Countdown to LOST!!! Season 5 - Page 56

[Adamsmama]

Originally Posted by magstphil

re: the car hitting Nadia- another thought is the Jacob visiting the Losties happened after the fact meaning they had already gone through time and then Jacob went back in time and touched them at these moments. Did that make any sense? : So basically Nadia had already been killed and Jacob went back and touched Sayid then. Originally maybe Sayid escaped being hit for a different reason.

Interesting idea...

[not_telling]

Can we discuss Claire & Aaron in light of S5 Finale?

I just rewatched "Raised By Another" the other day on SciFi and am thinking about Claire & Aaron and Man in Black Shirt, etc.

The psychic told Claire she must not let anyone else raise her baby, otherwise it will be a danger to all. Then, all the sudden he wants Claire to go on the doomed Oceanic flight (allegedly to have baby adopted in LA). Charlie and Claire think they've figured out that the psychic knew the flight would crash but Claire would survive, and therefore be forced to raise her own baby. I think that's plausible, but...

What if the psychic was influenced in some way by Jacob's Black-shirted companion, who had a different plan for Aaron? Maybe he wanted to get Claire onto the island in order to ensure her separation from Aaron. It would seem that apparitions of Christian have been Black-Shirt Guy, and Christian was the one who led Claire away from Aaron. Now Aaron is being "raised by another." Maybe Aaron is, in Black Shirt Guy's opinion, destined to come into power (maybe a non-benign power), and Black Shirt Guy wants to take advantage of that.

Is Claire being kept hostage in some way? Has she been brain-washed? Is Christian corporeal (like fake Locke)? They have real Locke's dead body, but we've never seen Christian's dead body. What's the Shepard legacy? Will Jack and Claire somehow end up on "opposing teams"?

Oh, the questions! They'll never end!!

[Gemini05]

Originally Posted by not_telling

I just rewatched "Raised By Another" the other day on SciFi and am thinking about Claire & Aaron and Man in Black Shirt, etc.

The psychic told Claire she must not let anyone else raise her baby, otherwise it will be a danger to all. Then, all the sudden he wants Claire to go on the doomed Oceanic flight (allegedly to have baby adopted in LA). Charlie and Claire think they've figured out that the psychic knew the flight would crash but Claire would survive, and therefore be forced to raise her own baby. I think that's plausible, but...

What if the psychic was influenced in some way by Jacob's Black-shirted companion, who had a different plan for Aaron? Maybe he wanted to get Claire onto the island in order to ensure her separation from Aaron. It would seem that apparitions of Christian have been Black-Shirt Guy, and Christian was the one who led Claire away from Aaron. Now Aaron is being "raised by another." Maybe Aaron is, in Black Shirt Guy's opinion, destined to come into power (maybe a non-benign power), and Black Shirt Guy wants to take advantage of that.

Is Claire being kept hostage in some way? Has she been brain-washed? Is Christian corporeal (like fake Locke)? They have real Locke's dead body, but we've never seen Christian's dead body. What's the Shepard legacy? Will Jack and Claire somehow end up on "opposing teams"?

Oh, the questions! They'll never end!!

This made me think of something....What if Aaron is Jacob? I'm so confused with the time travel/apparition (ie. John not actually being John), that I guess it might be possible?

[Adamsmama]

Originally Posted by not_telling

I just rewatched "Raised By Another" the other day on SciFi and am thinking about Claire & Aaron and Man in Black Shirt, etc.

The psychic told Claire she must not let anyone else raise her baby, otherwise it will be a danger to all. Then, all the sudden he wants Claire to go on the doomed Oceanic flight (allegedly to have baby adopted in LA). Charlie and Claire think they've figured out that the psychic knew the flight would crash but Claire would survive, and therefore be forced to raise her own baby. I think that's plausible, but...

What if the psychic was influenced in some way by Jacob's Black-shirted companion, who had a different plan for Aaron? Maybe he wanted to get Claire onto the island in order to ensure her separation from Aaron. It would seem that apparitions of Christian have been Black-Shirt Guy, and Christian was the one who led Claire away from Aaron. Now Aaron is being "raised by another." Maybe Aaron is, in Black Shirt Guy's opinion, destined to come into power (maybe a non-benign power), and Black Shirt Guy wants to take advantage of that.

Is Claire being kept hostage in some way? Has she been brain-washed? Is Christian corporeal (like fake Locke)? They have real Locke's dead body, but we've never seen Christian's dead body. What's the Shepard legacy? Will Jack and Claire somehow end up on "opposing teams"?

Oh, the questions! They'll never end!!

I just rewatched that too and one thing that struck me was her dream -- with Locke with the black and white eye. Very spooky with all that is going on in season 5. Here is what Locke says to her during her dream: "He was your responsibility but you gave him away, Claire. Everyone pays the price now."

http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Raised_By_Another_Lost.htm

[queenjane]

I had a thought about Jacob going back and touching some of the survivors, the other day, at midnight in the shower. (thats the only time i get to think about these things!)...i keep forgetting to post though...

Is it possible that they will succeed in having their plane never crash, but instead of "none of this every happening" and kate, sawyer, jack etc not remembering each other, that Jacob, through touching each person, gave them the gift of knowledge, of remembering each other and their time on the island.....the other passengers will get off the plane none the wiser, but our friends will know they have been given a second chance, and what they do with it (how they choose to live their lives) is now up to them.

Well...it seemed like a huge epiphany when i had the thought.

About Claire and Aaron, i've recorded that episode so i'll reserve my thoughts until i've watched it, but it sounds spooky. I dont remember too much about the original episode even though i know i've seen it. I've wondered why in the beginning of the series they made a huge point about walt being "special", aaron being "special" but then they seemed to sort of drop that storyline.


Katherine

[Adamsmama]

Originally Posted by queenjane

Is it possible that they will succeed in having their plane never crash, but instead of "none of this every happening" and kate, sawyer, jack etc not remembering each other, that Jacob, through touching each person, gave them the gift of knowledge, of remembering each other and their time on the island.....the other passengers will get off the plane none the wiser, but our friends will know they have been given a second chance, and what they do with it (how they choose to live their lives) is now up to them.

Interesting idea but I just don't know what they would do the rest of the season...unless that will be the end of the season.

I was reading "Through the Looking Glass" last night and came upon the poem that Tweedledee tells Alice, "The Walrus and the Carpenter"

Several references have been made to Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass throughout the last several seasons (starting in season 1) ... so I thought it would be a good read. Here is what I found interesting ... The Walrus and the Carpenter is set on a beach, I've cut and pasted parts of this poem below:

"O Oysters, come and walk with us!"
The Walrus did beseech.
"A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each."

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head--
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.

But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more--
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.
The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row....(taken some text out) "It seems a shame," the Walrus said,
"To play them such a trick,
After we've brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!"
The Carpenter said nothing but
"The butter's spread too thick!"

"I weep for you," the Walrus said:
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.

http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/p...ss21-small.gif

The link above is to the photo (original drawing that was in the book...) that seems a lot like the set up of Jacob and man in black during the beginning of the season finale.

I'm finding it very interesting because Lost seems to have several elements in common with this novel. (I've picked up: the Jaberwocky could = smoke monster; they are in a game of chess and Alice herself is a pawn; Alice herself will become a queen. Some people said it was an illegal chess move that made her queen and this is what I found on wikipedia:

Although the chess problem is generally regarded as a nonsense composition because of the story's 'faulty link with chess' [3], the French researchers Christophe LeRoy and Sylvain Ravot have argued [4] that it actually contains a 'hidden code' by Carroll to the reader. The code is supposed to be related to Carroll's relationship with Alice Liddell, and apparently contains several references to Carroll's favorite number, 42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking-Glass

Alice Liddell was who the books were based on ... I found it interesting that Liddell sounded like one of the Lost characters names and then I realized I was thinking of Claire -- Littleton. Then I realized that her mom's name is "Carole" -- Carole Littleton. I also noticed that Alice's birth and death date contained some of the "numbers" she was born on the 4th of May and died the 16th of November ... and as quoted above there was something to do with the number 42 between the two of them.

[friendtoall]

Originally Posted by not_telling

Now Aaron is being "raised by another." Maybe Aaron is, in Black Shirt Guy's opinion, destined to come into power (maybe a non-benign power), and Black Shirt Guy wants to take advantage of that.

Is Claire being kept hostage in some way? Has she been brain-washed? Is Christian corporeal (like fake Locke)? They have real Locke's dead body, but we've never seen Christian's dead body. What's the Shepard legacy? Will Jack and Claire somehow end up on "opposing teams"?

Oh, the questions! They'll never end!!

I read some where that perhaps the quote is "raised by an other". And yes, I agree, I still feel like there are way more questions than answers!

Originally Posted by queenjane

I've wondered why in the beginning of the series they made a huge point about walt being "special", aaron being "special" but then they seemed to sort of drop that storyline.


Katherine

I think they had to drop the kids simply because it was too hard to make them age and unage with the plot. I hope they do atleast explain what they meant by special.

[BlueIrises]

I understand that the kids and time travel don't mix...but as a mother (particularly since I had infertility issues) I just don't see how Sun leaves her child and goes back to the island...I LOVE LOVE LOVE my husband but I seriously don't think I could risk deserting my child forever in the hopes of saving my husband knowing how near impossible it is to get off the island and how treachurous it is there...

I also feel the same way about Kate...I mean she has all but adopted Aaron, so how do you abandon a child after being with them for three years...it truly makes my heartache when I think about those kids missing their mothers...even though they are ficticious...

I feel like I need to go buy all the season DVDs and watch them over to catch all the things I have missed and write down questions I want answers to...so much happens and it is not until I read threads like this that I realize how much goes on in each show...I am so going to miss this show after next season...each time one of my fave shows goes off the air I feel like I have lost a friend...1st it was Sex and the City, then Six Feet Under, Sopranos, and now Lost...I am too much of a TV junkie I guess, I get so attached!

[1babysmom]

Originally Posted by BlueIrises

I feel like I need to go buy all the season DVDs and watch them over to catch all the things I have missed and write down questions I want answers to...so much happens and it is not until I read threads like this that I realize how much goes on in each show...I am so going to miss this show after next season...each time one of my fave shows goes off the air I feel like I have lost a friend...1st it was Sex and the City, then Six Feet Under, Sopranos, and now Lost...I am too much of a TV junkie I guess, I get so attached!

That's what I'm doing this summer! You can watch them all free on ABC.com, that's how I every episode in 2 weeks until I caught up this past winter.