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post #1 of 12
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We were planning a homebirth with a MW. One day at 30 weeks, I could not get our daughter to move for almost 24 hours. I called the MW and she sent me in for an ultrasound. The tech could not get the baby to move either, but she was breathing and heart rate was great. However, they noticed that my placenta was already a grade III, which I suppose is not normal for a 30 week pregnancy. After talking with MW, we decide to go to an OB for a biophysical profile, NST, and consultation. OB gets us in the next day with the understanding that we had to transfer care to her. No biggie because we knew we could choose to transfer back to MW if everything ended up being okay.

That's the back story.

Fast forward to today...38 weeks, 1 day. We have been seeing the OB every Monday for ultrasound monitioring of the baby, amniotic fluid, growth, and placental grade. In addition, we have been having weekly NST. Everything has been picture perfect, with the exception of marginally low fluid about three weeks ago (it was great the next week). OB initially said it was her impression that, due to the grade of the placenta at 30 weeks, that we would come in some day with off levels and an induction would be necessary....she said she doubted we would make it to 37 weeks. Until last week, my placenta stayed exactly as it was at 30 weeks...no futher break down.

But here we are and she says we are boringly normal...that can't be a bad thing, huh? My placenta aged a bit more last week and had more calcifications that the previous week. However, OB said my placenta is now where she would expect a placenta to be at this stage in pregnancy. OB is saying that she would not feel comfortable with this pregnancy going past 40 weeks because of the placenta issues, the natural progression of placental breakdown, and my placenta being prematurely aged. BUT, I don't think it is prematurely aged now. At 30 weeks, yes. At 37 weeks, she said it looked about like what a 37 weeks placenta should look like.

Last Monday, she started talking about induction prior to the due date. The EDD is January 3rd. She said it was up to us, but asked if we wanted to go ahead and schedule in case I did not go into labor without the induction. She asked if we wanted to schedule for the weekend after Christmas because if it was only the matter of a few days, did we want a tax break? She wasn't saying to induce only for tax reasons, but just that if she wanted to induce by the 3rd, did we want to do it a few days earlier. No biggie to her.

I expressed concern because I am not effaced or dialated at all. I told her that without any effacement or dialation, I was afraid I would not respond to pitocin and end up with a section.

Then, she offered this: Do a two step induction. Come in this week for an induction with cervidil to try to get me to dialate. If I dialate, great, we have a baby. If I do not dialate, they remove the cervidil and I return a week later to try again with pitocin. What do you think about this plan?

I need to talk to her more about why she does not want me to go past 40 weeks. I really, really do not want to be induced. But I am also now scared that something will happen to this baby.

Does anyone have any suggestions for compromise with the OB. She is really open to listening to my feedback. Could I ask for daily NST after 40 weeks? Are there other things that can be done to make sure our daughter is safe, while buying her a little more time?

What does everyone think?
post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by 2happymamas View Post
What does everyone think?
Honestly, I would be concerned as well. You're a first time mom, and inductions fail about half the time with first timers. Also, if you have a poor bishop score (look it up online for a link) it's highly unlikely that it will work anyhow.

If you are 'boringly normal' as the OB is saying, at what point can you ask to be transferred back to the midwife? If it were me, I would be fighting to go back to the mws care.
post #3 of 12
I have no specific advice other than to fight for what you think is right:

Speak up, even if your voice trembles

post #4 of 12
I was also wondering why you have not transfered back to the MW if everything is fine now. If you are not comfortable leaving the OB could you call the MW and talk to her on the phone or go in for a consultation to get a second opinion- even if you have to pay out of pocket.

TBH, though this is my opinion based on a little bit of info, it sound like the OB was already to swoop in and be the hero to rescue you from your HB and MW. Now that you are "boringly normal" she has to scare you into inducing.So she can swoop in and give you a section and "save your DD's life" and/or rescue her from your placenta.
post #5 of 12
I would be very tempted to have a conversation with your midwife as well.

There are really no tests that can predict your baby's longer term outcome. NST/biophysical profiles will tell you that your baby is doing great (or not great) today, but have no predictive value as to how they will be doing tomorrow. Ironically, they do help calm down a nervous provider, so you might buy yourself some time with your OB, but honestly I would dig deep and try to figure out what your gut is telling you. If YOU feel nervous about continuing the pregnancy and feel like the induction is the right thing to do, that speaks louder than what this OB is saying. However if you're having doubts and don't feel like it's the right decision, rethink. It's hard once someone has planted the seed of fear, but I truly believe that our intuition is a powerful guide if we figure out how to tune into it.

(((hugs))) and good luck with whatever you do.
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Originally Posted by pammysue View Post
I was also wondering why you have not transfered back to the MW if everything is fine now. If you are not comfortable leaving the OB could you call the MW and talk to her on the phone or go in for a consultation to get a second opinion- even if you have to pay out of pocket.

TBH, though this is my opinion based on a little bit of info, it sound like the OB was already to swoop in and be the hero to rescue you from your HB and MW. Now that you are "boringly normal" she has to scare you into inducing.So she can swoop in and give you a section and "save your DD's life" and/or rescue her from your placenta.
I see what you're saying, but I really don't think the part about the OB wanting to rescue me from the MW and HB is completely accurate. She is actually very pro-MW and supportive of HB. She is the OB to backs up the local birthing center and has a reputation for natural birth and being supportive of midwivery. She was the first choice of my MW. Knowing this about her is part of what gives me hesitation.

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I would be very tempted to have a conversation with your midwife as well.

There are really no tests that can predict your baby's longer term outcome. NST/biophysical profiles will tell you that your baby is doing great (or not great) today, but have no predictive value as to how they will be doing tomorrow. Ironically, they do help calm down a nervous provider, so you might buy yourself some time with your OB, but honestly I would dig deep and try to figure out what your gut is telling you. If YOU feel nervous about continuing the pregnancy and feel like the induction is the right thing to do, that speaks louder than what this OB is saying. However if you're having doubts and don't feel like it's the right decision, rethink. It's hard once someone has planted the seed of fear, but I truly believe that our intuition is a powerful guide if we figure out how to tune into it.

(((hugs))) and good luck with whatever you do.
This is hard to explain. I think it has to do with the seed of fear and our previous loss. I think everything would be okay, but what if it wasn't? The MW also expressed some degree of concern about going over 40 weeks given the situation.

I feel like it's been so hard to get to this point. From buying sperm, inseminations, ultrasounds, medications, doctors, losing a baby, and getting this one to 38 weeks....it's been a long road. This probably won't come out right, but even getting pregnant is a harder path than many experience....it's not like getting pregnant is a simple thing (and I know it's not easy for a lot of people). I can't risk losing her now. I don't necessairly think a hospital birth is technically safer, but I know where my mind would go if we tried for a HB and something happened to the baby. I can't risk that.

Also, DW was not comfortable with the idea of HB at first. After meeting our (awesome) MW, she was much, much more comfortable. When discussing the HB, I always promised her I would transfer in a second if a problem came up....I know I have to take her concerns into consideration, too. It's also her baby. She said tonight she does not care how she is born...she could be born in a cabbage patch...she just wants her here and healthy.

That being said, I don't think an induction is necessary at this point. I want to give her more time, but I think the seed of fear has me too afraid to try to homebirth at this point. That makes me really sad, too, because I LOVE our MW. We have actually hired her to be our doula at the hospital birth.
post #7 of 12
Given all that you have gone through - you've got a lot to weigh. I say go w/your gut! You are the mom, you are carrying this baby and you know her pretty well by now! And remember - no matter what, the outcome is to have a healthy baby, how they get here doesn't really matter in the long run. I've had 2 miscarriages, though I get pregnant easily enough ( lol ) I can relate to the fear of making it far enough.

Your gut tells you she's ok, leave her be. She'll tell you if there's a problem. I too have a MW but have been seeing my reg OB throughout my pregnancy as well, just in case. It turned out to be a good thing since I wound up on bedrest trying to keep this little guy in until 37 wks (I'm now almost 40 wks so he can come out ANYTIME!! hint to him ).

Don't let anyone pressure you into something you don't want to do! The last time I let a dr do that, my little girl wound up being autistic - - but that's a story for some other time! Good luck, you're all in my thoughts!
post #8 of 12
Could you try mechanical induction, like a foley catheter or cook cervical ripening balloon first? Just trying to think of other options that aren't as drastic as pitocin, and these are what they use for VBAC induction.

Like you, I would feel uncomfortable doing an induction if you are not effaced or dilated at all.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by 2happymamas View Post
I see what you're saying, but I really don't think the part about the OB wanting to rescue me from the MW and HB is completely accurate. She is actually very pro-MW and supportive of HB. She is the OB to backs up the local birthing center and has a reputation for natural birth and being supportive of midwivery. She was the first choice of my MW. Knowing this about her is part of what gives me hesitation.



This is hard to explain. I think it has to do with the seed of fear and our previous loss. I think everything would be okay, but what if it wasn't? The MW also expressed some degree of concern about going over 40 weeks given the situation.

I feel like it's been so hard to get to this point. From buying sperm, inseminations, ultrasounds, medications, doctors, losing a baby, and getting this one to 38 weeks....it's been a long road. This probably won't come out right, but even getting pregnant is a harder path than many experience....it's not like getting pregnant is a simple thing (and I know it's not easy for a lot of people). I can't risk losing her now. I don't necessairly think a hospital birth is technically safer, but I know where my mind would go if we tried for a HB and something happened to the baby. I can't risk that.

Also, DW was not comfortable with the idea of HB at first. After meeting our (awesome) MW, she was much, much more comfortable. When discussing the HB, I always promised her I would transfer in a second if a problem came up....I know I have to take her concerns into consideration, too. It's also her baby. She said tonight she does not care how she is born...she could be born in a cabbage patch...she just wants her here and healthy.

That being said, I don't think an induction is necessary at this point. I want to give her more time, but I think the seed of fear has me too afraid to try to homebirth at this point. That makes me really sad, too, because I LOVE our MW. We have actually hired her to be our doula at the hospital birth.
It sounds like you are worried that 1) birthing baby too early will harm baby and 2) birthing baby without advanced medicine might harm baby. It sounds like you also wish you could participate in a perfect natural delivery in the comfort of your own home. Idealistic. but that you have lost so much already, you cant take any more loss.

I really liked the option your ob gave you. Try to dialate, and if it fails, wait a week. But There seems to be no harm in asking to have you checked daily and wait as long as you can. I say stick with the OB, but try and push for a longer pregnancy as long as baby and placenta are healthy. Your MW as doula will bring alot of peace, and you can still do it naturally. :-) Good luck!!
post #10 of 12
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Update

We went to the OB yesterday morning and found that the amniotic fluid index dropped from 13 to 6 in one week. The following is what happened next....

After finding out the amniotic fluid was low yesterday morning, we checked into the hospital last night for a trial induction. Given that my cervix was not dilated or effaced at all, the OB wanted to try to ripen my cervix with cervidil. They inserted it last night, left it in for 12 hours, took it out this morning, and found I was still not dilated or effaced. I was having small contractions that did not hurt at all....I could feel a small amount of tightening, but really we could tell from the monitor I was having them.

They started pitocin this morning at 9:00....started with 2 and upped the dose by 2 every 30 minutes until I was getting 20 units. OB said she really did not think I would have Coco, but wanted to see how the baby would tolerate the labor. I continued to have painless contractions all day and the baby tolerated them perfectly. Her heartrate was excellent. At 4:30, the OB said I could come off the pitocin drip and go home. I was confused that she was telling me to go home with the concern over the amniotic fluid level and she said that while it was low, the baby did very well tolerating labor. She did well enough that the OB was not concerned about the low level because of how well she did over the 22 hours (oxytocin challenge test).

I go back to the OB Friday afternoon. The HB MW we saw prior to the placenta problems wants me to try to a more natural induction prior to the appointment with the OB on Friday.....I am relatively sure the OB will want us to induce again Friday or Saturday. The OB wants to deliver before the due date due to some of the concerns, but did not want to push things too fast today. She said she hoped that the cervidil and pitocin would prompt my body to go into labor on its own within the next few days.

What do you all know about blue and black cohosh, castor oil, and birth root? Those items are part of the protocol the MW wants me to try prior to appointment with OB on Friday.
post #11 of 12
I did blue cohosh for 24 hours before Molly, born at 42w5d. I would not do castor oil, personally. ONLY do cohosh if you're under the care of your MW. It may not do anything, but it also could rush things really fast which is why you need to be sure about what you're doing and that someone is watching you.

Perhaps a prenatal massage and a breast pump might also be worth considering?

best wishes
--janis
post #12 of 12
I took the castor oil tonight and I have nothing to show for it so far it's only been an hour and a half or so from when I took it, so hopefully we will have a baby soon!

Good luck
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