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post #81 of 122
Well, since we strive for balance rather than an all-or-nothing approach to most things -- and since I recognize that my daughter is a person of her own mind and interests independent of me, which is why all out "bans" are things I don't quite find fair --- I choose instead, to filter information and access through the lens of what I find to be age appropriate.

I don't dig the whole good/bad/wicked/beautiful aspect of the princess movies for instance, so we haven't introduced those. However, we absolutely ADORE Imagination Movers on playhouse Disney (along with a few others) so we are totally fine with that.

We live in Orlando FL and haven't been to Disney yet with dd (she is 3.5). Too much money right now and also, she is a bit too young. I have lived here for nearly 20 years and I have only been to Disney a handful of times.

I think banning things is a bit... extreme. We don't really purchase character merchandise but we have a couple little things here and there. I mean, I have a Beatles t-shirt, it doesn't mean I am a "slave to marketing". It just means, hey, I think they are pretty darn great. Same with the random commerical item dd has.

I don't get issues like this seem to get people so up in arms. I mean, of course I see the point of view, but it isn't as though Walt Disney himself is evil incarnate trying to control your every thought, and if your kids see a Disney movie they will turn into racist homophobics who try to kill people with poisoned apples or whatever.
post #82 of 122
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Originally Posted by Jokerama View Post
I know Universal Studios in Orlando is supposed to be building one. I don't know if there are any others.
I did some googling. It is being built by Universal Studies Orlando (like you said ) in their Island Adventure Park. It will open in 2009. I am a giganto nerd and am unreasonably excited about this. Not that we'll be able to go, realistically, but I'm looking forward to videos and pictures.
post #83 of 122
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
Never been there. But I don't like Disney movies/books etc. because of the art. I think it looks tacky and cheap, the epitome of mass-produced consumer culture.
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Originally Posted by YesandNo View Post
I'm not a fan of the Cult of Princesshood, which I strongly associate with Disney. I have no interest in going, family vacations are about travel / seeing new things for me.

Haven't read through most of the thread, but I agree with these posts.
post #84 of 122
We like and watch all the Pixar movies.
We don't watch the "regular" Disney movies.

I remember watching Disney movies as a kid, in the 70's, and not being crazy about them. I'm still not. I never understood or followed the whole Mickey Mouse thing or Disney World thing either.
I went to Disney Land as an adult and was underwhelmed by it.

Ds doesn't really care about Disney either, but dh feels that one of our roles as a parent is to take him to Disney World someday.
So we'll go, maybe in a year or two. I'm sure we'll all enjoy Epcot and Seaworld and the other stuff.
post #85 of 122
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Originally Posted by menomena View Post
wait! what? where have i been? there's a harry potter themepark? is it open? links? :
It was originally scheduled to open in 2009 in Florida, but I don't know more than that.

http://www.universalorlando.com/harrypotter/

2010 now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18950473/

(this one says late 2009)..
post #86 of 122
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Originally Posted by talk de jour View Post
If you don't mind me asking, how much?
The prices change every year, but when we bought them last year I think they were $169 each and the blackout days include Sundays and holidays, which are the busiest times to go anyway. I think the price of a day ticket for both parks is $93 right now, so it's not a bad deal to get an AP
post #87 of 122
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Originally Posted by littleaugustbaby View Post
The mid-grade passes are around $260.
That's one of the more expensive mid-grade passes. Here is a link to the Annual Pass prices. We have the So. Cal passes and they're $174 now.
post #88 of 122
I'm torn. I hate everything they stand for...the cult of the princess, women as weak and needing to be rescued, the way they treat their employees, etc. When I lived in Orlando everyone I knew had a story about someone getting hurt or mugged at Disneyworld or on pleasure island and it being covered up to keep from scaring tourists away. Of course there's the FOAF factor to consider, but there are websites devoted to the evils of Disney and everyone can't be lying, yk? Having been the victim of a crime at a resort and seeing first hand how the cops and resort security conspired to cover it up, I don't find it difficult to believe the same things go on at Disney.

But....I feel like every child needs to experience Disneyland or Disneyworld once. I also know realistically they're nearly impossible to boycott because they own everything. Unless you're tv, magazine and radio free, that is.

http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=disney

I happen to like the History Channel and A&E, and had no idea they were owned by Disney.
post #89 of 122
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
Well, since we strive for balance rather than an all-or-nothing approach to most things -- and since I recognize that my daughter is a person of her own mind and interests independent of me, which is why all out "bans" are things I don't quite find fair --- I choose instead, to filter information and access through the lens of what I find to be age appropriate.

I don't dig the whole good/bad/wicked/beautiful aspect of the princess movies for instance, so we haven't introduced those. However, we absolutely ADORE Imagination Movers on playhouse Disney (along with a few others) so we are totally fine with that.

We live in Orlando FL and haven't been to Disney yet with dd (she is 3.5). Too much money right now and also, she is a bit too young. I have lived here for nearly 20 years and I have only been to Disney a handful of times.

I think banning things is a bit... extreme. We don't really purchase character merchandise but we have a couple little things here and there. I mean, I have a Beatles t-shirt, it doesn't mean I am a "slave to marketing". It just means, hey, I think they are pretty darn great. Same with the random commerical item dd has.

I don't get issues like this seem to get people so up in arms. I mean, of course I see the point of view, but it isn't as though Walt Disney himself is evil incarnate trying to control your every thought, and if your kids see a Disney movie they will turn into racist homophobics who try to kill people with poisoned apples or whatever.
For me, it is more about choosing what my child will be exposed to as much as I can. I don't ban it per se, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to avoid if your life never involves the mall, tv, or major cities. The books are easy enough to avoid and not all that well written . . .

It is not like I ban it, it is more like I don't buy into it as a desirable or essential experience for children. I don't buy into amusement parks mostly either. And as my child will homeschool, I just don't expect him to run into it that much. I wouldn't buy him a Disney t-shirt but I also wouldn't buy him an AC/DC t-shirt, kwim? Because it isn't really on our radar, and I don't desire to put it on there.

I was dragged to WDW as a teen (who just wanted to stay with friends) and it was annoying, IMO. Maybe that colors my perspective, but I don't know, it just isn't something I sweat at all. I would much rather make sure all my children got to go to Europe or Africa than Disney, kwim?
post #90 of 122
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Originally Posted by captain crunchy View Post
I don't get issues like this seem to get people so up in arms. I mean, of course I see the point of view, but it isn't as though Walt Disney himself is evil incarnate trying to control your every thought, and if your kids see a Disney movie they will turn into racist homophobics who try to kill people with poisoned apples or whatever.
Just a side note, because your post made me think of it, Disney is actually very gay friendly. They support same sex partner benefits, etc. The Human Rights Campagin had them on their 2008 "Best Places to Work for GLBT Equality" list.

That's one reason that I don't feel bad supporting them occasionally. Any time a mega-corp like that supports equal rights, that's a big deal in the grand scheme of equal rights for all. They are boycotted by certain religious groups, so it makes me happy to see that they'd rather be boycotted by some than stop treating their employees the way they ought to be treated.
post #91 of 122
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Originally Posted by alaskanteach View Post
It was originally scheduled to open in 2009 in Florida, but I don't know more than that.

http://www.universalorlando.com/harrypotter/

2010 now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18950473/

(this one says late 2009)..
They have a whole part of the park blocked off and you can see the buildings for the ride going up. And it looked like they already have the accessory buildings built or they converted the names of stands and stuff to Harry Potter theme in that area. They were all built and named but closed. So I assumed they are new.
Oh, it was on the Islands of Adventure side.

By the way, the Islands of Adventure has a Suess land for kids that is really well done. The theme and rides are as good/better than Magic Kingdom in that Suess area. I never thought of it as a kid park but next time we go I'm getting tickets for the kids. Universal/Islands of Adventure is much less expensive than Disney but of course not as big and elaborate for kids.
post #92 of 122
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Originally Posted by TheBluebird View Post
Just a side note, because your post made me think of it, Disney is actually very gay friendly. They support same sex partner benefits, etc. The Human Rights Campagin had them on their 2008 "Best Places to Work for GLBT Equality" list.

That's one reason that I don't feel bad supporting them occasionally. Any time a mega-corp like that supports equal rights, that's a big deal in the grand scheme of equal rights for all. They are boycotted by certain religious groups, so it makes me happy to see that they'd rather be boycotted by some than stop treating their employees the way they ought to be treated.
They're gay friendly, so long as you look extremely generic and mainstream. At least in the 90s, that was how it was. No tattoos, no piercings, nail polish only allowed in certain colors, hairstyles dictated by the management, etc.

It looks like some of the rules relaxed in the late 90s
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/mar/26/local/me-12798
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/li..._the_magic_of/

I can't find a link to the article I read years ago, but another complaint about them is the way they copyright stories such as 'the little mermaid' and sleeping beauty, which are much older than Disney, and then tie up smaller companies in court whenever they have anything with those names on them. They shouldn't be able to own those names when the legends are older than Disney. They can copyright/patent their images and their work, but it isn't right for them to take those names out of the public domain, or prevent others from using them by throwing their weight around.

I think of them as a manipulative bully.
post #93 of 122
I think, as with almost everything now, Disney does not portray women in the best/most respectful way. In other words, I don't think it's necessary for Princess Jasmine or Ariel or any of the other female characters to have half their breasts showing, and have absolutely no variety among them in terms of beauty. They're all very thin, large eyes, breasts on display, etc.

However, as a kid, I watched all those movies and went to Disney World. And I NEVER picked up on that. Not only did I not pick up on it, I wasn't influenced by it.

I only saw it later as an adult.

As with anything, I think it all goes back to communication/discussion within families. In my family we discussed EVERYTHING. There was nothing that was censored from me, but we always discussed to make sure I understood things - logically.

So, while I see the problems with Disney, I'm not bothered by them to the point of censoring Disney from my (future) kids. We'll just discuss, discuss, discuss.
post #94 of 122
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They're gay friendly, so long as you look extremely generic and mainstream. At least in the 90s, that was how it was. No tattoos, no piercings, nail polish only allowed in certain colors, hairstyles dictated by the management, etc.
But the dress code applies to everyone. It's not like straight people get to show tatoos and such. No one can.
post #95 of 122
I'm fine with Disney. We go when each girl turns four. I love Disneyland personally. I see some of the issues with marketing and some of the movies - but lots of them have good things too. I love Mulan and Beauty and the Beast.
post #96 of 122
Love, Love, Love it!:

We go twice a year as a family. It is clean and fun--and even my perpetually bored 14 year old loves it and can't help but smile through it all. It is a great family bonding experience for us all.

As far as the "cult of the princess"--my first daughter loved the princesses for several years. I will never forget screaming myself hoarse "Snow White, Snow White!"--that was me acting like a freak, trying to get her attention so she would wave to my daughter in the parade. Finally at the last second as she passed us she turned, looked at my girl who I was frantically pointing to, and she blew her a kiss and waved. I felt like my heart swelled out of my chest I was so happy for my girl. She was laughing and wide eyed, and talked about how Snow White waved to her for years after that. It was a huge moment for her and me both. Now she is 12 and is all about "Twilight", but I still fondly recall those princess years.

The fireworks are not to be missed with the light show on the castle and the soundtrack with Julie Andrews speaking through it--and every single time we do a family group hug after it is over. We have done that since my first two were tiny, and still do it now. There are family memories that we have made at Disneyland that I will never forget, and I know my kids won't either.

We love to take "other" vacations too, but there is nothing like a trip to Disneyland (we always stay 3 nights) to create some magic for all of us.
post #97 of 122
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Originally Posted by hipumpkins View Post
But the dress code applies to everyone. It's not like straight people get to show tatoos and such. No one can.
Yes, true. What I mean is, they're restrictive of any expression of individuality, which kind of makes the whole gay friendly thing irrelevant.


You go on and be gay, but don't let us catch you wearing any rainbows.
post #98 of 122
I work in restaurant and we are not allowed to wear certain earrings or show tatoos (front of the house) and we wear a restrictive uniform. No one would be allowed to wear a rainbow pin or anything ever. (I sneak wearing Christmas socks b/c I'm like that )
The rules are there for a reason..not to suppress individuality but to preserve the "Magical feeling"
Like they can't wear mirrored sunglasses b/c it prohibits eye contact and does not appear as friendly. It isn't b/c they are trying suppress your inner "motorcycle guy" it's for an overall feel of the place.
post #99 of 122
Ok, the Harry Potter one might make me give in if we ever get the money. That is seriously awesome!
post #100 of 122
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Originally Posted by LisainCalifornia View Post
As far as the "cult of the princess"--my first daughter loved the princesses for several years. I will never forget screaming myself hoarse "Snow White, Snow White!"--that was me acting like a freak, trying to get her attention so she would wave to my daughter in the parade. Finally at the last second as she passed us she turned, looked at my girl who I was frantically pointing to, and she blew her a kiss and waved. I felt like my heart swelled out of my chest I was so happy for my girl. She was laughing and wide eyed, and talked about how Snow White waved to her for years after that. It was a huge moment for her and me both. Now she is 12 and is all about "Twilight", but I still fondly recall those princess years.
Aw. That's so great. It's like my Ariel story (which I posted way up somewhere else in this thread.)
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