrase in my head - "start as you mean to go on" - and I thought I believed it. Once I realized that just because things are like that today doesn't mean they will always be like that or that we can't change them, I started feeling better. Not completely better but it helped a lot. One day - sometimes one hour - at a time.
Same thing here, it has been a long struggle to rise above that and see that for us it is different. Her struggles are not about "bad habits" but about her sensivity and needs. She's different. I've always known that. I question myself when DH starts falling apart, but I do believe there are reasons for her struggles.

We had been on almost total elim diet (no dairy, wheat, soy, fish, shellfish, nuts, but added back corn and legumes) for about a year. But then I added back dairy in my diet and she seemed to be fine so I started giving cow's milk to her directly and that seemed to be fine for a few weeks until I noticed her having symptoms of GI trouble at night. So we stopped dairy. Also, I added wheat back and again, noticed a delayed reaction. Actually we are off all gluten now for about a month and she seems to be sleeping better, although still not great.

Another change we made was to get her off of Nexium. That has been HUGE. For so long she needed it in order to sleep at all, and we were afraid to try to take her off again, but this time she seemed to not have to much trouble weaning off onto Zantac (except some days of bad headaches) and then from there reduce the Zantac to nighttime only and no headaches. Now off the Nexium, she is *much* less anxious,fussy, and combative. She is asking to nurse much less (it was about every hour) and seems to be digesting her food better. I saw those changes just over the few days that the Nexium was leaving her system, it was pretty amazing.

Teething also has been difficult. I have been trying really hard to stay away from Tylenol or Ibu because of relationship to her GI issues, but got some dairy free Hylands gel that we are using up like we own stock in it. Seems to help. Was getting 3 molars in and 2 incisors all at the same time, now working on her last 3 teeth and I say bring it, girl, just get them all and be done!!!

Thanks again to all of you.
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