Originally Posted by Lydiah
You are right it is a waste of my time. She was going on and on. Using her degree to back up everything she said.
I don't know if it's the same in Canada, but you might let her know that, at least in America, part of the cost of each vaccine goes to a fund to pay for vaccine reactions that they know happen. Why would they have a place to report vaccine reactions to, if they didn't happen?
Even listening to advertisements on TV for vaccines, like all drugs, is mind-boggling. I just learned today that some meningococcal (spelling?) vaccine can cause Guilliam Barre Syndrome! Woohoo, sounds most excellent, right?
But if you went up and said to a random nurse (or my stepmom, a NICU nurse) and said "no I won't have that vaccines b/c it can cause G-B", or if you said "my kid got G-B after this vaccine", they'd think you were nuts, EVEN THOUGH it says it RIGHT IN THE TV ADS.
Originally Posted by LisaJP
you know, my dh is rather similar: one time he said something like, well isn't questioning them bad? because the drs are the experts, not us, and he equated it to our roles as teachers and our students' parents trying to tell us how to do our job. We are both HS teachers, btw.
If one day you spelled something wrong, or got a date in history wrong, or did a math problem wrong...both of you would WANT a student to call you on it, right? I hope so! So that doesn't really continue on as a good argument from him, LOL.
And all he needs to do is look at the FDA and all the changes they make over the years. Think of hormone therapy...first it was untried, then it was a miracle, but now they are finding all sorts of awful things about it. Or asthma drugs, that's a good one right now...propellant problems and changes aside, a few have just been dropped from the list of things that can be used for asthma, b/c they have a pesky problem of killing people with even worse asthma attacks. If the doctors didn't get reports about it, if they didn't look into it, they wouldnl't take those drugs away for that purpose (they are still allowed for other lung ailments).
Perhaps you could print out a list of ingredients in vaccines. EAch and every one of them. Take out the reason for the injection, take out the "active" ingredient...see if they would inject those things for no reason, or any OTHER reason. Say there's a homeopathic medicine in the syringe along with those other ingredients...would they want that? (wait, that might not work, since some homeopathics come from really nasty places...don't look up oscillococcinum unless you're brave, LOL, and that's mainly just "ew" for vegetarians like me)
I rarely get into discussion about vaxes in real life (made sure the dude I'd just met was cool with no-vaxes on our second date and that went fine, he's my hubby...but then got into a HUGE argument with a bridesmaid on my bachelorette weekend that did NOT go well), but when I do I ignore the hot-button reaction stuff (autism, etc...not that I don't believe that it happens post-vaccine, I DO, it's just they've already heard the naysayers on the news, etc). I just talk about the immune system and how it works, and how I don't want to mess with it, and leave it at that. I also tell them how to help a kid through diphtheria (family knowledge from my great grandfather getting the one out of 7 children that got it through it) and then talk about how family lore is that my grandmother's first child died at 6 of polio, but then describe how she was ordered to the hospital b/c she was sick, then was left in a hallway, alone, for about a day...no one ever checked to see if it was indeed polio, but it was during the "epidemic" and she died, and that was it.
And on top of that, the wife of the founder of the chiro school I attended was a nurse way back when. She was a new nurse when the definition of polio *was changed*, they had to be re-taught what polio was. This was shortly AFTER the vaccine came out...polio before was x degree for y days, and some other small symptoms (paralytic was not the only way polio presented). After the vaccine came out, it was a MUCH higher fever for about 2 more days than before, and the symptoms were much "bigger". So OF COURSE polio incidence went down after the vaccine, because they changed the definition of it.
She was a woman who was a bit odd but I greatly admired her knowledge, and that was so so so cool to know someone who was working as a nurse at that time, and remembered the changes that happened in the post-polio vaccine world.
I hope some of my ramblings help someone.
While I was in chiro school I knew a fellow student whose wife left him and dropped out of chiro school. Turned out she never really believed in it all, and she went back to some sort of medical oriented schooling when she left him. She took their kids, and ended up getting them ALL of their vaccines on ONE appointment. They were around 10 and 8. That was a whole bunch of vaccines. The next time I saw them, while they visited their dad, was shortly after...those two healthy, vital kids had lost hair, lost weight, gotten pasty and drawn looking. They looked sick and ill and it was awful. The hair thing was the worst for me.
After seeing that happen and hearing their dad rage and cry about what his ex-wife did to their kids, I feel so much empathy for people whose sig others aren't as gung ho as they are about it. And so I hope my ramblings might help some sig others to hear things that maybe they haven't heard before (by the way, with diphtheria, according to the family lore, a membrane grows across the throat, so you have to stay up with the ill person, and when their breathing gets bad, you sweep the membranes away with your finger...that's how my great grandfather helped his child through (and remember that one out of seven kids in the household got it, it didn't sweep through the household at all)), so the fear of sig others doing scary things can be diminished.