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venting about 4 year old!  

post #1 of 8
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My ds turned 4 at the end of September. He's a very bright child, so I'm not worried about him hitting developmental stages late. When he was 2, I was the moms sitting around thinking, "Gee, I don't know what everyone complains about - 2's are a breeze." When he turned 3, it was like a slap in the face - suddenly there was CONSTANT testing of limits and power struggles. Those power struggles have slowly gotten better since he turned 4, and even though they are still there, as they are will all children, they are much less frequent and he has a lot more ability to reason and control his temper.

But lately, I'm starting to see things that I expected to see with a 2 year old, that I'm just seeing now. He picked up a handful of salt on the sidewalk the other day, thinking it was snow, and ate it (actually, only a few pellets made it into his mouth). He KNOWS not to pick things up from the ground to eat, and he never did when he was younger. He learned his lesson with that one because it tasted nasty and a little rubbed on his chapped skin which irritated it more. Hooray for nautral consequences.

Well, today, he was using his dry erase marker in his book, and he was very appropriate (I thought) and entertaining himself while I made lunch. I know that if I come and interrupt him when he's working on a skill, that he just abandons it and wants me to do it for him, so I kept my distance and let him be and peeked in every few minutes. After lunch, I sat down with him and noticed scribbles on the aquarium. I was irritated, but when I bent to investigate that, I noticed his scribbles all over the side of the couch. Again, this is something he KNOWS - he's stained his shirts before with markers and understands that they stay only on the book. It took me a long time to even allow markers in the house because I was afraid of this. But he never experimented with crayons when he was younger, so I thought we were safe. And when you're two, I thought you experimented because you didn't know what would happen or you were just getting the hang of using the object. But a FOUR year old - really??? Is this normal?

I'm just so frustrated right now - feeling like we're regressing to stages that should have happened years ago, rather than developing in maturity and responsibility. I know not to take things he does personally, but it feels like it was a completely defiant act and I feel helpless in how to respond - he's obviously not invested in trying to get the stain out.

Anyway, thanks for "listening." I just needed to vent a little. Does it ever get easier?
post #2 of 8
Ugh, I sure hope so because my 4.5yo is also driving us crazy. Well, he has been for about a year and a half now, just like your ds! I have to remind myself that a lot of it is developmental, like the fact that he is still so egocentric. Maybe it's because I had a girl first, but I feel like by this point my dd was more...aware and conscientious of others.

He is also VEEEEERY stubborn! This is probably a good trait for later in life and we are trying to respect it, but my goodness it makes like challenging.

And then there's the whining....that might be the worst thing. I cannot wait until the whining is over....

Okay, there's my rant and rave! We really do love him, but oh my 3 and 4 are trying years!
post #3 of 8
Rose-Roget, it sounds to me like your 4yo is testing limits. He KNOWS that he's not supposed to write on the furniture, he knows it will stain the couch, but what he doesn't know is how you'll respond when he does those things.

I'm also getting the sense that he's grown in self-confidence. He might not have been the "typical 2yo" because he was afraid of making mistakes, but now he's bigger and more assertive and ready to test these limits. And really, he's not doing anything "atypical" for his age. I didn't trust DS with markers until he was about 6.5.
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Ruthia, I totally agree with those things. He is completely testing limits, and it's a good point that he's grown in self-confidence. I'm glad that he's developing more self-confidence, but there will be a definite consequence anyway.

Mere and Ruthla, it's good for me to hear from others that this IS typical. I have friends who give their 2 year olds (usually girls, though) markers and they do just fine, so I had thought that 4 was more than reasonable. Guess I was wrong. The trick is that dry erase markers are amont of the few fine motor motivators for him - I'll just have to be ultra-vigilant if he uses them...
post #5 of 8
I think it's just his age. He is curious and trying things out and trying you as well. Mine did this at that age. I didn't allow my kids to use markers and paint without me there beside them until they were at least school age and even then they had to be at the kitchen table and not allowed to carry them around the house.
post #6 of 8
My ds (4 on 11/1) has done both of those things within the last month. Well, he actually scribbled on the dresser, but we don't have an aquarium.

I also posted recently about how he methodically tried to take the house apart one day last week.

I keep telling myself that when he's 14, I'll be missing these days.

Hang in there!
post #7 of 8
Hmmm.... my first thought was, I remember getting in trouble at the age of 6 for drawing on the walls with crayon in a duplex we lived in while my dad was in the Navy. So I thought, a 4 year old, mostly unsupervised, with a marker.... no big surprise... I'm sure it'll pass. But please, please, please do not do what my mom did. One day I came home from school with a picture I'd drawn. She said it was a beautiful picture then took a crayon and scribbled all over my picture until I was sobbing and crying, and I was trying to rescue my picture from her. She then said, that is how I feel when you draw on my walls. (I didn't believe it then, and I don't believe now that she felt as bad as I did. My feelings were hurt, the thing I was most proud of - my artistic abililtes - were destroyed by the one person who's opinion meant the most to me, her walls were dirty, really no comparison). She made me scrub those walls, too and took away all my crayons, pencils, everything.
post #8 of 8
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Oh, Purity, that's horrible! There is a consequence, but nothing THAT severe (I hope!). We talked to him about the fact that he is fortunate enough to have nice things that some people are not as fortunate to have, and that because we have them, we need to respect and take care of them. Then, we had him choose 1 of 3 toys (enjoyed, but not beloved) to give to people who are not as fortunate to have so many nice things.

I have learned my lesson, too. I will now be sitting with him while he uses markers (and scissors, just for good measure ), rather than letting him be out of sight. I'm glad to hear that it's still perfectly age-appropriate, and that he's not a defiant child trying to get back at me for something!
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