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We're a radical unschooling family, which means nothing if not infinite flexibility. I'm interested in learning more about Waldorf in the home.

There is some that I've been reading about it (and Waldorf-y based things) that are very appealing to me, and that I wouldn't mind bringing into our lives. In fact it feels really inspiring. So... I'd really like to hear from unschoolers who use Waldorf ideas, or the more unschooly Waldorf families. Ideas I like: the focus on art and nature, the not-so-soon approach to academics, and (especially!) the rhythm and celebration of cycles/festivals. Some of Waldorf is right in line with what we already enjoy in our lives, and some seems like it fills a desire that one or more of us has felt. And some seems like it would be like trying to get a square peg in a round hole.

Good places online to check out? Different ideas we might want to try out to bring more Waldorfyness () into our world? Blogs that talk about day-to-day life in a Waldorf family? Input, insight, info all appreciated!
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Waldorfyness ()
lol.

I'm new to Waldorf myself. I highly recommend the book You Are Your Child's First Teacher. It's awesome at explaining the foundation.
post #3 of 10
yes! and beyond the rainbow bridge.
my fav waldorf blog is:
www.waldorfmama.blogspot.com
shes lives and breathes waldorf. a truly amazing family!
we are not an unschooling family so im not sure i can help you there to much but i *think* in the homeschooling forum there is a waldorf homeschoolers tribe,they might be able to help you as well as us
hth!!
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CounterGOPI's blog in her sig is good too
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post #7 of 10
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Thanks everyone! I'll be on the lookout for the books and perusing the sites...
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I was hoping to get more reading done this week than I did - there is a lot of info on the web. Mostly I got the same info over and over, and anything with depth it seemed like there was something I needed to understand first. I haven't gotten any of the books but I will hopefully get to the library on Monday to see what they have.

Some probably really trivial questions (that show my newness to it all, I'm sure!)

in no particular order:
Why do kids have to be so warm? I don't think kids should be cold, : but I think my kids would start to smolder if they were layered in wool. They get irritable if they're hot! How warm are we talking, here? It just seems kind of random... I don't have a context to put it in, though.

Why wool? It seems to be really important.

Why are play silks made of silk? Why not some other fabric?

What is the significance of the Waldorf doll? Is it the materials, the lack of features? How hard are they to make, for a very non-crafty mama?

Why wet-on-wet painting?

I probably have more questions (and theoretically, ones with a bit more depth than these! ) but it's bedtime here so I'm off for the evening!
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Originally Posted by Collinsky View Post
I was hoping to get more reading done this week than I did - there is a lot of info on the web. Mostly I got the same info over and over, and anything with depth it seemed like there was something I needed to understand first. I haven't gotten any of the books but I will hopefully get to the library on Monday to see what they have.

Some probably really trivial questions (that show my newness to it all, I'm sure!)

in no particular order:
Why do kids have to be so warm? I don't think kids should be cold, : but I think my kids would start to smolder if they were layered in wool. They get irritable if they're hot! How warm are we talking, here? It just seems kind of random... I don't have a context to put it in, though.

Why wool? It seems to be really important.

Why are play silks made of silk? Why not some other fabric?

What is the significance of the Waldorf doll? Is it the materials, the lack of features? How hard are they to make, for a very non-crafty mama?

Why wet-on-wet painting?

I probably have more questions (and theoretically, ones with a bit more depth than these! ) but it's bedtime here so I'm off for the evening!

Hiya. We're Waldorfish unschoolers (with a hint of Montessori thrown in these days). A lot of the questions you asked above have their basis in Anthroposophy, the underlying ideology of Waldorf. Generally speaking, we take the parts of Waldorf that we like and leave the rest that have (in our opinion ) no pragmatic value. DD doesn't wear wool nor does she play with just silk or natural toys (we have some imaginative plastic and metal objects for play, for instance). I interpret Waldorf very loosely. Here's a quick synopsis of us: DD wears comfortable, non-character, cotton clothing that is appropriate to the season. We have lots of open-ended toys both structured (cash register, wooden kitchen and food) and non-structured (seashells, nuts, rocks, animal figurines). We have a fabric basket filled with a variety of fabrics--velvets, silks, satins--instead of playsilks, which I think are limiting. We don't push academics but dd is very self-driven and is learning to read at age 3 by her choice. We tell lots of stories, we act out stories with figurines, we read lots of stories (some by Waldorfish authors, others not). We do lots of creative art and have an entire wall covered with paper with art supplies nearby for whenever the mood strikes, as well as structured art time. We do all-kinds of painting, including but not limited to wet on wet (the reason behind this is some rather woo-woo Anthroposophical color theory in which spiritual beings inhabit color and stuff--a belief that I do not abscribe to). We are TV-free (unless we're sick, and then we do watch the occasional DVD). We honor the seasons and celebrate festivals by making special decorations, reading/telling special stories, cooking special foods. We have a daily and weekly rhythm that keeps our life moving and sane. We sing a lot and encourage musicality (but I do not believe in limiting children to the pentatonic scale).

I highly recommend "Heaven on Earth" for some practical ideas. I think this is a great read. However, there are some assumptions that the author makes that she never explains--like why wood has a better tactile feel than porcelain, for instance. This is an example of a personal judgment that she presents as fact. But, if you're looking for a good way to incorporate some Waldorf ideas this is a great book to start with.

The whole Waldorf doll idea is that the child reflects his/her feelings upon the doll, so it should be treated almost like a second-self, so to speak. The dolls are made simplistically to supposedly encourage more creative play. With that said, I do not buy that theory, but I do think Waldorf dolls have a simple beauty that many mainstream dolls lack. I grew up with tons of dolls as a child, and I was never limited in imagination because my dolls had certain expressions or had their eyes permanently opened or closed. I think to say that children won't or can't pretend around these kinds of things is selling children short. I have recently bought my dd a Waldorf doll (http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction...on_id=13039132) not because I think other dolls are not as good or whatever but simply because I like them. I think every child should have some sort of doll, Waldorf or not, and I don't think it really matters, personally.

Can I say how thrilled I am that another unschooler is checking out unschooling Waldorf style?

One of the great things about being an unschooler is that I totally don't feel guilty when my dd doesn't fit the Waldorf mold. So she became obsessed with letters at a year old? Fine. She's reading at 3? Great. She wants to draw with markers and have forms in her drawings? No prob. She doesn't like me lighting candles at meals? We can work with that. Saying the same verses over and over at specific times annoys her to no end? Yay. I hate memorizing verses and feel sort of artficial saying them anyway. She wants to pretend she's a computer game? Okay, not my favorite, but I can work with that. Etc. Etc.
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Thank you Berrymama for the blog mention.

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Why wool? It seems to be really important.

Why are play silks made of silk? Why not some other fabric?

What is the significance of the Waldorf doll? Is it the materials, the lack of features? How hard are they to make, for a very non-crafty mama?
For me the part of Waldorf that I find very appealing is the closeness to natural materials. These are really soothing and when children play with them there is a natural warmth, both literally and figuratively, that comes through. In our house, we love wool. Part of it is our northern climate and warmth is definitely needed in our everyday life, especially in the winter! But I also find it very comforting, as I do with all the Waldorf materials, that there hasn't been a lot of processing to create the clothing or toys.

I don't know the specific reason behind why playcloths should be made of silk, but there is an ethereal quality to having the light shining through them as they play. Also, there is a versatility to having an open-ended play item. There is not a specific use for silks, as there is not a specific use for things like nuts, pinecones, stones, sticks, etc. I think one thing that people get swept up in (me included) is the "stuff" of Waldorf when really the best toys are the open-ended ones that can be all sorts of things. I highly recommend Toymaking with Children for good toy ideas at different age levels, plus some reasoning behind why these are good toys.

With Waldorf dolls there is again a preference to the open-ended look of the features. But also the materials are of great importance because they are natural. The wool warms when a child plays with it making it more lifelike. Also, if the baby has a more neutral face the child can use their imagination more freely than if the baby has a plastic face with a smile plastered on. There are some really good kits out there for making a waldorf doll (I love Weir dolls - they have premade heads and bodies that are presewn, plus other natural crafting supplies, or go to etsy and there are lots of options available as well). The best free instructions I have found are here.


I think it is also important to note that you need to find what is right for your family. We are by no means an all-Waldorf family, but we do try to keep things simple and natural, not only in play but in every aspect of our life. There are some areas of Anthroposophy that I find unappealing, but for other families they may be right. However, I do find that my children play best with their "waldorfy" toys more than the ones are more mainstream. Amanda Soule's book is a really good one to look at for waldorf-inspired unschooling.
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