getting past the regret... - Page 2

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by anony

That definitely must have been hard but being Italian and Catholic are actually not cultural or religious pre-requisites for circ'ing at all. It was simply an American custom he wanted to pass on, when in fact Italians (at least the ones in Italy) don't practice it while the Catholic church frowns upon circumcision. If only some of the devout Catholics in America knew how their religion viewed circumcision!

Yep, Italians to not circ.

[Quirky]

Originally Posted by anony

That definitely must have been hard but being Italian and Catholic are actually not cultural or religious pre-requisites for circ'ing at all. It was simply an American custom he wanted to pass on, when in fact Italians (at least the ones in Italy) don't practice it while the Catholic church frowns upon circumcision. If only some of the devout Catholics in America knew how their religion viewed circumcision!

Absolutely. It is almost guaranteed that your dh's grandfather or great-grandfather and all the males in those generations were intact, as Italians don't circumcise their babies. You probably only have to go back a generation or two to realize that either your dh's mom or grandmother circed her boys in the hospital because it is the American thing to do. It's an American cultural tradition and has nothing to do with European tradition or Christianity.

[tennisdude23]

Originally Posted by Quirky

Absolutely. It is almost guaranteed that your dh's grandfather or great-grandfather and all the males in those generations were intact, as Italians don't circumcise their babies. You probably only have to go back a generation or two to realize that either your dh's mom or grandmother circed her boys in the hospital because it is the American thing to do. It's an American cultural tradition and has nothing to do with European tradition or Christianity.

Exactly. I almost laughed when I read that. Italians are seriously one of the last people to circ and circ. has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. It's explained pretty clearly in the New Testament.

[tennisdude23]

Originally Posted by Quirky

Absolutely. It is almost guaranteed that your dh's grandfather or great-grandfather and all the males in those generations were intact, as Italians don't circumcise their babies. You probably only have to go back a generation or two to realize that either your dh's mom or grandmother circed her boys in the hospital because it is the American thing to do. It's an American cultural tradition and has nothing to do with European tradition or Christianity.

Exactly. I almost laughed when I read that. Italians are seriously one of the last people to circ and circ. has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. It never has, and it never will. People who think otherwise are either grossly misinformed or know very little about their own religion. It's explained pretty clearly in the New Testament.

[GoodMomma]

Originally Posted by Yulia_R

I'm sorry, I wholeheartly don't want to make anyone feel bad, but I just SO don't get the whole "getting it right with the next child "fixing" the mistake with the existing one" and“go make another baby just to do it right” logic. Really, how can anyone feel this way or advise something like that?? I personally deeply regret vaccinating my son before I knew better; my daughter is completely unvaccinated. And while I'm very happy for her and for the fact that I did know better with her, this by no mean "fixing" the fact that I let my son to be injected with poison nine times...

Everyone deals with things differently. Although I still regret not nursing my son...I feel better knowing I made a better choice with my daughter. Same thing if we ever have another son. BTW....we did not try for another child to make up for these mistakes! We truly deeply wanted another baby. It took 15 months to get pregnant with her, so of course she was wanted. @@

[Quirky]

Originally Posted by Yulia_R

I'm sorry, I wholeheartly don't want to make anyone feel bad, but I just SO don't get the whole "getting it right with the next child "fixing" the mistake with the existing one" and“go make another baby just to do it right” logic. Really, how can anyone feel this way or advise something like that?? I personally deeply regret vaccinating my son before I knew better; my daughter is completely unvaccinated. And while I'm very happy for her and for the fact that I did know better with her, this by no mean "fixing" the fact that I let my son to be injected with poison nine times...

I think that perhaps it's just a misunderstanding or a less than clear word choice, but since we say "when you know better, you do better" around these parts a lot, that's how I read it.

[2lilsweetfoxes]

Originally Posted by bscal

2lilsweetfoxes - Not to go too much in detail... but my DH is Italian and Catholic. For him this decision was a cultural and religious one that his extended family has always done. I didn't really want to argue with DH...

Beth

My DH is Christian and he's from Oklahoma (I claim OK, too, but am an Air Force Brat of nomadic heritage). For him, it was what was always done--after all, if it wasn't beneficial and necessary, they wouldn't do it, right? And he was under the impression that it was required by Christians. And practically everyone in our small town has/had their son circumcised, he did not want his son being teased. I don't like arguing with my DH, either, and had he *not* been deployed, I likely would have allowed it to happen just to keep the peace. Funny, we ended up living in Washington State. And our son is autistic--so I think we have bigger things to worry about.

(So glad this new baby is going to be a girl...for more reasons than one)

[tennisdude23]

Originally Posted by 2lilsweetfoxes

My DH is Christian and he's from Oklahoma (I claim OK, too, but am an Air Force Brat of nomadic heritage). For him, it was what was always done--after all, if it wasn't beneficial and necessary, they wouldn't do it, right? And he was under the impression that it was required by Christians. And practically everyone in our small town has/had their son circumcised, he did not want his son being teased. I don't like arguing with my DH, either, and had he *not* been deployed, I likely would have allowed it to happen just to keep the peace. Funny, we ended up living in Washington State. And our son is autistic--so I think we have bigger things to worry about.

(So glad this new baby is going to be a girl...for more reasons than one)

See, I never understood the logic or the lack off behind the teasing issue. Even if you live in a "small town" and everyone that you may know circs. why should that have an effect on what you do. What if you move? Most likely your son will move as well when he grows up and starts his career. What if he moves to Canada or Europe? And at how many people will he be looking at naked? These days kids don't really around nude after sports or PE, not even in the locker room and seriously, nobody cares how you look like. I always find this teasing issue to be so ridiculous. I lived in a small town for over a decade, and I can say that this teasing thing is so over blown. I seriously don't know who was or who was not circ. Nobody ever payed attention to this; nobody cared. And frankly, you should teach your children to have friends that don't make fun of them because of trivial issues.