Mama's! I need more help please

[*Aimee*]

So I bought Eat Fat Lose Fat, but haven't had time to read it. I also bought Nourishing Traditions. On Sunday I threw away ALL the processed food and junk and all that. I signed up for the TF menu mailer and I felt GOOD TO GO. Well, I started getting sick from the taste of the coconut oil and ACV. So today I just did CO.

At around 1:30 today O M G I got so sick. I felt like I was going to throw up everywhere. Then I started having horrible diarrhea. DH had to come home and take the kids so I could sleep. I just felt so worn out it was unbelievable. I didnt eat anything weird. Just normal, healthy, whole foods and oil.

Please tell me that because I havent had fat in so long (just carbs and sugars for years) that my body is having a hard time, but I should keep doing it and will feel good soon? I don't want to go back to vegetarianism. Everything I've been reading makes so much since and I want to do this. Oh I ate 6 TBSP of co yesterday, and 4 today.

I felt so sick I drank a dr pepper and it made me feel better almost instantly. What's going on?

[forestrymom]

How did you take the CO and ACV?

[TwilightJoy]

My guess is that maybe your body is detoxing from the no sugar / no caffeine / other stuff you cut out?

Not sure what advice I have for you. Maybe cut out or cut down the coconut oil? Have you taken it before with no reaction?

But keep on eating those nutritious whole foods!

I really hope you feel better soon!

[leila1213]

I agree you're going through sugar/caffeine withdrawal and you should start the CO gradually. I have heard where people with certain gut problems can't do fats as well. I think my sister is one of them and she has had to go really slowly on increasing fats. She always used to get sick to her stomach if she had anything too "rich", and had been on a lowfat diet basically for a long time (just because she is an athlete and health nut).

[CeciMami]

I'm guessing you're detoxing too...I'd cut down on your CO intake and build up from there...maybe try 1T before bed...then see how your night goes, how you're feeling in the morning, and take another 1T right before your largest meal of the day. If you feel good with that, stay there for a week and then add more.

Like the PP said, keep eating your whole, nutritious food and good for you making such a drastic change for your health! Just take it a little slower and let your body catch up to the decision your brain made!

Ceci

[*Aimee*]

Thank you.

I took it all just plain. I ate it. 2 TBSP at a time. This morning I did take it in a smoothie and it was good.

I can't believe how badly being a vegetarian has screwed me up. I gained 100lbs, ate nothing but carbs and starches, and now I'm getting hella sick

[forestrymom]

I use the CO to cook my eggs in the morning, and I use it in oatmeal (are you going without carbs altogether?). I also use it to season my castiron, and I mix it in yogurt. I LOVE the way it tastes, but its weird to take it straight, kwim? I can only take about 1 tsp at a time, if I take it straight.

As for the ACV, you really have to start that slow, and dilute it with water to start with. I can drink it much stronger than this now, but 5 months ago, when i started, I took 1 TBSP in about 32 ounces of water, and I added about 1 T of honey to that. Now I can drink 2 ounces of it in about 32 ounces of water wihtout the honey (but I still prefer the honey ).

The fact that the Dr Pepper made you feel better almost instantly tells me you are detoxing from sugar (thus feeling better when you get tons of it at once) AND that you probably need to dilute the CO and ACV (which the Dr. did as well).

I also think that you are probably a lot like me and tend to do things all or nothing, but this is a change that may take some getting used to. I've been working on it for 5 months and am STILL learning and feeling overwhelmed at times.

[quietserena]

In addition to the body freaking out about so much fat, there is also a dieoff thing that can happen with CO if you've got yeast overgrowth. i haven't experienced it myself but i also always ease into CO - like.. one teaspoon with food a day to start with.

I'm sorry you had such a hard time.

A fair warning: kefir also has a laxative effect though it's usually short lived and it only happens when you first start taking it.

[MadameXCupcake]

I hope you feel better.
Work into everything slow, you'll feel much better eventually!

[crunchy_mama]

I agree with others you are detoxing. Likely you had some candida overgrowth, being a carb junkie. That in itself can cause a flu like feeling- it feels like hell and you wonder how you can feel so bad- BUT if you make it through you will feel 200x better in the end. Just don't plan to get anything done. Make sure you are eating plenty though and have tons of good snacks available. Caffeine is a drug as well and withdrawal can be very difficult as well. Dh just went off of Mt Dew and went through one hell of a withdraw- massive headaches and brain fog- he is coming through the other side now about 1 .5 weeks later.

[Junegoddess]

Moderation! Even with things that are really good for you.

Definitely cut back the coconut oil. 1-2 tablespoons per day, for a week or so. Then increase by 1 more tablespoon. For a week. And then another. 6 T per day was probably a shock to your system.

A low-fat diet can reduce your ability to digest fats, by basically shutting down the gall bladder. Coconut oil doesn't require bile to digest, so it's great even for people who've had their gall bladder removed. But the liver also makes bile, and can be taught to make more of it, if you increase your fats with meals slowly, and eat at a regular schedule.

I think the EFLF book actually talks about that.

[*Aimee*]

Thank you so much. I'm feeling much better this morning, just guilty that I drank dr pepper. I'm a lame o! And wouldn't you know, despite puking and having diarrhea I GAINED a pound. Nice!

But today is a new day and I'm cutting back on the CO

[saratc]

Taking oil on an empty stomach causes your liver to dump bile and can make you nauseous. I always got queasy when I take my coconut oil on an empty stomach or had my CLO in the morning before I ate anything. Try incorporating the amounts of oil you're taking with your food. For example, if you're eating a stew, mix it with your stew.

Coconut oil is great for candida and does cause die off, but what you're describing sounds mainly like indigestion due to the amount you took on an empty stomach.

[Yiskah64]

I'm new to this too and on Monday I got queasy after only taking 1 T of CO with my tea. I can't imagine doing 6!!!! Especially straight! Kudos! :-)

[Ruthla]

So you went from a diet focused on carbs and then jumped instantly into a diet rich in proteins and fats and very restricted carbs (at least very restricted compared to how you ate on Saturday?)

A lot of this sounds like "induction flu"- what dieters go through when they switch from the SAD to Atkins induction (20g carbs per day.) It's mentioned a lot on the low-carb forum I frequent. This is your body feeling sick and uncomfortable while it adjusts from burning carbs for fuel to burning mostly fat for fuel. It lasts anywhere from a day to a week, and then it goes away and people tend to feel more energetic than they did before they started.

I know that the recomendations in EFLF come to way higher than 20g of carbs per day (and even Atkins doesn't recomend staying that low on the carbs for long) but the same thing could happen even if you're eating 50g of carbs per day, since this is WAY lower than the carbs you were consuming before. Since one soda cleared up your symptoms (putting carbs back into your system) this is very likely the culprit.

What I'd suggest is making more gentle dietary changes. Use far less coconut oil and slowly ease into more. If you're not ready to give up caffeine entirely, home-brewed coffee or tea is a much healthier alternative (which you can then wean off of slowly.) If the sudden jump in carbs is too much, you basically have two choices: suffer for a few days and get over it/get your body used to low carbing (which will take a few days) or add in HEALTHIER carbs to your meals, which again you can wean off of if you feel they're interfering with weight loss. A baked potato is much gentler on your system than high fructose corn syrup.

My guess would be that you gained a pound because of "cheating" with the Dr Pepper leading to water retention. That or you've got PMS water retention going on- is that a possibility?

[guestmama9910]

I don't know if there's anything unusual about your reaction, it happened to me and I've been eating TF about two years now. Perhaps a body gets used to it? Did any of you have this reaction at first and did it go away?
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AnnaArcturus

[*Aimee*]

Originally Posted by AnnaArcturus

I don't know if there's anything unusual about your reaction, it happened to me and I've been eating TF about two years now. Perhaps a body gets used to it? Did any of you have this reaction at first and did it go away?
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AnnaArcturus

I don't really think it's unusual either, but was more looking for support on to keep pushing on. It's hard when you're trying to make yourself healthier and just end up feeling sicker.


I'm feeling MUCH better this morning. I had steel cut oats with coconut oil and an orange. Then I had a kombucha and some cheese curds for lunch. I'm still feeling tired but MUCH better.