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post #1 of 57
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My MIL visited yesterday for my birthday.

She was trying to convince me to start DD (4 months) on solids, so that she'll sleep through the night. I told her that we really don't mind waking up for her, and it's not a big deal to us. She told me "Good Italian mothers make sure their husbands get a full night's sleep." If I was a good wife to her son, I'd make sure the baby was STTN so he would never have to wake up. :

This was just the beginning. Later on, I coudn't find batteries that I needed. I asked DH where they were, and he put them in a place that I couldn't reach them (which is fine, because he moved them). MIL said "That's what you get for making him do women's work."



She pretty much spent the whole night making me feel worthless, like I didn't deserve DH or DD. She kept telling me about "Good Italian mothers.."

The worse part of it is that I do EVERYTHING. Cooking, cleaning, shopping, finances, 90% of baby care. She made it seem like I wasn't "pulling my weight" because DH changes a diaper occasionally and will do the dishes if I ask him to (which is almost never). She basically wants me to be a slave because that's how she was raised. (BTW, I would NEVER raise my daughter that way).

I know it's a lot of BS, and she's still living in 18th century Italy, but she's my MIL and I respect her opinion. I've been down on myself all day because of this. I know it's because I spent 4 days in the hospital for severe depression and DH had to take care of the baby.

I am so ::

Thanks for letting me vent.
post #2 of 57


I'd be tempted to tell her something like "Good Italian Mothers-in Laws treat their daughters-in-law with respect!"

It sounds to me like your DH needs to have a heart-to-heart with his mom, explaining that you're not 100% healthy right now, and that he's had to pick up the slack while you were hospitalized and recovering. He needs to tell her that he is NOT to talk to his wife that way, especially not when you're still vulnerable.

He also needs to explain that you and he have a relationship that works. It's different than what MIL and FIL have/had, but it's not better or worse. This isn't about HER. This isn't a value judgement on her parenting or her housekeeping skills. She needs to butt out and stop telling you (both of you) how to parent and how to run your marriage, if she wants to be involved with your lives.
post #3 of 57
oh....hugs mama!! what a horrible way to treat you, especially with your mood down a little right now. if anything, maybe she is jealous and feeling insecure because you ARE doing such a good job taking care of your dh and dc. and what a blessing to have a dh that is willing and able to help you. try not to let her comments get you down!
post #4 of 57
"And good Italian MIL's shut their big fat traps!" Holy cow mama, I'd go ape on that woman! You need to put her in her place, like, right now.
post #5 of 57
"Maybe there's a reason your son didn't marry a good Italian!!"

At least that's what I hope I'd say. When I get down on myself about DH's mom and sister being so clean/organized/successful, DH reminds me that he could never be married to his mom or his sister without going to jail for homicide!! He married me for a reason, just like your DH married you.
post #6 of 57
Sometimes MILs don't know when to leave it alone...and it sounds like she kept going on and on . I know you want her to respect you and you value her opinion, but sometimes you just have to when she talks to you like that. Or, you could be like me and get really and yell at your MIL. I don't think you want to do that. When DD was first born and she was crying a lot when nursing, my MIL kept saying, "Maybe you can't breastfeed. Maybe you don't have enough milk. Many women don't. I think you should give her formula." I wanted to : and her. Instead, I yelled at her. I know it's not right, but I asked her many times to stop criticizing me or questioning me. At the hospital, she kept asking the nurses, "Is my grandbaby being starved? Does she need some formula?" I lost it more than once.

So, I want to let you know that you're not alone and MILs can be a pain in the butt. You should stand up for yourself, though. Don't yell at her like I did because that's not good either, but at least tell her that you and DH are happy with your relationship and shared responsibilities next time she starts. My FIL doesn't lift his finger to do anything inside the house. He sees my DH doing things and sometimes teases him. But we are secure in our shared responsibilities. His parents are Romanian, so it's different there too.

Anyway, here's a . I hope it gets better.
post #7 of 57
My MIL used to like to make comments like that until the day I reached the end of my rope & said "Yep, I'm a terrible wife. It's my fault the house is a mess, my fault he's fat (one of the "issues" was his/my weight), my fault for everything. And that's just not going to change."

I don't know I would recommend that sort of thing but it sure did work.
post #8 of 57
She's insecure and jealous and trying to spread a little misery around. Pay her no mind, and I agree that DH needs to step up and tell her to cut it out. If he won't do that, you're well within your rights to do it yourself. And don't worry about being polite--she sure isn't.

A "good Italian mother" doesn't verbally abuse her clinically depressed DIL. You don't have to tolerate it either.
post #9 of 57
I am so sorry that she made you feel like crap. I always try to remember that what people say is about them and not about you, what she is saying is coming from her own insecurities, ideas, history, baggage, etc

I have a MIL that does everything around the house, FIL has no idea how to do laundry or cook anything! Anyway thankfully DH did learn how to look after himself when he went to university. When we first got together and I moved in with DH his mother would say stuff like "Scarlett should have dinner on the table when you get home" or "Scarlett should keep the house cleaner" blah blah blah...Anyway he just told her point blank that he did not want me to be a slave to his family like she was to hers, that he would rather have a happy wife he could spend time with then one stuck in the kitchen full of resentment and using guilt to get people to spend time with her because she was so bitter. I would talk to your DH and have him talk to her.

Also I know she is your MIL but she certainly hasn't shown that she respects you and you do not owe her any respect.

Don't let her get to you Mama, she doesn't deserve that much power over you.

Oh and my MIL critiquing of me got her no invites to our house, limit supervised visitation with DS and reduced visits from her own son. I refuse to allow anyone to treat me like @#$%. We actually have a pleasant relationship now and she no longer complains about me but it is a relationship on my and DH's terms!
post #10 of 57
For some mothers, no woman is ever good enough for her little boy. I tried to be nice and good to my MIL even though she questioned everything I did and would make remarks to DH about me. Anyway, I told DH he needed to say or do something but he couldn't/wouldn't do it. DH was raised in a very Irish Catholic household and he could never disrespect his mother like that.:

So, fast forward. We have been married for 10 years and I finally had enough. I sent the old battle ax an e-mail and told her that I was sorry that I do not live up to her standards and that I am sorry that I suck as a mother and wife but that is just too bad. I told her that I would not interfere with her relationship with her son if she would stop trying to interfere with my relationship with DH and that her meddling was going to push us into a divorce if she didn't knock it off. Anyway, she never responded but she hasn't spoken to me since and she has quit telling DH crap. We are expecting a our 4th girl any day now so instead of talking to me or DH she talks to my dad about how disappointed she is that we are not having a boy to carry on the family name. It wasn't a good idea to tell my dad that. My dad set her straight.

If you or somebody else doesn't stand up to her, it will go on forever. It is a pain when you are depressed and have somebody constantly nitpicking every little thing you do and nobody will stand up for you.
post #11 of 57
Geesh. Nice birthday present......

I'm so sorry you're feeling undermined, mama. It's easy for us to think of snappy comebacks, but when you're the mother of an infant and you've already struggled with depression, it's easy to believe the worst about yourself.

Her idea of a "good Italian mother" sounds awful and outdated. If it's working for you and DH, then that's all that matters.

Hang in there, mama!
post #12 of 57
Yeah : Happy Birthday!!! You with a new baby and a birthday party to boot

Sorry about your day! I am sorry if I missed this, but are YOU even Italian?
post #13 of 57
Has anyone noticed how many threads there are where the DH will not support their wives when it comes to their own mothers!!!

What a bunch of wimps these men are!

I would would quietly pull MIL aside and let her know that if she wants to have a relationship with her son and grandchildren she needs to stop it now!!

and I would definitely limit the visits for a while - just so she gets the message.

Hugs to you - I hope you have a wonderful christmas.
-
ps -- I have a friend who was a counselor and she said something to me 22 years ago that has helped me through life:
  • "Never Ever Let Anyone determine Your self worth!!! " Nobody gets to do that!!!
post #14 of 57
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Originally Posted by holothuroidea View Post
but she's my MIL and I respect her opinion.
Why?

Respect has to be earned and it's a two way street. I don't see her showing you any respect as her son's wife and her grandchild's mother.

-Angela
post #15 of 57
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
Why?

Respect has to be earned and it's a two way street. I don't see her showing you any respect as her son's wife and her grandchild's mother.

-Angela
post #16 of 57


Happy Birthday!

Good Italian mothers! Does your MIL know that in Italy 1) there is a much higher rate of breastfeeding than in the US and 2) very few families have separate rooms for infants, which means that there are a lot of Italian babies who wake up during the night, Italian mothers who soothe them, and Italian fathers who just deal! Like my husband does.

I am fortunate because my MIL is on the same page about breastfeeding, etc. as we are, so I don't get that kind of criticism. There are other members of my husband's family who don't always approve of the way I do things and telling them, "well, dh chose not to marry an Italian woman," shuts them up. I also just say that I'm an American, so I do things the American way...

Maybe you could tell her that you are a "good American mother."

Don't take what she says seriously. She has a seriously outdated view that isn't even typical of most families in Italy any more!
post #17 of 57
I haven't read the rest of the responses, but I'd be so inclined to say (in a jokingly serious way) that "Good Italian Mothers-in-Law know when to stop dispensing unsolicited advice." Sounds to me like you're taking it hard because you're down already, but that you otherwise realize that she's just "old fashioned". She's obviously not *that* old fashioned, because her good Italian son is helping you with the things she says he shouldn't be (...that you shouldn't be making him help with, you evil woman, you! ...), and he had to learn that from somewhere.
post #18 of 57
I lived in Italy for 4 years looking after kids, when the mom had her baby the MIL and mother to the mom came in and looked after the house, cooked, cleaned, the ironing, washing .. well everything so that the mom could nurse and look after her baby - that's what good italian grandmas do, this went on for the first 3/4 months or so apart from on the weekend when they only came in with an evening banquet on saturday and sunday lunch after mass!!! As a recompense the grandmas got to push new babe around for an hour or so on a Sunday afternoon in the Piazza to 'show off' their new grandchild!! I find that the ex-pat italians (with not much Italian left there) cling more to the unreaslistic aspects of what they consider to be a 'good italian woman' my sister's MIL is a prime example.
post #19 of 57
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Originally Posted by ewe+lamb View Post
I lived in Italy for 4 years looking after kids, when the mom had her baby the MIL and mother to the mom came in and looked after the house, cooked, cleaned, the ironing, washing .. well everything so that the mom could nurse and look after her baby - that's what good italian grandmas do, this went on for the first 3/4 months or so apart from on the weekend when they only came in with an evening banquet on saturday and sunday lunch after mass!!! As a recompense the grandmas got to push new babe around for an hour or so on a Sunday afternoon in the Piazza to 'show off' their new grandchild!! I find that the ex-pat italians (with not much Italian left there) cling more to the unreaslistic aspects of what they consider to be a 'good italian woman' my sister's MIL is a prime example.
I wish my Italian mother followed this philosophy!

To the OP -- just like all the others said, it's not you, it's her.
post #20 of 57
I'd want to kick her the heck out of the house. I'd have your dh talk to her and tell her how good mothers-in-law behave.
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