Oscillococcinum for the flu - Page 3

[BusyMommy]

I bought 2 cartons of oscillococcinum here, each w/3 vials. One was $10.50 and the other $12: ). So, that's WAY too expensive if you follow their directions but reasonable if you take a capfull or dilute.

SOO hard to know when to use, though; ie. my 13mos old has had a fever for 3 days but is happy. So, I don't THINK this is the flu.

urghhh

[Mona]

sorry to ask a goofy question, but i'm confused.
to help calm dd sometimes we use chamamilla. i don't understand how it would be better to put 3 pellets in water and have her drink that throughout the day rather then give her the 3 pellets directly. i mean, if i put it in water, and give it to her throughout the day, it won't be as potent a dose, right?
just trying to figure this out.
THanks!

[Yin Yang]

It is not gonna make it more potent. Making homeopathic remedies is very precise process that requires very specific way of dilution. It's not JUSt adding water.....

Don't let us confuse you!
If your DD is capable of letting the pelltes dissolve in her mouth, then have her do it. If your homeopathy doctor tells you to give her remedy 5 times a day let's say 5 pellets, than do it! I only put homeopathic remedy in the water if my doctor directly tell me to do so. Some remedies are to be taken only once a day - than it is good to put it in the water and drink it during the day - it is easier for the body to get the bio-informations out of it that it needs to get.

If I have a flu and I am having hight fever, than I will take Aconitum (just an example) 3-5 times a day, until I get better. I am NOT going to put 5 pellete into water and drink in all day - that would not help me fast enough.

I think there is a general rule that the lower the number the more often it should be taken. So if you are using chamomilla 6C you should use it 3-5 times a day, if you are using 30C, than once a day is enough. Higher numbers are usually taken only once a week or one a month.

Still confused? If you buy a remedy that is made for teething, or colic or anything else - just follow what it says on the box. I think we were speaking more about single remedies.
I only dissolve pellets in few drops of water,b/c my son is only 3 months old and that is the only way how I can get it in him.

[Bestbirths]

Mona,

Cute pictures, BTW

Diluting the remedy for one pellet to make it last all day doesn't change the potency. It's only the continual diluting (trying to make that pellet last all year) that could change the potency.

If I lived in a big city where I could purchase cammomilla up the street at a healthfood store, and I only had one child, was not on an extremely tight budget, most days it may just be easier to give her a pellet.

on the other hand....

If I was on a tight budget...which has been the story of my life with kids.... It would save money to dilute the dose in water and make that one pellet last all day, giving her teaspoon doses every fifteen minutes to every hour, depending on how acute the symptoms were. This would be quite a savings if you are pinching pennies.

I'm no math whiz but if there are fifty pellets in every bottle, you would be saving .10 cents each time you dosed that day from a dilution of the remedy. If you dosed every hour that day from the diluted remedy for twelve hours, $1.20 savings. Math would vary dependant upon how many people you were dosing and how many doses you gave that day. If you have a lot of kids and keep track of every dollar.....it adds up quickly.

Come One Everybody!......tell us how much $$ you save by diluting oscillococcunum or dolivaxil for one bout of the flu for your family....

Another thought......

I wouldn't jepardise the nursing relationship to give a baby diluted homeopathics. When my one month old was given diluted homeopathic pertussin, it was one teaspoon of the diluted remedy put in her mouth. I would not have given her a baby bottle filled with water and the diluted remedy. Giving babies bottles of water can decrease breastmilk supply which works on supply and demand. And duh, everyone here probably already know this, but I just wanted to mention it just in case. When I said I put the pellets in my childrens water bottles I want to clarify that they are all over 3 and weaned. :LOL

[starrynight]

I bought some Dolivaxil today. That stuff is pretty expensive! At least it was at the natural food store. 13 bucks for one box. Drugstore.com had it for less, but they are sold out anyway. I think I'm going to divide each dose three ways (since there are 3 of us in our family.) Hopefully it will still be effective. From what others are saying about how homeopathy works, it sounds like it should be okay.

A couple of interesting tidbits. One of the moms at my son's preschool has been out been out with the flu for the past couple weeks. I asked her if they'd vaxed and she said they all had gotten flu shots a couple weeks before they all got the flu.

Another tidbit - When I called to make my son's flu shot appointment last week, I asked to speak with a nurse. Mostly I wanted to make sure they had shots without thimerosal. I also wanted to ask her if they've noticed whether the shot is proving effective at all against this current nasty flu strain, since it's not a match for it. She said they really don't know whether it's making any difference. She also said that flu shots are a personal decision and that some of the doctors there haven't even given their kids flu shots. This is a large pediatrics clinic with probably a dozen peds working under one roof. Anyway, I thought that was interesting. (In the end, we decided against the shots.)

[beebs]

ok, so it's dolivaxil know...is _this_ safe for babies? i know some of you have mentioned that all homoeopathics are, but on drugstore.com it (the package) says ages 2 and up. is that just a CYA warning?

T
Pavlina, our babes are almost the same age! i think i remember from a thread somewhere a while back that we had the same due dates. was your ds born on his, 8/24? my dd was born one week before hers, so 8/17. glad to hear you use homeopathics with him. i need to figure out how to get it in her mouth, though!

[Yin Yang]

Beebs ~ my DS was born on my due date. You should join the August mama's thread....

And yes, it is safe for babies. Again, they always put it on the package, just for safety reasons.

It's easy to give homeopathics to a baby - I bought 0.5oz brown glass bottle with a dropper - I put the pellets in there with only about 6 drops of water and dissolve it and than put it right into DS's mouth. By this time he's already got used to me putting stuff into his mouth all the time and when he sees me with something his mouth is WIDE open! lol

I bought some oscillococcinum today b/c nobody carries the Dolivaxil around here and DH was pretty sick today, but not flu. Looks like he had a food poisening.

[lovelee]

I find the pellets just as easy to give, just pop 2 inside their cheek and your good to go!

[Elphaba]

okay, after reading this thread I popped into the local herbal store and asked for the "stuff that starts with O and is a big long word and it's for the flu" and they had it but she told me NOT to take it preventatively but only if we had signs of the flu.

so what gives? is she wrong? or is this one of those issues where we just don't know the answer?

[turquoise]

Originally posted by Pavlina
Plus such continuing diluting creates a very high potency remedies which you may not want to play round with. Homeopathy is 100% safe as long as you don’t play with numbers such is 200C, 1M and higher.

Sorry to beat a dead horse here. I looked up a bit on homeopathy, and I think I understand this conversation on diluting and potency, but I'm not sure and I just want to clarify. (sometimes I need to translate things into my own "language" so that I can understand them). Please excuse my thick head.

The more you dilute a remedy, the more potent it becomes?

Here's a high level of how the remedies are made: http://www.homeopathic.org/meds.htm

plant substance, for example, is mixed in alcohol to obtain a tincture. One drop of the tincture is mixed with 99 drops of alcohol (to achieve a ratio of 1:100) and the mixture is strongly shaken. This shaking process is known as succussion. The final bottle is labeled as "1C." One drop of this 1C is then mixed with 100 drops of alcohol and the process is repeated to make a 2C. By the time the 3C is reached, the dilution is 1 part in 1 million! Small globules made from sugar are then saturated with the liquid dilution. These globules constitute the homeopathic medicine.

And a little from this site on the philosophy:

http://www.drchaseonline.com/pages/679699/index.htm

This led him to the concept of potentization of the remedies. By this process, which consists of serial dilutions of a medicine with agitations of the solution at each step in dilution, he reduced the physical dose of the medicine, while raising its energy level.

So what is the general rule for diluting? What is the proper ratio? Do you take one dose then add water to tripple the volume which will give you enough for 3 doses?

[Satori]

I'm going to try the Dolivaxil for dd and I. I hope it works!

[Rie&BugsMom]

Oh Pavlina, don't you dare run and hide .....you are a GREAT source of info, and right now I am reading all I can. My son is really sick at the moment. I am thinking it is the dreaded flu. Here are his symptoms:


Cough, (productive) a bit croupy sounding
Fever (103.1) I am not bringing it down right now. I know fever is good for the body to fight infection.
Red, glassy looking eyes
Very red cheeks.
Weak feeling in legs he described as feeling "light" when he walked to the bathroom.
Eyes having soreness when he looks from side to side while holding his head in the straight on forward position
Sore throat, but his throat was not red upon inspection of it this afternoon.
Sleeping a lot. Actually he falls asleep quickly after laying down


Yesterday, he came home from school and told me he was not feeling well, but he was acting totally fine. A cough here and there, nothing major. This morning woke up with a harder cough and sounding a bit croupy. Then by early afternoon, he was really feeling like crap. Right now, I am giving him large doses of Vitamin C, and several hours later, giving him doses of Vitamin A. I am planning on staying up most of the night to keep watch over him because the thread that had info in it about that boy that went to sleep under the Christmas tree and died is scarring the crap out of me. I am not much on conventional docs, use them only when I have to. So I am not wanting to drag him around a bunch of sick people in a small waiting room. Any Homeopathic remedies you are aware of with those symptoms I gave you would be WONDERFUL to know. I absolutely plan on getting that book you talked about as well.

So see? You are needed here. Definitely don't think you are monopolizing the board here.

Thanks for all your help,
Kathleen

[Yin Yang]

Kathleen ~ try this software to choose the right remedy.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/simplified.php

I will respond later....

[Yin Yang]

OK, here I am again
Kathleen ~ i hope your son is better by now, but if not here is my answer.
The symptoms you have described were not enough. Usually in homeopathy you need to know little more, usually it's the feelings you need to know such: is he sweating (ACONITUM) or hight fever without sweating (BELLADONNA), is he restless or he needs to be still. Firsty or not, sensitive to light, and more and more.....

Here is descriptoin of symptoms and remedies that Hilary posted at the biginning of this thread:
http://www.simillimum.com/FirstAid/T...Influenza.html
Find the remedy that has at least 2-3 symptoms like your son has and buy it in 6C dilution and give it to him 3-5 times a day (5 pellets).

The thing about flu is, at least in my case, that the symptoms are changing very often. So one time you need let's say Belladonna and 10 minutes later they changed totally and you need different remedy.

Anyway, good luck!

[Yin Yang]

turquoise ~ there is several ways homeopathic remedies are made.
There is the one by Hahnemann (sp?) which is making the mother tincture, then taking one part and add 99 parts of water (1C), shake, take one part of that, and add 99 parts of water (2C) and on and on.....or the same but with alcohol.

Than there is different way, by I don't remember his name

and that is: making mother tincture and than pure everything out and put water or alkohol into that empty container, shake and pure away again, than fill with water again, shake and on and on....there is ALWAYS enough left on the walls of the container for the next diluting. I think these remedies has letter K next to the number, Belladonna 5K in instance. I think Welleda makes these (in UK) but those never worked for me, I think I just did not know how to use these.
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Originally posted by Pavlina
Plus such continuing diluting creates a very high potency remedies which you may not want to play round with. Homeopathy is 100% safe as long as you don’t play with numbers such is 200C, 1M and higher.
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I meant that hypotheticaly. I mantioned later in the thread that homeopathic diluting is extremely sensitive procedure and requires very precise measuring.

I was just thinking that it MIGHT cause higher potencies, if you keep adding water to it over long period of time, but in my opinion it's only water what's left in it, placebo. I think the bacterias and light and generally bad conditoons would totally destroy the active ingredience that has been there at the beginning of the process.
Again, just my opinion.

BTW - I was reading my book about homeopathy just now and I found out something prety amazing! I knew that homeopathic remedies can be made from many substances, such plants, minerals, poisons, virus and bacterias, but did you know this??:


Remedies may also be prepared from non-material sources, such as moonlight , musical frequncies, electricity, or magnetic fields. The possibilities are endless.

It made me laugh.....I thought it was funny. I was trying to picture how they are getting the moonlite into jar And what would that be for? Sleepwalking? lol
I totally believe it, but I think it's funny

[turquoise]

Originally posted by Pavlina
BTW - I was reading my book about homeopathy just now and I found out something prety amazing! I knew that homeopathic remedies can be made from many substances, such plants, minerals, poisons, virus and bacterias, but did you know this??:


Remedies may also be prepared from non-material sources, such as moonlight , musical frequncies, electricity, or magnetic fields. The possibilities are endless.

It made me laugh.....I thought it was funny. I was trying to picture how they are getting the moonlite into jar And what would that be for? Sleepwalking? lol
I totally believe it, but I think it's funny

:LOL I can think outside the box, but that's so far out of the box that the box is just a little speck in the distance. But cool none the less. But seriously, do they mean to actually go out and get some moonlight? or to let the moonlight shine in while you sleep? I know that moonlight regulates a woman's cycle. Also, do they mean to play a musical note as a remedy kinda like aroma therapy, only it's music therapy? Cool stuff. But how would you package that up and put it on a store shelf? :LOL

[Tracy]

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[Yin Yang]

Trying to keep it up Trabot? OK, here we go...

Hope everyone is doing great and avoiding the flu successfully!
We are now on Oscillococcinum as well, since we could not get the Dolivax.

[turquoise]

Turquoise at the healthfood store: "I need some O-see-o-lilly-ox-e-num-e-num....you know, the stuff for the flu" there may have been a y-ma-call-it in there somewhere too.

$14.50 at the store *ouch!* and I have some on order from the website at about $8 for backup. Good thing! Trinity, with her lightning fast go-go-gadget fists of furry swiped the container out of my hand and spilled it all over the floor .

[Aquaduct]

As a fully-fledged Vegetarian(I eat no food that once had a face) I must admit I couldn't take oscillinum(made from goose liver).
I'm sure it often works. A lot of flu viruses are having their origin in birds. But hey have you thought of this? I reckon flus and colds are often Natures way of releasing toxins and stuff out of our bodies. Blowing all that mucus out of your nose is performing an amazing excretory function.

For example, I got badly affected by round-up poisoning last year...it was spray-drift from a golf-course (never live near a golf course). My energy levels crashed, I was getting stiff, headaches, poor concentration etc. That was for about 3 months until homeopathic remedies and a series of massages finally worked it out of my body. But that didn't happen until I developed a heavy flu which confined me to bed for nearly a week. I went thru much toilet paper and all my handkerchefs, many times over.....and after that I suddenly felt better.

Yes, sometimes sickness is good for us. We shouldn't always try to stop flus and colds.