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I have a 4.5 year old son and a 9 month old daughter. My son is very smart, very verbal, very cool and very high spirited. He can be hilarious and cuddly and wonderful. My husband and I take being parents very seriously & joyfully and we try to use 'gentle discipline' with him.

When he was younger, it was easier to just talk things out with him. We would get down on his level, look him in the eye, rub his back while we talked or hug him. We would do 'breaks' where he needed to think about his actions and what he needed to do differently. etc.

We went through at least 2 years of him being a hitter & biter and I had to be careful where I took him.

Now it seems like no matter what we do or say- he doesn't care. I feel like we already have a teenager in our house. We have always taught him to be empathetic to other people and to care aboit how our actions affect others.

When we ask him to do something or try to correct a behaviour (like hitting hi baby sister) he will get really angry and not want to listen. I'll try to talk it out with him and that doesn't help. I tell him to go to his room to cool down & think about it and he will refuse. My husband & I's expectations have never changed- he knows we want him to be sweet, kind, thoughtful and loving.

I grew up with 3 younger brothers and I certainly don't mind a little boy behaviour. We like to wrestle around here! It's tough to be a toddler and figure out your world- I never minded when he had tantrums when he was younger.

Now he will refuse to listen and tell me to "shut up." I don't even know where he heard that- we don't say things like that in our house, we don't swear, we don't even say words like "stupid" or "hate." We don't let our kids watch TV and are very selective about movies. My son only plays with people we know and he never watches TV at their homes. I'm a stay at home mom so I'm always with him.

I feel like he is testing our boundaries and I don't mind that- what I am at a loss about is how to convey to him, he needs to listen to us.

We could be at a store and he will walk away from me- he'll always finish what he is doing before he comes. I just think he can be so incredibly hurtful & rude. I'm afriad for this behaviour to spiral. He will still hit me sometimes (and hits his father a lot when he is mad) and over and over we will say to him, "we don't hit you, we love you, you cannot hit."

I try not to raise my voice after the 50th time asking him to do it ... I was spanked as a child and although I think its abusive (I know my parents lovd us & meant well)- we do not spank in our household. I still feel this little vice inside my head saying "see you should spank him." When I was little we always listened to my parents and I don't want my relationship with my kids to be based on whether they will fearfully obey us.

I want a joyful relationship with my son, where we get along and work together.

We have tried: "breaks" (to think about the action), naps, discussion, responsibility/reward chart, taking cherished toys away, canceling playdates or outings based on behaviour, earlier bedtimes, etc.

He doesn't care. Whatever we do- it doesn't hit home. I feel like I need a key and once I found the key, it would unlock this empathetic side of my child.

He takes everything out of me and as we have more children, I really don't want him to be the center of the family.

Anybody have a similar experiencewith a high spirited child?
post #2 of 8
My girl is 3.5 and I am struggling with this as well at the moment. I am interested in seeing the replies you get, we just went out today for what should have been a fun day instead an hour into it, she was driving me mad. Ugh...

Shay
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Come on mamas! I specifically joined this board in hopes I would meet and receive advice from other families with spirited little ones. Please!
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I have a very high spirited dd, and we've had some pretty challenging times along the line. I hadn't responded because, honestly, I haven't been able to always be truly gentle in the way I think you are asking. A lot of the time, I need to be much firmer than feels natural to me (although never physically disciplining her or humiliating her).

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Originally Posted by Humnmilk4Humnbabes View Post
I want a joyful relationship with my son, where we get along and work together.
You know, I said something like this to my grandmother once....and she honestly laughed and said something like "Did you think that was how it would be?" with a sort of knowing smile. She wasn't trying to put down my parenting methods--she was just a little charmed by my idealism (and maybe remembering her own as a young mother). Most grandmothers know the truth that raising children is really tough. It is rewarding, and has great joys, but it also had challenges that push us to our limits as human being (making us better humans in the process). We pick our partners, but we don't pick our children....and there really is no guarantee that we will have compatible personalities!

As for practical advice, if you feel that he is testing boundaries, then maybe he is. We parented dd in a very democratic style, talking things out and including her in working out problems--but we still had an angry, uncooperative child. When she was 6, on the advice of a therapist, we clearly defined "kid decisions" and "adult decisions", which was a big shift for us. A lot less things were negotiable, and we were calling the shots. We had some big tantrums in protest, but we rode those out. After a few weeks, dd was a different kid. She seems much happier letting us make the lions share of decisions, and just handling her small world of control. Once she let go, she really seemed relieved to know exactly where the boundaries are (very clearly drawn out, non-negotiable), and better enjoys her experience within her boundaries.
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Originally Posted by sunnmama View Post
As for practical advice, if you feel that he is testing boundaries, then maybe he is. We parented dd in a very democratic style, talking things out and including her in working out problems--but we still had an angry, uncooperative child. When she was 6, on the advice of a therapist, we clearly defined "kid decisions" and "adult decisions", which was a big shift for us. A lot less things were negotiable, and we were calling the shots. We had some big tantrums in protest, but we rode those out. After a few weeks, dd was a different kid. She seems much happier letting us make the lions share of decisions, and just handling her small world of control. Once she let go, she really seemed relieved to know exactly where the boundaries are (very clearly drawn out, non-negotiable), and better enjoys her experience within her boundaries.
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My oldest child is this way. When she has too many choices it gets overwhelming and frustrates her, which leads to aggressive behavior, tantrums and other outbursts. I made the mistake of giving her too much control as well... and we also saw a child psychologist about her behavior at age 3 1/2. Now I give her appropriate choices that she can handle... at times that she can handle as well. Some examples (she just turned 6 this month, btw):

She likes to pick her clothes out... but it can be too overwhelming to do in the morning. So we look up the weather forecast for the next day and then she picks out her clothes for school before bed. She does ask for some assistance in matching - she'll pick the shirt and I'll show her 2 things that match.

I don't ask her what she wants to take for snack for school... I just pack something that I know she likes. She'll change her mind 25 times if I ask her... and eventually ends up sitting on the kitchen floor crying that she just doesn't know what snack she'll be in the mood for at snack time. (I did try offering her 2 choices but that was even more upsetting.) Now I just pack it and she's happy with it.

Whatever I'm asking for her input on, I don't ask an open ended question like "What do you want for lunch?" Instead I'll say "I'm fixing lunch. Do you want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or ham & cheese on crackers?" If I give her 2 choices and she nicely asks for something else then I will make it for her. But I can't just ask her what she wants or it's too overwhelming.

We're the same way as the poster I quoted. Certain things are grownup decisions and other things are kid decisions. Also, my DD really seems to thrive on order, structure and routine. Knowing that I have everything "under control" helps her to handle little things much easier. I do have a few things that even though I typically make decisions about if she asks nicely then she is welcome to do things her "way" instead of mine... I am flexible. Not on major things but on a few things.

HTH,
Beth
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he knows we want him to be sweet, kind, thoughtful and loving.
that might be part of the problem. Are you always sweet, thoughtful and loving?
I know I'm not. I do not expect perfection from my children...many of the expectations that are put on kids are things even gownups could not handle.

If he's angry..allow it and don't expect sweetness.
show him what ways anger is allowed to be expressed in your house..in my house my kids absolutely may hit the floor stamp feet, and even yell.
Name calling is addressed as not the way to properly express anger and noone is allowed to hit but they still do.
I do not even overly correct hitting...if you blow raspberries at your brother and he gives you shove..well even steven.
Let's discuss why raspberries were blown in the 1st place. why is the child feeling anger? In my house it's almost always jealously and a fight over my attention or lack thereof.
That's at the root..the symptoms are hitting, shoving screaming in someone's face.
So when those symptoms show up I know it's time for me to be more involved in their play. Time for hugs and laughing and reconnection.

Yes..sometimes the fights are more about sharing of toys and then we work out who had it and who has to wait.
I do not automatically divvy up toys based on who has more b/c maybe that game needs all the toys...We try to come to the solution together.
Sometimes the 3 year old can not grasp that but I console him and he waits his turn...sometimes the 6 year old would rather I weren't consoling him so she will give him what he wants so we can all play together.

The thing to meis that I expect them to make mistakes..I expect them to be kids and I do not expect them to be sweet and nice. I expect them to be human..and they live up to that every time.
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Originally Posted by Humnmilk4Humnbabes View Post
Come on mamas! I specifically joined this board in hopes I would meet and receive advice from other families with spirited little ones. Please!
Hey mama... just wanted to offer that sometimes the boards are little quieter on the weekends. Hang in there.

I saw some familiar things in your post. My DS is spirited and has struggled with his temper over the years (hitting and biting have both been things we've dealt with as well) so lots of support to you.

The following is a link to a recent thread that might be of help:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...614&highlight=

Also, here is an article I turn to when things are not going well. I find it enormously helpful in terms of perspective. It helps when I am reminded that DS is not just his behavior, that behavior has underlying causes and when I look beyond behavior into the "whole DS" I learn more and can solve more problems than when I am looking to simply curb or eliminate behavior. Chances are, if DS isn't acting right, it's because he isn't feeling right. If I can find out why, I stand a pretty good chance of helping him deal with the "roots" of his problem... which often goes far in eliminating the behavior.

http://www.naomialdort.com/articles4.html

Hope there is something in there that helps. My apologies to you because I'd like to give you a more personal and detailed reply... alas, DS is needing me to come and connect with him right now. We've had our own share of "growing pains" this week.

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Originally Posted by Humnmilk4Humnbabes
I feel like I need a key
For us, the key is attachment. When our attachment is in good standing, there are few discipline issues to speak of. For me, the discipline then becomes about what *I* need to consistently do to nurture the attachment between DS and I. For us, it's special play time together... of which I've given a rather detailed account in the above MDC discussion link.

The best,
Em
post #8 of 8
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Originally Posted by hipumpkins View Post
that might be part of the problem. Are you always sweet, thoughtful and loving?
I know I'm not. I do not expect perfection from my children...many of the expectations that are put on kids are things even gownups could not handle.

If he's angry..allow it and don't expect sweetness.
show him what ways anger is allowed to be expressed in your house..in my house my kids absolutely may hit the floor stamp feet, and even yell.
Name calling is addressed as not the way to properly express anger and noone is allowed to hit but they still do.
I do not even overly correct hitting...if you blow raspberries at your brother and he gives you shove..well even steven.
Let's discuss why raspberries were blown in the 1st place. why is the child feeling anger? In my house it's almost always jealously and a fight over my attention or lack thereof.
That's at the root..the symptoms are hitting, shoving screaming in someone's face.
So when those symptoms show up I know it's time for me to be more involved in their play. Time for hugs and laughing and reconnection.

Yes..sometimes the fights are more about sharing of toys and then we work out who had it and who has to wait.
I do not automatically divvy up toys based on who has more b/c maybe that game needs all the toys...We try to come to the solution together.
Sometimes the 3 year old can not grasp that but I console him and he waits his turn...sometimes the 6 year old would rather I weren't consoling him so she will give him what he wants so we can all play together.

The thing to meis that I expect them to make mistakes..I expect them to be kids and I do not expect them to be sweet and nice. I expect them to be human..and they live up to that every time.
Finally got a moment to come back and read all the posts...

This is beautifully said hipumpkins.

The best,
Em
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