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post #21 of 52
Well after reading through all of this... I just want to offer up some s to you Em! That really is odd that they would let you in before and not now. That is just stupid if its ok for you to bring babe with you otherwise unless it is a night when there could be cops. And at a pub no less. I would be pretty pissed too. And for all those who posted otherwise, family friendly pub and dancing, throw back cocktails like they're candy bar/nightclub do NOT equal the same thing
post #22 of 52
It could be very possible they have recently gotten in trouble for allowing minors in with parents.

As for bar and restaurant. Here, the bar is seperate from the restaurant part and minors are not allowed in the bar area.
post #23 of 52
I wouldn't consider a Pub a family friendly place. A pub is where we go to drink and hang out with adults.

I'm sorry that you weren't allowed in the pub with your infant. A friend of ours used to bartend, and we used to meet her outside on her breaks so she could see DS because DS wasn't allowed inside, nor would I have been comfortable taking him in there.
post #24 of 52
[QUOTE=SquishyKitty;12894911]I wouldn't consider a Pub a family friendly place. A pub is where we go to drink and hang out with adults.
[QUOTE]

Maybe it is a cultural difference then? To me, a local pub is a neighborhood establishement where the whole family is welcome (usually including the dog!) A pub to us is somewhere to go to relax, have a meal and maybe a pint. It is not somewhere to go "party" there are plenty of clearly adult only places around for that. So, when I read "pub" or think "pub"...that is a family friendly laid back local type place.

FWIW: I'm comfortable with my kids seeing people drinking alcohol and hanging out with adults...I think learning how to be responsible with and around alcohol starts early, as well as learning how to behave in an adult environment. In general, I avoid places where people are going to be ridiculously drunk and/or obnoxious (with or without my children). I also avoid places that allow cigarette smoking as I physically not stand cigarette smoke...and would NEVER expose my children to second hand smoke.

Regardless, Em...I can imagine how frustrated you were. It would be one thing if you guys had expected to hang out at home for the evening..but it is another when you get all geared up and ready to go (with out of town guests in tow) to be told that there is no place for you with your child.
post #25 of 52
to you, Em. I am amazed at the responses to this thread. Your gracious response about venting to just us is perhaps more gracious than I could have been. The responses also demonstrate the varied view to alcohol across the US and beyond.

I know exactly the kind of pub you are talking about, and I would be equally upset in your situation. It sounds like the law is one of those "stupidity of others" kinds of laws. You wouldn't drink, but because other people might and endanger a child, the law exists.

I like what a pp said about motherhood changing life as you know it. While I honestly don't remember my NYE last year (not due to overindulging, mind you), I know I would have been pouting all morning about going to bed with a cranky baby at 6 last night and feeling like I'm hungover (despite not having had a drink for a year) this morning b/c of the intense nighttime parenting I have had to do for the past 12 hours.
post #26 of 52
That's a bummer. I'm sorry you didn't get to have a fun night with friends. I would've loved that too, even though I don't drink either, and dh went out while I was home with the babe, so I feel you.

Sorry we have nothing else to talk about this morning besides crashing your thread. Too many forums are closed, lol.
post #27 of 52
I'm sorry your night sucked. While I probably wouldn't take a baby to a pub myself on NYE ( and not because I think it's an entirely bad idea either but I have too many kids to even consider going out ) I think I would have been surprised as well. Logically, sure I can see that being a law but I always assume teeny babies are welcome where ever mama goes.
post #28 of 52
Reopening.

I am going with the assumption that the reason the OP posted here in her DDC rather than LWAB is that it was more of a vent than actually seeking advice. This isn't to say we can't all express our opinion, but please keep in mind that the DDCs are, by their nature, meant to be supportive and friendship-oriented, not no-holds-barred debate-oriented.
post #29 of 52
Hugs to you - I'm sorry you were lonely on NYE.
post #30 of 52
Ah, bah humbug! s Mama!

If it makes you feel any better, my NY was rung in with Nora finally sleeping on me on the couch, and DH and I whispering, "happy new year!" watching Ryan Seacrest and the Jonas Brothers on TV and drinking some cheap champagne.

I hope you had fun nonetheless! And vent away!
post #31 of 52
I'm sorry your night was ruined. : I would have been very frustrated at the situation as well, I can think of several places in town we go to with the kids to have dinner and even sit in the bar area and no one complains. I would have been crushed to find out I couldn't spend NYE with hubby and friends as planned. :
post #32 of 52
out at a bar the other night.... not New years eve, but still.
There was a man there with a wee baby... and it creeped me out.
Everytime I turned to the right I would see this little baby and think a million "Momma thoughts"....
"is the music too loud"
"Is that door causing a draft for the baby"
"are we being too loud"
"What is that guy with the baby trying to prove by dragging that baby here...that he is still hip?"
"Wouldn't that baby be happier being cozy at home"
"I bet that baby is getting so overstimulated"
Why is that baby here"
"why can't that baby be at home"
and I just asked the other women in the room who were there the other night and they all said it was just weird to see a baby out in a bar...creepy.
Now I have a ton of kids and everyone in this room is fine with all the kid activity here... but they all agreed that the baby in the bar was weird.
Just the opinions of one room.. not indicative to your area.
just my 2cents.
Tricia
post #33 of 52
Not in your ddc, but that sucks! So sorry you didn't get to be with your friends and dh on NYE.
post #34 of 52
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Originally Posted by casemnor View Post
FWIW: I'm comfortable with my kids seeing people drinking alcohol and hanging out with adults...I think learning how to be responsible with and around alcohol starts early, as well as learning how to behave in an adult environment. In general, I avoid places where people are going to be ridiculously drunk and/or obnoxious (with or without my children). I also avoid places that allow cigarette smoking as I physically not stand cigarette smoke...and would NEVER expose my children to second hand smoke.
Couldn't have said it better, C!


Em. Sorry you didn't get to hang with your friends last night. I can understand how frustrated you must have been.
post #35 of 52
I'm shocked anyone would want to take their children to a place that is going to be full of loud, drunk people. Even family pubs getting crazy on NYE. Even if you feel that type of environment is ok for your kid, you can not get mad at the bar for following the law.
post #36 of 52
Sorry, OP - didn't realize this was your ddc. I also click new posts and didn't notice what forum we were in with such a catchy title!

"Support only" usually keeps the debating at bay. And I agree that you had a very classy response to those of us who had a differing opinion.
post #37 of 52
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How would my baby, asleep in a wrap on my body, ruin someone else's "adult" time, especially someone who is a stranger to us and isn't even going to be interacting with us?!
Because if they let you in, they have to let the UAVs with their babies in carriers in, and when they ignore them and let them cry and p!$$ everyone off, it will hurt their business.

This is coming from an ex-bartender, and you would not believe the cr@p I've seen. You're being punished for the behavior of others.
post #38 of 52
hugs....so sorry your new years eve plans were ruined...hope you have a better day today.
post #39 of 52
Not in your DDC either, but wanted to let you know that I'm with you. I think it's entirely reasonable to take a babe out to celebrate (responsibly of course). They're part of society too, no matter how much some people might like to pretend that they're not. I've totally gone to pubs with DS and do think of them as family friendly, espeically when they're just going to sleep snuggled up in a wrap or something of the like anyhow.
post #40 of 52
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Originally Posted by eirual View Post
Not in your DDC either, but wanted to let you know that I'm with you. I think it's entirely reasonable to take a babe out to celebrate (responsibly of course). They're part of society too, no matter how much some people might like to pretend that they're not.
Exatcly!

Not in this DDC, but hugs to you. I've had an evening out wrecked too when DD was tiny and was so pissed off about it. She was under three months old, and I was not allowed to stay at my friends place beacuse she had organised an evening with a lady coming with mature material(you know the Tupperware style party, but with sex toys...).
Neither her and I had thought about it... My friend herself had to put her own baby to sleep really fast and close the bedroom door !
I mean DD could not have cared less, she was either nursing or sleeping in the sling and man, could my dead postpartum libido have used that evening

The thing about those thing is that a lot of people don't seem to get that BF'd infant want milk so often that they need Mom at ALL times. It is not like you actually CAN leave them anywhere else, unlike my 2 years old.
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