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post #121 of 288
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Originally Posted by Jessy1019 View Post
Going back to my original point, as long as they are behaving appropriately, why not? I think it's far more rational to set standards for people's behavior than it is to exclude people based on age.
The problem is that children do not have to be behaving badly to cause a ruckus. Children can be happily and joyfully playing, and still disturb people who are paying for a weekend of peace and quiet.

In light of that, I can't imagine taking my kids to a B&B when they were young. Not because they were bad, but because they would run and stomp while playing, make incredible sound effects with their Hot Wheels, have little control over their "inside voices," etc.

Now, maybe other people have children that are mouselike, tip-toeing around and whispering, although that's highly unlikely to be the norm. IME, a lot of parents are so used to the clamour that their kids create that they tune it out, and don't realize that others might not appreciate it.
post #122 of 288
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Originally Posted by ShwarmaQueen View Post
So if the rules said "Absolutely no yelling, whining, screaming, tantrums, or misbehavior will be tolerated or the guests will be forced to leave the premesis due to the tranquil nature of our business" Would that be better than just saying "No kids allowed"?
Yup, as long as they intend to apply the rule to adults, too.
post #123 of 288
I found these 2 B&Bs near Memphis that allow children. Hope this helps


http://www.bedandbreakfast.com/missi...breakfast.html (children allowed in guest house)

http://www.bedandbreakfast.com/missi...uponatime.html
post #124 of 288
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Originally Posted by 2xy
Do you think that anyone should be allowed to play in the tunnels and other equipment at Chuck E. Cheese? A 200-lb., 20yo guy should be allowed to play in the structure with the LO's?

Just curious.
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Originally Posted by Jessy1019 View Post
Going back to my original point, as long as they are behaving appropriately, why not? I think it's far more rational to set standards for people's behavior than it is to exclude people based on age.
Umm sorry nope I don't want any random 20 plus year old 200lb grown up who has no bussiness playing on equipment designed for a toddler/child so is it after the 200 lb adult crashes againt our 25lb two year old that we say no you need to leave? SOme rules are set up for safety reasons. I don't think parents shoud be playing on the equipment eaither aiding there kids is diffrent.
post #125 of 288
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Originally Posted by 2xy View Post
IME, a lot of parents are so used to the clamour that their kids create that they tune it out, and don't realize that others might not appreciate it.
This is the real issue. While our kids might be the center of our personal universe, it's extremely unrealistic to expect them to be the center of every one else's universe. A mother's idea of "fussing quietly" or "joyful squeals at play" are just irritating noises to those who are not the parent of that child, and are not wanted in a B&B, spa or other establishment where the ambience is meant to be quiet and relaxing.

I might add non-stop yacking and screeching of a teen and pre-teen to that list of noises. Can you tell they are getting on my nerves this snow-bound Saturday morning? Wish I was in a B&B in Vermont right now...
post #126 of 288
Okay people. Seriously, one last time not allowing children in certain environments =/= racism. And the insistence that it is is patently offensive.
post #127 of 288
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Originally Posted by Jessy1019 View Post
Yup, as long as they intend to apply the rule to adults, too.
I think it's fair to say "No children" only because I don't know even a single child that can go 24-48 hours without any disturbance/outburst (happy or upset). IMO, it's much better business (and practical) for the B&B just to state what they mean, and not let people show up thinking their kids are welcome or won't act up (and then do) and forfeit their money. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't have that kinda $$.
post #128 of 288
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Originally Posted by TinkerBelle View Post
No one said that the mere sight of a child would wreck everything. Come on.
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Maybe not in those words but yes, I think that is what some of the posts are saying.

But that is not what I was saying in my post. I was not quoting anybody, just summing up my perception of an attitude that seems to be prevailing in this thread.

I feel like perhaps I have offended and that has not been my intention.

You did not offend me. Not in the least. I just don't agree with your assessment.

I believe that it is okay to have some places that are child-free. I don't feel a bit of guilt about wanting time alone with my husband, or by myself, without my children, from time to time.

No harm, no foul.
post #129 of 288
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Originally Posted by thismama View Post
No kids at the bank? Wha?? It's not about whether the child gets a huge kick out of the bank, but about the fact that people with children have to live our lives. I take my kids to the bank all the time, I'm not about to get childcare so I can go to the bank!
But are most banks kid friendly? Mine doesn't have fresh baked cookies, and is kind of a dull place for a kid to be. They aren't banned from the bank, I'm just saying that not all businesses are designed to be kids friendly. And are they morally obligated to be kid-friendly? Nah.
post #130 of 288
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Originally Posted by Jessy1019 View Post
Yup, as long as they intend to apply the rule to adults, too.
Disruptive adults usually ARE asked to leave. Some businesses cater to people who don't want to be around kids, and that's not evil or bad. I happen to love kids, which is why I pursued teaching as a career. But I don't think businesses are evil for not having kids. Are strip clubs, casinos, and bars, (it's generally illegal for under-age people to enter these businesses) somehow discriminatory for not allowing kids in?
post #131 of 288
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Originally Posted by Shonahsmom View Post
Okay people. Seriously, one last time not allowing children in certain environments =/= racism. And the insistence that it is is patently offensive.
Well, I don't think it 'equals racism,' no. And I think a B&B is an okay place to say no kids. But there was some discussion of no kids at the bank, etc. and IMO that is age discrimination and discrimination (against parents) based on family status. That does start to become pretty serious territory IMO. My life as a single mama would get about a billion times harder and more isolating if there were multiple random public places who felt they were free to say no children. That starts to infringe on human rights IMO.
post #132 of 288
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
This is the real issue. While our kids might be the center of our personal universe, it's extremely unrealistic to expect them to be the center of every one else's universe. A mother's idea of "fussing quietly" or "joyful squeals at play" are just irritating noises to those who are not the parent of that child, and are not wanted in a B&B, spa or other establishment where the ambience is meant to be quiet and relaxing.

I might add non-stop yacking and screeching of a teen and pre-teen to that list of noises. Can you tell they are getting on my nerves this snow-bound Saturday morning? Wish I was in a B&B in Vermont right now...
Honestly, I think the first part of your post sums it up very well. A lot of time's parents just don't realize that yes, a fussy baby is annoying, and that no, not everyone wants to hear your kid giggling and squealing. And while (most) parent's would take their kids out of a restaurant or somewhere if they throw a tantrum, by that time everyone else has been disrupted. The damage would be done. Child-free places seem like a great compromise to me. Not everyone wants to be around children constantly. And I think that's just fine.
post #133 of 288
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Originally Posted by kmeyrick View Post
But are most banks kid friendly? Mine doesn't have fresh baked cookies, and is kind of a dull place for a kid to be. They aren't banned from the bank, I'm just saying that not all businesses are designed to be kids friendly. And are they morally obligated to be kid-friendly? Nah.
You don't have to erect a playground in order to let children in. Children are people, family members, and can participate in the daily business of such without having everything targeted especially for them.

My goodness, if my child expected cookies and balloons everywhere we go, I would be in trouble.
post #134 of 288
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Originally Posted by kmeyrick View Post
Disruptive adults usually ARE asked to leave.
And that's how it should be -- for kids and adults. I wish the restaurants and movie theaters we went to were more active about removing disruptive patrons of all ages (and my kids are with me at those places 99% of the time).

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Are strip clubs, casinos, and bars, (it's generally illegal for under-age people to enter these businesses) somehow discriminatory for not allowing kids in?
As I said earlier, I have no objection to businesses following the law. I disagree with laws banning children from anywhere, and I feel it should be up to me, as a parent, to decide what sort of places are appropriate for MY children, but I understand that businesses have to follow the law if they want to stay open.

I just think it's absolutely ridiculous to presume disruptive behavior from kids is the norm when it shouldn't be -- and FWIW, I'm not particularly enamored by or interested in engaging with other people's children when I go out. But if they're acting appropriately for the situation, there's no reason to exclude them.
post #135 of 288
I like "no kids" rules b/c it is clearcut. If a business were to say "no tantrums" (as an example) I can just imagine the headaches it would cause them.

B&B Owner: I'm sorry, m'aam. Your daughter is throwing a tantrum. That's against our rules. I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

Mother: That's not a tantrum! She's just a tiny bit upset! But I would NOT define that as a "tantrum."

B&B Owner: Well it seems to be a tantrum to me. And other guests have complained.

Mother: I am telling you this is NOT a tantrum. She threw a tantrum last week, and THAT was a tantrum. This is NOT a tantrum.

B&B Owner: *sigh* It's a tantrum. It really is.

Mother: Well I'm going to sue you b/c this is not a tantrum.


It just makes no logical sense. What YOU as a parent (general you obviously) may feel is fine and dandy behavior, may not in reality be fine behavior to a B&B owner.

That's why the No Kids thing makes so much sense. No. Kids. It's easy.
post #136 of 288
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Originally Posted by karina5 View Post
That's why the No Kids thing makes so much sense. No. Kids. It's easy.
It is easy. It is also discrimination. Which doesn't necessarily mean it's always wrong, but I think it should be only permitted in very specific circumstances.
post #137 of 288
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Originally Posted by thismama View Post
You don't have to erect a playground in order to let children in. Children are people, family members, and can participate in the daily business of such without having everything targeted especially for them.

My goodness, if my child expected cookies and balloons everywhere we go, I would be in trouble.
Which is why I said kids aren't banned from the bank, it's just not designed to be kid friendly and there's nothing wrong with that. If a business caters to people who want a kidfree place to go, how is that so bad? I like kids. I spend all day with them. I make occasional babysitting money on the side. When I'm out in a bar I swear, may or may not get drunk, dress trashy. I actually don't want to see my students there.

Also, with some state laws and insurance policies, tiny businesses like B&Bs may *need* to avoid kids if they have antiques or serve liquor.

Jessy, I think stripping should be legal and protected, and my closest friend relied on stripping for a good while to make ends meet. But strip clubs, by their very nature, are meant for adults. Both the owners and patrons want it to be that way. Even if it were legal I think it'd be HIGHLY inappropriate.

And a little creepy.
post #138 of 288
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Originally Posted by thismama View Post
It is easy. It is also discrimination. Which doesn't necessarily mean it's always wrong, but I think it should be only permitted in very specific circumstances.


Well I agree with you that it should be allowed in only certain circumstances, that's why I'm not a big fan of the "bank" example.
post #139 of 288
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Originally Posted by kmeyrick View Post
Which is why I said kids aren't banned from the bank, it's just not designed to be kid friendly and there's nothing wrong with that. If a business caters to people who want a kidfree place to go, how is that so bad?
My point is that it depends on the business. I think discrimination against children by not permitting them on the premises is a pretty tricky area, and should only be permitted for specific businesses. So the bank for example should have no option of preventing children on the premises. Bars, sure (I guess, although ours are smokefree and I took my first babe to the pub a fair bit back in the day). B&Bs, okay. But that should not extend far beyond those two types of establishments IMO.
post #140 of 288
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Originally Posted by karina5 View Post
Well I agree with you that it should be allowed in only certain circumstances, that's why I'm not a big fan of the "bank" example.
Yeah the bank example I find highly disturbing. We start to get into territory where people are prevented from living their lives because they are parents. I don't know about you but I don't have childcare at my beck and call so I can do things like go to the bank! That's nuts.
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