Just watched a youtube circ video

[claddaghmom]

:Puke:Puke



I've always been against it. My family is intact. I knew the general procedures. I've seen the equipment.

But I have never seen it as it's happening. That is just sick on so many levels. I don't understand?? What does it take to do that to a newborn? Just listening to the screaming made me sick. I'm not being activist right now. I am genuinely confused. How could anyone strap a newborn to a table and do that??? No one questioned this?

[Fyrestorm]

That's a question I ask myself everyday! I really don't get it.

[balancedmama]

I think it's a good lesson in how pervasive cultural paradigms can be. I wonder how many other things even *we* do on a regular basis will be considered brutality to future generations. I hope circ is one of them. The more I have considered circ over the last 7 years or so, the more I am truly shocked that more people don't see it for what it is.

[LavenderMae]

I've never actually made it through watching an entire video, my heart just can't take it. I have listened to a whole one though (I was showing it to a soon to be mom of a boy, he's intact!) and it was gutwrenching to just listen. Those screams, I'll never forget them. The fact that it just doesn't need to be done just makes it so much more disturbing and it is just sick.

[Sheal]

3 intact boys and I've never been able to bring myself to even click a link to see it or look it up. It scares me. I can do it.

I think I would bawl uncontrollably to even watch it.

[mrsfrenchy]

Originally Posted by claddaghmom

:Puke:Puke



I've always been against it. My family is intact. I knew the general procedures. I've seen the equipment.

But I have never seen it as it's happening. That is just sick on so many levels. I don't understand?? What does it take to do that to a newborn? Just listening to the screaming made me sick. I'm not being activist right now. I am genuinely confused. How could anyone strap a newborn to a table and do that??? No one questioned this?

could you post a link (or PM it to me if you prefer)?
We only have a DD right now, but if we have any boys in the future, I'm kind of on the fence My common sense and my heart say 'leave them intact' but the part of me that is afraid of judgement from family (and the part of me that used to just assume that everyone did it) isn't sure.
I'm looking for something to "push me over the edge" and i'm pretty sure your video would do it.

[Limabean1975]

Originally Posted by mrsfrenchy

could you post a link (or PM it to me if you prefer)?
We only have a DD right now, but if we have any boys in the future, I'm kind of on the fence My common sense and my heart say 'leave them intact' but the part of me that is afraid of judgement from family (and the part of me that used to just assume that everyone did it) isn't sure.
I'm looking for something to "push me over the edge" and i'm pretty sure your video would do it.

Watch the video (or do a search, you'll find one somewhere on the internet). I am 99.999999% sure that you will not only become very anti-circ, but also never be able to shake the image or watch the video again. I watched one of those videos ONCE and everytime I see the word "circumcision" it plays in my head and I want to curl up and die.

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by mrsfrenchy

but the part of me that is afraid of judgement from family
I'm looking for something to "push me over the edge" and i'm pretty sure your video would do it.

Why would what your family thinks make any difference in what you choose to do (or not do) to your son's penis? I mean it's his penis, not theirs...he is the one that has to live with the consequences, not them. I mean, think about it, how much does your DP's penis effect his grandmother or his mother for that matter? The only people that are effected by it are him and you. No one else matters where your partners genitals are concerned, why should any one other than your son have a say in his genitals?

[njeb]

Originally Posted by mrsfrenchy

could you post a link (or PM it to me if you prefer)?
We only have a DD right now, but if we have any boys in the future, I'm kind of on the fence My common sense and my heart say 'leave them intact' but the part of me that is afraid of judgement from family (and the part of me that used to just assume that everyone did it) isn't sure.
I'm looking for something to "push me over the edge" and i'm pretty sure your video would do it.

I've bumped up a thread titled "Graphic Circ. Video." If you watch it, that will put all your doubts to rest.

I know where you're coming from, though. When you live in an area where intact males are rare, it's hard to question the prevailing mindset. It's like questioning whether the sun rises in the East! But I've been through it; my sons were left intact at a time and place when that was NOT a popular option. They've told me, now that they're grown men, that they feel as if they've dodged a bullet as far as this issue is concerned. Read the sticky threads at the top of this forum, too. You will find lots of information there.

[Arduinna]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

That's a question I ask myself everyday! I really don't get it.

me too. I just can't wrap my head around it.

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

That's a question I ask myself everyday! I really don't get it.

Same here. I also have no idea how in the world doctors get away with this. Sick, sick, sick...

[claddaghmom]

Originally Posted by balancedmama

I think it's a good lesson in how pervasive cultural paradigms can be. I wonder how many other things even *we* do on a regular basis will be considered brutality to future generations. I hope circ is one of them. The more I have considered circ over the last 7 years or so, the more I am truly shocked that more people don't see it for what it is.

ITA

The internet is really changing things for us. Now we can see things for what they are.

I still can't believe I clicked on that link and watched it. I will never get the sound of that baby's screaming out of my head. It was beyond a baby crying. That was primal.

DH said when he was 14 he watched a video where the boy puked and passed out during the procedure. He said that was enough for him. DH isn't intact, but he is 100% sure all his boys will be.

[PiesandAbrosmama]

I also just watched that graphic video link, my DS is in tact becasue he was a homebirth and I felt against it but I never watched a video showing the actual procedure. This is so unhumane what on earth are we thinking as a society

[Claire and Boys]

Originally Posted by Sheal

3 intact boys and I've never been able to bring myself to even click a link to see it or look it up. It scares me. I can do it.

I think I would bawl uncontrollably to even watch it.

me too. I cried just reading the transcript.

[MyBoysBlue]

Originally Posted by Sheal

3 intact boys and I've never been able to bring myself to even click a link to see it or look it up. It scares me. I can do it.

I think I would bawl uncontrollably to even watch it.

I have 2 intact boys and an intact husband and I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it either. I know it would haunt me forever. I am disturbed enough just reading about it. I can still know circumscision is wrong be and intactivist without watching the video.

[liliaceae]

Originally Posted by MyBoysBlue

I have 2 intact boys and an intact husband and I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it either. I know it would haunt me forever. I am disturbed enough just reading about it. I can still know circumscision is wrong be and intactivist without watching the video.

Definitely. I think the only people who have an obligation to watch it are the ones who are considering doing it. How could someone have something done to their baby boy that they can't even *watch* being done to another child?

[claddaghmom]

Originally Posted by mrsfrenchy

could you post a link (or PM it to me if you prefer)?
We only have a DD right now, but if we have any boys in the future, I'm kind of on the fence My common sense and my heart say 'leave them intact' but the part of me that is afraid of judgement from family (and the part of me that used to just assume that everyone did it) isn't sure.
I'm looking for something to "push me over the edge" and i'm pretty sure your video would do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRNoqk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmBsg...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZzfi...eature=related

[mtchen79]

I, too, cannot bring myself to watch a video of the procedure. I know it would give me nightmares.

I do remember before the birth of my daughter, DH and I were taking a parenting class at the hospital and they were showing a bunch of photos of newborns and what might seem odd is actually normal (like jaundice, milia bumps on the skin or a curved ear, stuff that corrects itself later) and one of the photos was a boy that had been circ'd with blood all over his penis while healing. The nurse doing the slideshow said something along the lines that the circ'd penis might look bad in the photo, but it heals up quickly and not to be alarmed by how graphic the picture was...I thought to myself, that still looks pretty alarming and horrifying (literally, like the baby had just been tortured) on such a tiny baby and that photo still bugs me to this day.

[mrsfrenchy]

Ok I watched about 3 seconds of the procedure
...i think i may go vomit now.

thanks ladies (i think...)

[mrsfrenchy]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Why would what your family thinks make any difference in what you choose to do (or not do) to your son's penis? I mean it's his penis, not theirs...he is the one that has to live with the consequences, not them. I mean, think about it, how much does your DP's penis effect his grandmother or his mother for that matter? The only people that are effected by it are him and you. No one else matters where your partners genitals are concerned, why should any one other than your son have a say in his genitals?

I know this. I know it doesn't matter. But its still there in the back of my head for some reason.
My parents raised me to care what others think about you (even when its not anyone else buisness) and that thought process has carried over to my adulthood--although I really wish it hadn't.
For example, DD and I recently went from exclusively pumping to nursing again when she was 5 months old. I was nervous to tell my MIL that we were nursing again (she FF her kids) because I didn't know what she would think about it. Incredibily stupid and shouldn't matter at all, I know. But it still worried me. (she was totally supportive about it btw)