Charting to Avoid January 2009 - Page 7

[BarefootScientist]

Yeah, wouldn't it be easier if DH/DPs would just sit down and read the book for a half hour? Mine trusts me on whether or not to use a condom unless I've mentioned anything involving having another kid anytime soon but he doesn't understand it I don't think.

MarineMommy, could you try to explain it to him as you knew exactly what you were doing? Lol. Like, you've never O'd before CD18 before, so now this time, even though you O'd 5 or so days earlier than you ever have before, you were still totally safe DTD CD1 because of the these certain rules/facts...da da da. Maybe I didn't explain that very well, but...kwim?

ReikiMommy, congrats!

[ReikiMommy07]

The men seem to think it's our responsibility to know all this stuff, and it is. But they think it's *only* our responsibility. They want to have little or nothing to do with it, but then say any slip/oops/scare is entirely our fault. "Excuse me, DH, but weren't you there when we DTD? Doesn't it 'take 2'?" Love that... : Now, in no way am I saying all men are like this! There must be exceptions somewhere and if you have one, give him an extra kiss or something! But mine is, and I see others are too... I take it with a grain of salt when I hear that any kind of natural BC method is a "couple method." IME it isn't.
The least they could do is read the rules online. It's not as involved as TCOYF and won't kill them to read and/or print out...
What really gets me is that they're the ones who are fertile all the time! So shouldn't they act accordingly? Apparently not...
OK, rant over. Good luck with your DHs/DPs!!

[MarineWife]

My dh has read the rules and looked at my charts several times while I explained things to him. He just doesn't understand it.

Marinemommy ~ You're also covered because of the First 5 Days rule. Regardless of when you may or did O, you are safe the first 5 days of your cycle as long as the previous cycle was ovulatory and your lp was at least 10 or 12 (I can't remember which) days long.

[Shell_Ell]

I still have to explain quite a bit to DH. He did ask me a few weeks ago about how I knew it was safe to have sex after O, so I had to give him a quick lesson again. He seems to get it and then says something bone-headed like "I thought you were most fertile during your period?" Where the heck did THAT doozy come from? He's fine as long as I'm keeping him posted on what is going on. He trusts me and won't place the blame on me if something happens I got pregnant. It's a mutual decision.

I'm on CD2. No conception out of that irrational Christmas incomplete act of intercourse. My temps with this LP were sort of wonky. A lot of stress, illness, and falling off the wagon with nightweaning probably played a role. Still pretty straightforward cycle though, O on CD15 and a 10 day LP.

I'm trying out a Diva Cup the first time this cycle.

[cahwilson]

I've told dh that I have no idea what my cycles are doing or when (if) I will ovulate. I really think he tunes out when I start talking about these things. Lol It is entirely up to him when we dtd so if he does not pull out (which he doesn't) then there is always that chance. I sat him down not to long ago and told him all of this and that if we end up pregnant he is just as much "at fault." I like leaving it up to him when we dtd b/c I do want another baby and I don't trust myself to not initiate something if I think I might be ovulating. My thing is I just want to be certain he knows I am not going behind his back to try and get pregnant. I think I just said the same thing five different ways.

[Shell_Ell]

By the way, the people behind peeonastick.com are my personal heroes.

[mommy2two babes]

Originally Posted by Shell_Ell

then says something bone-headed like "I thought you were most fertile during your period?" Where the heck did THAT doozy come from? DH once asked me how I know I won't o 2 times in one cycle.
falling off the wagon with nightweaning probably played a role.

Glad to know I am not the only one who fell offthe wagon

Originally Posted by Shell_Ell

By the way, the people behind peeonastick.com are my personal heroes.

I love this site!

[DucetteMama21842]

So if you've definitely had a post-O thermal shift for 8dpo and then your temperature dramatically drops... does that signal an impending AF? The same day or the next day? I'm digging but can't figure out where in TCOYF it might be... I got a dip and am excited that I might be starting a new cycle soon! :

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by DucetteMama21842

So if you've definitely had a post-O thermal shift for 8dpo and then your temperature dramatically drops... does that signal an impending AF? The same day or the next day? I'm digging but can't figure out where in TCOYF it might be... I got a dip and am excited that I might be starting a new cycle soon! :

Based on your chart, it looks as though AF should arrive in the next day or so.

[cfiddlinmama]

So, I'm pretty sure that I O'd. I had my third high temp this morning. Remember earlier I posted about a NYE indescretion? How I've never O'd before CD19? Make that CD 16 this month. : Last day of EW was CD 16, temp went up CD 17... So, it was 5 or 6 days since DTD. Yikes! It was on my very first day of creamy. I had 4 days of creamy before I turned to EW. Please tell me my chances are low. I only had two days of EW (compared to 4 or 5.) Totally figures. Oh well, I will be a bit psycho for the next two weeks.

[MarineWife]

Yes, cfiddlinmama. Your chances of being pg are very low.

DucetteMama21842 ~ Some women get a temp drop right before AF shows. That could be what's going on with you. It's also possible for AF to not show yet and for your temp to go back up, especially mid-lp since you can get a temp dip then from the mid-lp estrogen surge.

cahwilson ~ That's pretty much what I did with my dh. I explained how it all works a few times. He read the FAM rules and the info on withdrawal and agreed. He has access to my charts plus I keep him updated on how things are going with my cycles. If he initiates sex, then it's his responsibility to do the right thing. However, now that I've decided things are not going to be conducive to us having another baby I find that I'm not really interested in dtd. It's just too much bother having to wake myself from an almost sleep, get out of bed and go into another room, dtd, then hurry up and get cleaned up and redressed and back into my bed before one of the LOs wakes up. I'm sure things would be different if I didn't have LOs in bed with me that I have to lay down with to get to sleep.

[ReikiMommy07]

: cfiddlinmama, ITA. Very low chances.

[ReikiMommy07]

Why, on a Catholic forum page discussing NFP, does it say that some nurses and other women have experienced multiple O's in one cycle? (Not singling out Catholics here at all, that's just where I saw it.) You can't O more than once, right? You can have EWCM and then have delayed or no O, but you can't O twice, isn't that how it goes? Very confused, just b/c one source says one thing, and another says something else... No wonder there's still "mysteries" whether real or perceived, around the menstrual cycle. It wouldn't be so bad if everyone calling themselves resources got the info right.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by ReikiMommy07

Why, on a Catholic forum page discussing NFP, does it say that some nurses and other women have experienced multiple O's in one cycle? (Not singling out Catholics here at all, that's just where I saw it.) You can't O more than once, right? You can have EWCM and then have delayed or no O, but you can't O twice, isn't that how it goes? Very confused, just b/c one source says one thing, and another says something else...

I think there are a couple of issues here. One is that some people are using the terms incorrectly. It is possible to O twice in one cycle when a woman releases 2 eggs. When that happens, though, both eggs are released within 24 hours of each other. That's how fraternal twins occur. So, it may be that the people who are saying they had multiples Os are talking about that type of situation and just not being clear about it.

Another is that some people don't understand how it all works biologically. Many people don't seem to understand the mid-lp estrogen surge that can cause the appearance of more fertile CF after O and possible 2nd temp hike that makes a chart triphasic. They seem to think this means they have had another O about a week after the first, which doesn't happen. I'm hesitant to say it's impossible because I think anything is possible. Everything I have read, though, says once O occurs and progesterone levels rise all the other maturing eggs are reabsorbed by the body and no other egg will be released.

[ReikiMommy07]

Thanks MarineWife, that's pretty much what I've read from what I know to be credible sources too.

[DucetteMama21842]

AF made her debut yesterday afternoon! It was really cool to be able to have impending predictions about that. I'd never been able to really figure out my cycles before. So... starting my second cycle and I'm on cd2 today! Thrilled that we made it through our first cycle of CTA with no problems whatsoever! :::

[ReikiMommy07]

Congrats Danile! And : I like the empowerment/knowledge charting provides about our cycles too.

[wannaBmom_NICU_RN]

CTA Newbie!

Hi all! I'm charting my first cycle off the minipill. Its been interesting! I didn't realize I have really low BBT's...like 96.5, 96.8...i guess if that keeps up I'll show my doc next time I go in! I'm so glad to be off the hormones though!

[noahs.mom06]

another newbie

Hi everyone! I am 8 weeks PP, pumping (and now nursing a little, too! ) and looking to start CTA. I've read TCOYF since havign DD, and before I got pg w/ DD I tracked symptoms/CF but didn't temp (but knew that the night we DTD there was a good chance of getting pg).
I'm a little nervous about CTA while BF'ing... is there hope that I'll be able to do it while nursing and we won't have to use condoms all the time? Is that a subjective thing?
Any tips, info, and advice would be greatly appreciated!

[mommy2two babes]

Originally Posted by wannaBmom_NICU_RN

Hi all! I'm charting my first cycle off the minipill. Its been interesting! I didn't realize I have really low BBT's...like 96.5, 96.8...i guess if that keeps up I'll show my doc next time I go in! I'm so glad to be off the hormones though!

Is that really low?
Mine are always low like that early.
Pre o I mean