what do vaccine reactions initially loook like?

[newclementine]

We are doing selective/delayed vaccinations and just got our first shot----we got the HIB, the baby is 10 wks. Vaccinating him was a hard decision for us, we have read a lot of information and are trying to make informed choices.

My question today is --- I have read about babies getting bad fevers, sleeping a lot, and acting crabby after they are vaccinated, and I have read about children developing autoimmune diseases and autism spectrum disorders and learning disabilites that are detected later in life. But I am wondering what a bad reaction, besides those mentioned above, looks like in the days following the vaccine. I would really like to watch my son carefully for any adverse reactions but I want to make sure I know what I'm looking for.

I would appreciate hearing about any personal experiences.
thanks in advance!

[Gitti]

Each vaccine can cause different reactions. They are described in the vaccine insert papers which are on line.

And for some vaccines, the first would not cause a reaction since the body is not prepared for the onslaught ,but the second shot will cause a reaction, and the third shot can kill.

[alegna]

Possible early reactions could include:

redness, swelling or hardness at injection site
screaming
fever
loss of skills
listlessness
apnea

I would never vaccinate an infant that young. Especially for something that is basically not circulating.

Are you familiar with serotype replacement?

-Angela

[Honey693]

DD had some of her 2 month shots today and the only thing she had was the tiredness and a very very slight fever (99.5). She fell asleep on the way home from the office and slept from 10am to now with awake breaks to eat, but nowhere near her normal awake time.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by alegna

Possible early reactions could include:

redness, swelling or hardness at injection site
screaming
fever
loss of skills
listlessness
apnea

I would never vaccinate an infant that young. Especially for something that is basically not circulating.

Are you familiar with serotype replacement?

-Angela

I would add seizures to that list as well

[alegna]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I would add seizures to that list as well

you read my mind... I actually PUT seizures on the list then took them off... I thought that would be pretty obvious.

-Angela

[newclementine]

Thanks for the feedback, like I said earlier, I've found a lot of reports of reactions but not a lot of specifics. After taking the HIB vaccine, my baby had a slight fever (up one degree) and was very cranky.

Originally Posted by Marnica

I would add seizures to that list as well

I have been doing some research on seizures as well. In my reading it looks like seizures from vaccines are caused by a high fever. Does anyone have experiences with seizures from vaccines on their own (ie: without the fever)? If so, I would be interested in hearing about it.

As for the pp's comment about vaccines building up in the baby's system----the comment about the first time not causing a reaction, the second time causing one and the third time causing death-------is this the common experience of others? (perhaps not the death part as that might not be as common) What I mean is, do most babies have reactions with the second and subsequent doses and not the first?

I know that a lot of MDC posters are completely anti-vax, but we have decided to do them selectively. I'm asking my questions here for that reason, to hear those opinions. I may be opening up a big can of worms from those who are anti, but so be it. I value the information.

[lmk1]

Originally Posted by newclementine

As for the pp's comment about vaccines building up in the baby's system----the comment about the first time not causing a reaction, the second time causing one and the third time causing death-------is this the common experience of others? (perhaps not the death part as that might not be as common) What I mean is, do most babies have reactions with the second and subsequent doses and not the first?

Ds's was cranky after his first HIB shot, but not with any of them (HIB) afterwards. We're selectively delaying as well, and it really is a tough decision. Have you read The Vaccine Book by Sears? It lists all the reactions, and is really helpful when making your vacc decisions.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by newclementine

Thanks for the feedback, like I said earlier, I've found a lot of reports of reactions but not a lot of specifics. After taking the HIB vaccine, my baby had a slight fever (up one degree) and was very cranky.



I have been doing some research on seizures as well. In my reading it looks like seizures from vaccines are caused by a high fever. Does anyone have experiences with seizures from vaccines on their own (ie: without the fever)? If so, I would be interested in hearing about it.

As for the pp's comment about vaccines building up in the baby's system----the comment about the first time not causing a reaction, the second time causing one and the third time causing death-------is this the common experience of others? (perhaps not the death part as that might not be as common) What I mean is, do most babies have reactions with the second and subsequent doses and not the first?

I know that a lot of MDC posters are completely anti-vax, but we have decided to do them selectively. I'm asking my questions here for that reason, to hear those opinions. I may be opening up a big can of worms from those who are anti, but so be it. I value the information.

There is at least one mom here who's child now has a PERMANENT seizure disorder triggered by vaccines. Seizures totally unrelated to fever.

And yes, it is very common to have increasing reactions.

I am personally allergic/reactive to the tetanus vax. And my reactions INCREASED with every dose.

-Angela

[alegna]

Originally Posted by newclementine

I know that a lot of MDC posters are completely anti-vax, but we have decided to do them selectively. I'm asking my questions here for that reason, to hear those opinions. I may be opening up a big can of worms from those who are anti, but so be it. I value the information.

Many people think I'm completely anti-vax, but I'm not. I'm all about the evidence.

Along those lines, is there a reason you decided to give a vaccine with such limited usefulness (Hib cases have dropped to nearly nil, serotype replacement, hib is USUALLY a nothing-illness) to such a young baby?

-Angela

[maia71]

If you're breastfeeding HIB is not necessary. I researched this vax extensively and read a study--I believe it was conducted in a Scandinavian country--that compared the rate of HIB in breastfed and formula fed childrern. There were no cases of HIB in the EBF babies.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I would add seizures to that list as well

and death, SIDS, per the UCLA School of Public Health report done in 1986 for the DPT.

http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/77/8/945

The Pertussis portion of that vaccine is different now. However, the medical community knew that the P portion was neurotoxic. A cursory reading of many medical journals from 1940 shows that a dispute raged over how neurotoxic it was. It was finally changed to the aP in 1996.

[TsuaSai]

Originally Posted by newclementine

Does anyone have experiences with seizures from vaccines on their own (ie: without the fever)? If so, I would be interested in hearing about it.

This is not about my baby but my cousin baby that I am close with. His started after his six month shots. They got his shots that morning by that evening he was having his first seizure. They went to the ER and were told it would wear off and just a reaction to the DTaP. From there he lost all the skills he had developed almost crawling, sitting up, ect. Wouldn't make eye contact, smile, nothing. He had about three seizures a day it would look like he was repeatedly being punched in the stomach. Would last for 30 second to a minute. One of the saddest things I have ever seen. After he had seizure he would normally pass a stool.

At one and a half years I flew with her to San Francisco to see Dr. Randall Neustadter. He saw us for a few hours with in that he preformed acupuncture on him from there he pooped that day and it was the first time he had pooped in a year without a seizure happening before. He also smiled the next day it was pretty cool to see it all happening. He gave him so different herbs to take I forget which ones.

He is now getting close to 3yr he hasn't had a seizure in almost a year. He still isn't walking or crawling yet. He does hold his own food now and can drink out of a straw. He also smiles more and will make eye contact. He hasn't been vaxs since. He seems to be starting to pick things up slowly. I don't know if he will ever be a "normal" kid. Or if at some point he will be caught up. Only time will tell. He hasn't been diagnosed with autism. But something isn't right...

My DD is 8 month old and unvaxed. With it being her cousin it his close to home. Plus whatever it is that caused that in him I would hate to think she could have the same thing.

"""Sorry we are near nap time and I didn't get to read over this and was typing fast. So if something doesn't make sense.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by newclementine

Does anyone have experiences with seizures from vaccines on their own (ie: without the fever)? If so, I would be interested in hearing about it.

Yes, my sister had a seizure after her first DTP (whole cell) at three months old. Thankfully, my mother had the sense not to give her another vaccine of any kind and she was/is fine -- she is 38 now .

[ericswifey27]

Originally Posted by newclementine

Thanks for the feedback, like I said earlier, I've found a lot of reports of reactions but not a lot of specifics. After taking the HIB vaccine, my baby had a slight fever (up one degree) and was very cranky.

I have been doing some research on seizures as well. In my reading it looks like seizures from vaccines are caused by a high fever. Does anyone have experiences with seizures from vaccines on their own (ie: without the fever)? If so, I would be interested in hearing about it.

My 5 month old nephew just recently had his DTaP and had a severe reaction as well. (with no fever)

Within 24 hours of his Dtap my nephew had multiple seizures and then turned blue and floppy with purple lips and lost consciousness. After hospitalization he continued to have seizures and had to undergo spinal taps, MRIs and EEGs. He is now on phenobarbitol -anti-seizure medication that he must take for at least the next six months, he has multiple doctor appointments, and his mom has to cart around an oxygen tank on wheels in case he has another episode.

Originally Posted by newclementine

As for the pp's comment about vaccines building up in the baby's system----the comment about the first time not causing a reaction, the second time causing one and the third time causing death-------is this the common experience of others? (perhaps not the death part as that might not be as common) What I mean is, do most babies have reactions with the second and subsequent doses and not the first?

I was doing research earlier today and came across an article in a medical journal... it was talking about how the reactions to the 4th and 5th dose of Dtap are more severe than the earlier doses, so that seems to support what you heard...

Originally Posted by newclementine

I know that a lot of MDC posters are completely anti-vax, but we have decided to do them selectively. I'm asking my questions here for that reason, to hear those opinions. I may be opening up a big can of worms from those who are anti, but so be it. I value the information.

I totally respect that. It is good to ask questions and make your own decisions

[GTyler]

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Hello ladies
The best idea is to do loads of research- this shall certainly give you the answers "BEFORE" vaccine is spoken about. Most often once the shots have been given its TOO LATE!

Vaccines are powerfull blood-brain barrier chemical toxins,that cause the immune to faulter in one way or another,each baby/child will show their own set of adverse reactions,some acute (within days),and some chronic long lasting ,showing up years later (learning disability AKA autism spectrum disorders).
here are a few links for some great info on vaccine dangers;
www.909shot.com
www.thinktwice.com
www.vaclib.org
www.vaccineinfo.net
www.vacinfo.org
www.jabs.org
www.novaccine.com
www.vaproject.org
www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com
(searchbox;vaccine)
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
Great site run by an RN/Homeopath
hope this helps..........................................inf orm parents about the dangers of vaccines

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by maia71

If you're breastfeeding HIB is not necessary. I researched this vax extensively and read a study--I believe it was conducted in a Scandinavian country--that compared the rate of HIB in breastfed and formula fed childrern. There were no cases of HIB in the EBF babies.

Could you please provide more details- where can I find this study? I have a study I printed out online (I think I found it at insidevaccines.com) I can double check if anyone is interested, but anyway, I read it all and it says breastfed babies made up 1/3 of the cases of meningitis and the formula babies 2/3.
I have never read the study you mention, so PLEASE SHARE if you would )

[claddaghmom]

Yes, I had seizures after my last dose of dtap w/o fever.

[applejuice]

I just completed a first aid course, and I am surprised at how a vaccine reaction resembles shock, poisoning, or anaphylaxis and doctors seem to think a vaccine reaction is innocuous.

[JJ'sMom]

DH and I decided to get a vaccine for our first. We did delay a bit, but in Canada, one cannot get the shots separated out, so he got DTAPHib/penta? something. Way more than we wanted.
Anyway first shot, of the 4 recommended, no reaction at all. On the second one we had screaming at the time of the shot, and after, he would shake when he woke up from his naps for a few moments. The shaking upon waking stopped a while later, and we have not vaxed anyone in our family since.

Yes, I think reactions get stronger with more exposure. I also know we were really lucky in that we stopped and vaxes are not mandatoryl in Canada.