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post #1 of 62
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My oldest dd is 8, and most of her playdates and overnights with friends have taken place in our home, mostly because I'm the main mom doing the inviting. This has worked out pretty well for us.

On the rare occasions when dd has gone to someone else's home, I've explained beforehand that in some families, they expect you to eat at dinner and then "close" the kitchen (food is always available in our home, and we never make our girls eat -- they just eat as much as they want, when they want).

So I've suggested to dd that she try to eat what she can at the family meal, so she won't be hungry later. We've also discussed how to politely decline foods she doesn't want, and to just take as much as she feels she can eat, rather than taking a lot and then just eating a few bites.

So, anyhow, she was invited overnight to a friend's recently. And it was upsetting to her that there was some distress caused by her not wanting to eat "some of everything." Dd went with her friend's family to the grandparent's house to help decorate for Christmas, and the grandmother provided quite a spread of food.

And this family has a rule that their children have to put some of everything on their plate, and taste each item before they decide they don't want it. So they made dd take some of everything, too. And the grandma got really upset when dd wouldn't try it all -- I guess she did taste it, but a lot got wasted, which upset the grandma. Some of the food was definitely stuff she liked, so if they'd just let her select for herself, there wouldn't have been all the waste that upset the grandma so much ...

Dd said that at first, the grandma was going to make her stay at the table 'til she complied, then she decided to just let dd get up and go play ...

Later that evening, dd's friend's brother informed dd that "My grandma never wants to have you in her home again" -- but then dd's friend said, "She didn't really mean that, she just wants you to eat."

So ... dd is now saying she never wants to go to another overnight (this was only her second overnight away from us, she went to her first about a year ago). Not just because of the eating-thing, but because of how much she missed us when she was the only one awake in bed late that night (we homeschool, and dd's friend goes to school so gets tired much earlier at night).

And of course I'm not going to push her to go anywhere she doesn't want to go. I did suggest that maybe we could eliminate the late-night wakefulness by me waking her earlier on a day when she's going to her friend's. But she still doesn't want to do the overnights, and that's fine.

I've suggested that if they invite her again, I can explain that she doesn't yet feel ready to be away overnight, so maybe I could bring her for the evening or something (she does want to go back to play, just not to spend the night, and she never wants to go when they're going to the grandma's).

So, now I'm thinking that anytime dd visits in friends' homes, maybe I should let the other moms know that it's really no big deal if dd doesn't eat much, that I don't expect them to make sure she eats or anything, and that she tends to not eat much when she's excited and having fun. I'm trying to think of a "polite" way to express that I really don't want dd to feel pressured about eating ...

I'd previously thought that it was sufficient to talk just with dd about social expectations, so she'd know how to politely decline something (but also know to try to eat something at mealtime so she's not hungry later if they're a "close-the-kitchen" kind of family). But it hadn't occured to me that some adults would actually try to force food on someone else's child.

So ... any ideas about the best ways to approach this if it comes up in future?
post #2 of 62
That's a tough one.

When I had guests at my house when I was a kid, not all rules applied to them. I was made to try a little of each food, but the guest did not have to. The guest's need also trumped mine--if guest wanted a night light and I didn't, guest's request won. I think that's how it should be.

When I was at my friend's house and her mom tried to make me do something (take a bath before bed, for example), I told her mom "My mom doesn't make me do that at home so I don't have to do it here...." (it was a feeling of violation for me, to take a bath anywhere other than my secure bathroom). It might have taken a couple of times telling her, but I got my way. If I didn't get my way, I'd call my mom to come get me.

That's probably what I would tell your daughter. If someone is harrassing her about tasting all the food (or about doing something else she doesn't want to do), have her call you. She shouldn't be forced to do something so needless.

If you want, talk to the mother about this. But if she wants your daughter to comply with her house rules, I wouldn't let your daughter go over for dinner anymore, if it's going to upset her.
post #3 of 62
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That's a tough one.

When I had guests at my house when I was a kid, not all rules applied to them. I was made to try a little of each food, but the guest did not have to. The guest's need also trumped mine--if guest wanted a night light and I didn't, guest's request won. I think that's how it should be.
That's how it was with us, usually. The ONLY time there was an exception was when regular friends came over (or we went over there) For example, my parents had close friends that we established playgroups with. When we went over there (or they came over) it was understood that everyone followed the "house rules"
However, visiting a relative of the "house" would have been an exception. The guest wouldn't have been used to the new rules.

Heck, even when we visit my Aunt now you're considered a visitor for 24 hours (she lives on a farm so extra hands are always put to work)
post #4 of 62
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Originally Posted by MayBaby2007 View Post
That's a tough one.

When I had guests at my house when I was a kid, not all rules applied to them. I was made to try a little of each food, but the guest did not have to. The guest's need also trumped mine--if guest wanted a night light and I didn't, guest's request won. I think that's how it should be.
: That's how it was at my parents' house too. I remember my dad asking my friends to try something at dinner and would tell them that the house rule was ''if you don't like it, you aren't allowed to have seconds!!"
post #5 of 62
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I like the idea of encouraging dd to call me if she wants to come home. Of course, she knew that she could, but I think she was having fun playing with her friends, and didn't want to cut the visit short.

It was only late at night that she really wanted to come home -- but it was after the whole family had gone to sleep and I guess she didn't want to disturb them by asking to use the phone. I regret that I hadn't thought ahead about that, and woken her early that morning so she'd get sleepy when her friend did, since I know their whole family starts the day pretty early and naturally isn't going to stay up 'til 11 or 12 at night.
post #6 of 62
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: That's how it was at my parents' house too. I remember my dad asking my friends to try something at dinner and would tell them that the house rule was ''if you don't like it, you aren't allowed to have seconds!!"

post #7 of 62
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Originally Posted by MayBaby2007 View Post
That's a tough one.

When I had guests at my house when I was a kid, not all rules applied to them. I was made to try a little of each food, but the guest did not have to. The guest's need also trumped mine--if guest wanted a night light and I didn't, guest's request won. I think that's how it should be.

When I was at my friend's house and her mom tried to make me do something (take a bath before bed, for example), I told her mom "My mom doesn't make me do that at home so I don't have to do it here...." (it was a feeling of violation for me, to take a bath anywhere other than my secure bathroom). It might have taken a couple of times telling her, but I got my way. If I didn't get my way, I'd call my mom to come get me.

That's probably what I would tell your daughter. If someone is harrassing her about tasting all the food (or about doing something else she doesn't want to do), have her call you. She shouldn't be forced to do something so needless.

If you want, talk to the mother about this. But if she wants your daughter to comply with her house rules, I wouldn't let your daughter go over for dinner anymore, if it's going to upset her.
I agree with this post too.
I can't imagine forcing one of ds's friends to eat something they didn't want to, and I'd be upset if it happened to him.

I'd tell these people why your dd doesn't want to go back. They should know that you aren't ok with what happened, especially if your dd spends any more time over there.
post #8 of 62
I would be kind of upset at the grandmother. Your dd isn't her child or grandchild, how in the world could she justify making your dd sit at the table until she ate everything? I'm not sure if I would want her to go over by the grandmother again anyway. I don't blame her for being freaked out.

I don't think it hurts for you make other parents aware that your dd will stop eating when she is satisfied and to please not force her.
post #9 of 62
I had this problem with girl scouts. Her troop leader has two rules- try everything, and clean your plate. The clean your plate rule bothers me both but I'm opposed to both, and I talked to the girl scout leader and said if she gets hungry that she can wait till I pick her up to eat. And I talked to my daughter about not complaining if she's hungry because she didn't like what they had, and that I'd give her something else when I got her. It's probably easier with girl scouts than at a friend's house. I did have to argue with the troop leader though. She said that the rules were the same for everyone and she couldn't let one kid off the hook, and I said that she had no place making health decisions for other people's kids and that I'd pull her out if she forced the issue. This is something people seem very willing to fight for. But I was willing to fight too.

I guess that hasn't been much help. I guess my only thing is that I never want my daughter to feel like she has to choke food she doesn't want down.
post #10 of 62
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I guess my only thing is that I never want my daughter to feel like she has to choke food she doesn't want down.

Yes, that's how I feel, too!
post #11 of 62
subbing. my kids are young yet but this issue will come up I'm sure. It's already come up a bit b/c we don't make our boys sit down and eat at "meals". We have grazers and they just graze as they go. This has caused some friction at my husband's cousin's house with their 5 year old girl. She must sit for the meal and finish her plate which her mom fills for her. I disagree with all of these rules and don't insist on DS following them. Their little girl gets upset cause she can't just say "all done!" and go play too. But I don't want to force food and unpleasant situations on a 2.5 year old to save some other parents' stress.
post #12 of 62
I would be very angry to find out that that happened to any of my children at a sleepover. I wouldn't force anything like that onto any other kids.
post #13 of 62
I would be livid if someone treated my kid that way!

I think that if my DD was going to spend the night at a friend's house I would want to talk to the parents about the house rules. I would definitely explain my feelings on food, sleep, bathing, supervision, TV, calling home or any other issue that I felt strongly about or that I did differently than many mainstreamers. I would just want to be sure we were all on the same page.

I think that it would be appropriate to have a conversation with the other parents about what happened and how you and your daughter feel about it. No need to be confrontational, but I would want to be clear that forcing my child to eat and then threatening punishment if she did not clean her plate is in no way acceptable.
post #14 of 62
I would not be at all pleased if my dd was treated like this, she would burst into tears if put in this sort of situation, I would expect a phone call from her and i would go get her and explain that we don't force our kids to do this sort of thing - actually it sort of scares me a little that a child was put in this sort of situation, with a grandma that she might not know as well as the rest of the family. We had a friend of my dd's here and she doesn't eat the same as us, no fruit or veg, bought prepared foods, she didn't want to eat anything that I had made and I ended up giving her a cheese sandwich which she loved , anyway I could never have forced her and left her to sit at the table because she eats different food from us. For the next time I'd inform them of your nutritional choices and expect them to bend the rules a little for your dd.
post #15 of 62
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So, now I'm thinking that anytime dd visits in friends' homes, maybe I should let the other moms know that it's really no big deal if dd doesn't eat much, that I don't expect them to make sure she eats or anything, and that she tends to not eat much when she's excited and having fun. I'm trying to think of a "polite" way to express that I really don't want dd to feel pressured about eating ...

I'd previously thought that it was sufficient to talk just with dd about social expectations, so she'd know how to politely decline something (but also know to try to eat something at mealtime so she's not hungry later if they're a "close-the-kitchen" kind of family). But it hadn't occured to me that some adults would actually try to force food on someone else's child.

So ... any ideas about the best ways to approach this if it comes up in future?
Yup. Invite the family (adults and all) over for dinner so that they can see how you approach mealtimes. No big discussions, and it keeps the attention focussed on your children being attached to your family, and reinforces the idea in our preteen children that adults have lives and social lives too.
post #16 of 62
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I really appreciate all this affirming input! I posted this here in parenting issues, so that I could get a more general feel as to how most parents would react -- not that MDC posters are the "general" public -- but, you know, just to see how folks with a variety of different parenting philosophies would feel about this.

From all these responses, I know that I'm not just over-reacting as an RU parent.

flapjack, I have had this family over before -- though I guess it was more of a party-thing and not a meal-meal -- so I thought the mom was familiar with the fact that I don't force food on kids. But it sounds like she lets her mom take over when they're at her mom's house.

I definitely will make sure they know not to do this again, if dd ever decides to accept an invitation back to their house. She really enjoys playing with her friend, so hopefully it can be worked out.
post #17 of 62
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That's a tough one.

When I had guests at my house when I was a kid, not all rules applied to them. I was made to try a little of each food, but the guest did not have to. The guest's need also trumped mine--if guest wanted a night light and I didn't, guest's request won. I think that's how it should be.

When I was at my friend's house and her mom tried to make me do something (take a bath before bed, for example), I told her mom "My mom doesn't make me do that at home so I don't have to do it here...." (it was a feeling of violation for me, to take a bath anywhere other than my secure bathroom). It might have taken a couple of times telling her, but I got my way. If I didn't get my way, I'd call my mom to come get me.

That's probably what I would tell your daughter. If someone is harrassing her about tasting all the food (or about doing something else she doesn't want to do), have her call you. She shouldn't be forced to do something so needless.

If you want, talk to the mother about this. But if she wants your daughter to comply with her house rules, I wouldn't let your daughter go over for dinner anymore, if it's going to upset her.
This is how I grew up, and how I would treat a visiting child. Behaviour issues fine, but even with a child I didn't know very well - they would get a lot more leeway than a friend dd has over all the time.

This is also how I would want my child treated. I am so tired of the 'try one bite' mentality. That may work for some kids, but mine would physically be ill if someone did that to her.
post #18 of 62
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When I had guests at my house when I was a kid, not all rules applied to them. I was made to try a little of each food, but the guest did not have to. The guest's need also trumped mine--if guest wanted a night light and I didn't, guest's request won. I think that's how it should be.
Same here & the food "rules" would be relaxed for us too if we had guests over.

I could not imagine telling someone else's child that if they didn't eat everything they had to sit there until they did.

the only time I do that is when supervising at the school over lunch & there are certain kids whose parents want us to make sure they eat everything otherwise those kids will eat 1-2 bites(or only the junk food) and nothing else.
post #19 of 62
OP, I would be very upset too. We do not have food fights in our house, and we do not expect our kids to either try everything or clear their plates. Others might see this as paradoxical, but our children are more likely to eat a wide variety of food as a result of our refusal to fight about food.

Imagine saying "eat 1 bite of that xxxxx" before you get down from the table.

That child might eat it no problem, but even if she does, she's learned that food is related to power and control, and may come to associate that food with negativity.

Say "you don't have to eat it", and after a few appearances it's likely to be tried. Without power struggles. Without food issues. Without ruining dinner.

But I'm preaching to the choir....

I wish others would get this too. Our old daycare had some trouble understanding. They used to make the kids eat the 'main' part of their meal before the 'snack' parts. I challenged them on how they chose the 'main' part (after challenging the concept in general), and decided one day to send cake, cookies, pie and pudding for dd's lunch. I'm not sure what they let her eat first as the 'main' part of her lunch that day.
post #20 of 62
I guess my family is in the minority here, but I wanted to post my two cents.

My SD is almost 8, and is by and large a fantastic eater. We are a family that does the "try a bite of it" rule. It applies to everyone (SD, DH and myself...olives, yuck!) And it has to be a decent bite. That said, if you try it and don't like it, then that's fine, eat what is there that you do like (I do my best to only introduce one new thing at dinner so that there is plenty that everyone does like)

Anyhow...for our family the "try a bite of everything" works out for us. We don't force her to sit there until the plate is clean, we give her a reasonable amount. She ate butter chicken last night after initially looking at it and making a face, but decided that she really did like it. We don't have power/control issues with food over here.

Just saying, it works for our family, but maybe not for yours, which is fine.

All that being said, if SD had a friend over, and assuming that the friend has no allergies/sensitivities, we would likely say something like "Would you like to try a bite of X? If you don't like it you can a PBJ sandwich (or something)." I wouldn't force the kid to eat. However, I probably also wouldn't be too adventurous in my meal that night either. If a mom told me not to worry if their kid didn't eat anything etc...I'm not sure how I'd feel about it, but I'd get over it and not worry about that kids eating habits.

Sorry I hijacked this thread
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