Ignorant People....

[joannamf]

My neighborhood mom friend has three boys I knew her boys were circed (I met them after they were all born) but I've never brought up the subject, until now. I was telling her that we won't be circing if our baby is a son, and while initially she had questions to my correctness in that we are the only country that circs anymore, she then went on to say that she didn't want her sons to have "pigs ina blanket". Now, I JUST SAID my son wont be. Its so rude to say that in front of me.

She then went on to tell me that "I'll change my mind". Ok lady, I didn't just flip a coin and decide this, many hours of research has gone into this. I'm all the sudden going to change my mind?! It's not even like those hours were to benefit me so much as to being educated to argue with people.

[Galatea]

Yeah, discussing circ with people who already have sons is VERY difficult. I have armed myself with tons and tons of facts so I can blanket them if they try to argue. Usually they give up. If they try the "I prefer the way it looks," then you can respond with "You see their penises for 3 years; they will have to live with them and use them for a lifetime. Only their aesthetic judgment counts."

Then prepare to walk away, one less neighboorhood friend.

[kriket]

hehe,... pigs in a blanket I like the turtle neck analogy too!

People can be very stubborn. I've yet to find a good way to deal with it. I wish we could all have "intactivist" capes. That way we could swoop in and save babies! Maybe one day we can all hang up our capes because everyone will be intact. someday!

[tennisdude23]

That was just rude and classless. Tell her, that you don't want your son genitally mutilated. I seriously don't have patience for such people.

[kldliam]

I would have said: "we prefere snug in a blanket.... the tortured penis look is kinda sad/disturbing to us".

[Arduinna]

With that comment I'd break out the big guns.

[Nandi]

"Well I like the look where the baby wasn't tortured for your sexual preference"
that'll make you lots of friends. ha ha ha

[perspective]

Originally Posted by tennisdude23

That was just rude and classless. Tell her, that you don't want your son genitally mutilated. I seriously don't have patience for such people.

Naw, I saw if she says something so rude and basically sexist about her sons genitals, the OP should have said the same about that women. She should have said "Well I certainly prefer my son to have a natural penis, instead of some "fish taco"/ "axe wound" like you do."

If she is going to say such disgusting comments about the OP's sons genitals, she should get a taste of her own medicine. Although in reality I would never say that.

There is already such a lack of basic respect for the natural male body, and I would not sink to her level.

[tennisdude23]

Good point perspective. Perhaps, it's better not to sink to her level.

[bluetoes]

What she said is just plain rude and ignorant. Other than a basic hello I don't think I'd want to spend time around a person like this. If she is that ignorant and rude about the subject of circ. I am sure she's toxic in other ways.

[Abismommy]

I'm sorry you had to hear that! I have a daughter and am currently pregnant with another girl. All my friends except for one, have had their boys circumcised. They all make beyond ignorant comments. It's hard for me to keep my mouth shut, I don't even have a boy! Kudos for you for not telling her how it is

[kldliam]

Abismommy: I have a daughter and am currently pregnant with another girl. All my friends except for one, have had their boys circumcised. They all make beyond ignorant comments. It's hard for me to keep my mouth shut, I don't even have a boy! Kudos for you for not telling her how it is

1. "Not"?????? Please explain further.

2. Why do you HAVE to keep your mouth shut? Do you feel that this is an admirable quality about yourself? Might want to rethink that.

3. If you have a child, boy or girl, you can relate to childhood genital tampering/torture. Do not feel, that because you do not have a son, that you have no credibility on childhood genital mutilation.

Have you not researched female genital mutilation (FGM)? Have you seen one? I would like to send you a link of an FGM so that you can view one. Then I would send you a link to view the MGM video. Guess what? The crying and pain and suffering and humilation and torture is EXACTLY THE SAME!

Perhaps your feelings would be 'strong enough' to summons the courage to say something to your ignorant "friends", if they likewise made such ignorant comment about your own little girls disgusting non-circumcision?

[newlynaturaldad]

Originally Posted by joannamf

My neighborhood mom friend has three boys I knew her boys were circed (I met them after they were all born) but I've never brought up the subject, until now. I was telling her that we won't be circing if our baby is a son, and while initially she had questions to my correctness in that we are the only country that circs anymore, she then went on to say that she didn't want her sons to have "pigs ina blanket". Now, I JUST SAID my son wont be. Its so rude to say that in front of me.

She then went on to tell me that "I'll change my mind". Ok lady, I didn't just flip a coin and decide this, many hours of research has gone into this. I'm all the sudden going to change my mind?! It's not even like those hours were to benefit me so much as to being educated to argue with people.

To be honest with you, I am completely new to this topic. My son was circ from my previous marriage. When I met my current Fiance she had schooled my on all the legit reasons of why circ is not good and it has no advantages at all. And not to mention that I am taking away a peice of someones body that IS NOT MINE! I had seen a video on how its done and I couldnt believe it. All I Could do was go to my older son and hold him and cry and say I cant believe i let them do that to you. Alot of people dont put enough research into making that desision. WE ALL need to rise up together and make this topic a BIGGER topic than what people are making it out to be. My fiance is pregnant right now and we have agreed to not circ after researching all the advantages that have a non-circ penis has. I personally am not circ and I really regret not looking into it before my ex wife said yes to our son being circ.
Again, some people who talk wihout thinking are just really uneducated about things This issue is not in the spot light as much as it should be.

[newlynaturaldad]

My fiance talked to me about circ, as well as showed me video of a baby being circ, I couldnt believe it. My son, from a previous marriage who is 6 now, was circ and all i could do was go and cry and hold him and tell him i was sorry. I was not educated when my ex wife gave birth to him. Thats what the WHOLE issue is. I feel that if this topic was more in the spotlight than I feel like minds would be changed. It changed my mind in an instant. We are expecting in Aug and we are planning a natural home birth, no circ , everyhing natural. And I am very EXCITED!

[Abismommy]

Originally Posted by kldliam

1. "Not"?????? Please explain further.

2. Why do you HAVE to keep your mouth shut? Do you feel that this is an admirable quality about yourself? Might want to rethink that.

3. If you have a child, boy or girl, you can relate to childhood genital tampering/torture. Do not feel, that because you do not have a daughter, that you have no credibility on childhood genital mutilation.

Have you not researched female genital mutilation (FGM)? Have you seen one? I would like to send you a link of an FGM so that you can view one. Then I would send you a link to view the MGM video. Guess what? The crying and pain and suffering and humilation and torture is EXACTLY THE SAME!

Perhaps your feelings would be 'strong enough' to summons the courage to say something to your ignorant "friends", if they likewise made such ignorant comment about your own little girls disgusting non-circumcision?

Wow, I was just saying kudos for like not cussing her out, or really telling her off. I have no problems bringing up facts. I really feel attacked now and should have known better than coming in here. I'll just stay away from now on. I do personally believe that FGM and Circumcision are exactly the same. I have seen videos, they made me vomit. Just as watching a male circumcision. So from now on like I said, I'll stay away. Obviously coming her for facts and to be educated was the wrong move. I guess I'll have to do even further research on the internet and rely on my other intactivist friends. I did not mean to offend anyone, I was just making an observation. Of couse there is nothing wrong with stating facts and I have done so. How the hell do you think I felt when my SIL mutilated my 2 yo nephews genitals?! Huh, I was sickened beyond belief. Did anyone listen to me when I said his foreskin was a perfectly normal part of his body? That is was wrong to cut it off for a purely cosmetic standpoint? Nobody cared or gave a crap. So please don't make me out to be the bad guy! Before I even knew the sex of the child I am carrying I was dead set on having an intact child, not anything a mother should have to fight for. But I sat DP down explained everything to him, showed him facts, then showed him the video from youtube. He is now against slicing our child's penis when we do have a boy. So really how's that for you? Probably not good enough I'm sure.

[futurmama8]

I like to make people feel stupid. It would go something like this

neighbor: yeah all my sons are circed
me: we aren't doing that to our son
neighbor: WHAT!! then rattles off untrue facts and says but it looks better
me::You know what maybe I will! and if its a girl I'll circumcise her too! thanks neighbor for all your help, I just love plastic surgery for kids!
neighbor::

But hey thats just my style. he he

[kldliam]

I'm sorry I upset you Abismommy.

[robertandenith]

I like the idea of telling people that I prefer my son to look NATURAL, like God intended.

[AntoninBeGonin]

Originally Posted by Nandi

"Well I like the look where the baby wasn't tortured for your sexual preference"
that'll make you lots of friends. ha ha ha

Awesome

[urchin_grey]

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I've got similar responses after people find out DS is intact or from people that already know. Recently, one of my co-workers even "outed" his brother as being intact and asked me "did you know T has an elephant trunk??" Not only did he say it out loud, RIGHT in front of his poor brother, but this guy KNOWS that DS is intact. He dated my sister when she lived with me and he use to spend the night at our house ~2 years ago.

It was a good opportunity to make a grown man feel more confident about his foreskin though. He stopped defending himself to me as soon as I told him that my own son has all of his penis too.