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Greetings, mamas! I'm new to this board and don't want to offend anyone with a sensitive religious topic, so I'm going to do my best to avoid any direct references and speak only generally about some issues we've been having with our relatives. I originally posted this in my Due Date Club, but one of the ladies recommended I try to post here, so I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts...

Firstly, the cornerstone of what I believe is that everyone is entitled to pursue his/her own religious or spiritual path. I have never felt any incentive to change how anyone else thinks or feels on the matter. I guess that's why it truly offends and frustrates me when someone else tries to persuade or argue with me to change my beliefs.

DH & I have strong feelings about how we want to raise our child with regards to religion. Unfortunately, both our families come from the same faith - which we left - and they don't hesitate to get preachy or show their disapproval for our choices.

We've decided the best thing we can do when dealing with a preachy, self-righteous, judgy relative is to remain calm, while openly disagreeing whenever one of them brings up the topic. In the past, my reaction has always been to nod politely and then quickly try to change the subject. But I've realized our relatives are not going to give up on us and probably read our silence as guilt or reluctant agreement - especially now that we're adding a new family member they want to bring into their fold. Personally, I think the most correct response is "It's none of your business". However, because it's built into their belief systems that they have a moral obligation to speak their truth, the whole concept of "live and let live" is lost on them.

So again, polite contradiction is our best defense (e.g. "I respect you enough to leave your beliefs alone and hope you'll do the same for me"; "I don't feel I have to believe what you do to be a good person or raise a good kid" ). When baby gets older, we think it'll set a good example of tolerance for our child and also make the most of teaching opportunities when they come up.

Just wondering...does anyone else have the same issues? And what do you do about them? Please share what's worked for you.
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- Mylah (due Jan 7, '09)
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Have you tried explaining that their zeal is having the opposite effect they desire? Maybe if they understand that they are pushing you away from their beliefs with the way they are acting that they will modify their behavior at least some.
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Have you tried explaining that their zeal is having the opposite effect they desire? Maybe if they understand that they are pushing you away from their beliefs with the way they are acting that they will modify their behavior at least some.
Yes, we've tried that, and thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I don't want to add to their hopes that we'll change, or say anything to increase their sense of entitlement to interfere in our spiritual lives. I'm afraid that if they understood their behavior in terms of plain cause-and-effect (i.e. overzealousness = pushing them away), they'll only think of backing off as a tactic or tool to try to change us some more. I don't want to encourage their meddling at all, and really hope down the line they'll fundamentally understand that they are disrespecting our boundaries and truly accept our choices as valid. I'd like them to see our beliefs as a non-issue to them, just as we see their beliefs as a non-issue to us.

That's why we've decided we prefer to be more direct in contradicting them, but always with smiles on our faces and without malice, y'know? I've always found that an angry or defensive response just makes the other person harden his/her position.
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Yep- I have the same issues. I'm Pagan, my DH is of christian belief- just without the church part lol. Both our families are religious- his dad was a bible thumper (hell, fire and brimstone kind) back in the day. He's now religious but more calm about it all. My mom is First Baptist and is well...IMO a Zelot. She says GOD every other word- seriously. We have butted heads for a LONG time regarding this topic- on both sides of our family.

I finally had to tell my mom (the bulk of the problems) that I was in charge of my childs spiritual path. I was the one that was going to teach them everything from abc's to sex to god. What I taught them was MY business- not thiers. I told them that if they were uncomfortable with MY decisions- then we would NOT be a part of the family. Period.

I have never asked that they understand what I belive. I never asked that they support me either. I only ask that they respect my choice as an adult. Period.

I wish I could tell you that this would get easier- but I highly doubt that. I think this is the begening of a LOT of issues that you need to stand FIRM on now. You don't have to convince them- you just have to demand respect, and give it too. Be carefull not to get into theology debates because that isn't the point. The point is that you have made a choice- by the free will that "god" gave you. Best of luck! Telling your story helps others too!


ETA: I tried and tried to talk to my mom- she just never listned. I finally put it all in a VERY long letter- 11 pages- and drew a line in the sand. I laid out what I said above and told her that SHE was making the choice to either be a part of our lives, or to NOT be involved. I put the 'responsiblity' of her actions squarely on HER shoulders- not mine. She did change after the letter. She is better about not saying god all.the.time. She will slip up- and I just change the subject and she will remember that she can't FORCE me to think her way. It works for us...
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Yes, we've tried that, and thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I don't want to add to their hopes that we'll change, or say anything to increase their sense of entitlement to interfere in our spiritual lives. I'm afraid that if they understood their behavior in terms of plain cause-and-effect (i.e. overzealousness = pushing them away), they'll only think of backing off as a tactic or tool to try to change us some more. I don't want to encourage their meddling at all, and really hope down the line they'll fundamentally understand that they are disrespecting our boundaries and truly accept our choices as valid. I'd like them to see our beliefs as a non-issue to them, just as we see their beliefs as a non-issue to us.

That's why we've decided we prefer to be more direct in contradicting them, but always with smiles on our faces and without malice, y'know? I've always found that an angry or defensive response just makes the other person harden his/her position.
Does it matter what they think if you do do that and they back off? Making them back off is the ultimate goal, let the think what they prefer to think. The only thing that matters is the goal you are seeking and you know the truth behind them backing off.

Very justifiable mean to the end result to let them think what they want especially if you end up with them backing off.
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Does it matter what they think if you do do that and they back off? Making them back off is the ultimate goal, let the think what they prefer to think. The only thing that matters is the goal you are seeking and you know the truth behind them backing off.
I understand your point. I just worry they'll only back off temporarily if they think it's just some strategy that'll work to change us. Once they see that backing off won't change us, their intent remains the same and they'll probably start actively interfering again.
post #7 of 7
I have no real advice, only empathy. I am in the same boat. I love my family, but this is something that we will NOT agree on, now or in the future. I currently do the "in one ear and out the other" method, but I know where you are coming from with wishing they would acknowledge that I don't want or need to hear it at all.
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