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post #21 of 61
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The 2 and a half year olds twins being mentioned surprised me too.. That doesn't even seem extreme to me. Made me laugh for a minute because I think its normal. I was also shocked about how the 12 year old was willing to talk about breastfeeding. My first reaction was that he was going to get teased for being so honest. Which is sad

Debra Roberts didn't seem interested at all. You could tell she thought it was all pretty extreme.
post #22 of 61
The psychologist was a quack. Like a child isn't going to learn how to self-soothe if he's EBF? The first thing that came to my mind was that he probably didn't ever see a BF mom/child (past the first few weeks) and that I bet he believes in CIO.
post #23 of 61
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The psychologist was a quack. Like a child isn't going to learn how to self-soothe if he's EBF? The first thing that came to my mind was that he probably didn't ever see a BF mom/child (past the first few weeks) and that I bet he believes in CIO.
Yeah, that's what I thought too. That guy made me cringe. And 2.5 is EBF? Ha. Not in our house. Everybody weaned before kindergarten, but it was their choice.

I think what annoyed me about the whole show was the whole time I was thinking, "This is news...?" Yes, I live in a big crunchy bubble. But kudos to the people who were willing to put themselves and their families out there to talk about things that a lot of people regard as different.
post #24 of 61
When the introduction said I'd be shocked by some of the stuff there I thought "Like to see you try! I hang out on MDC!"
post #25 of 61
The reborns creeped me out. Not so much the dolls themselves but, the one short haired blonde lady they showed.

I am still watching it so I may be back later.
post #26 of 61
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The reborns creeped me out. Not so much the dolls themselves but, the one short haired blonde lady they showed.

I am still watching it so I may be back later.
What creeped me out about the reborns is the people using them as a real baby. That sort of goes to far for me.
post #27 of 61
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What creeped me out about the reborns is the people using them as a real baby. That sort of goes to far for me.
Definitely. Oh and paying $1400 for a doll?!

The psychologist is making me mad re: extended BF-ing.
post #28 of 61
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I was VERY surprised to see that the 12 year old boy was willing to talk about when he used to nurse and was free and open about how much he liked it. He seemed like such a sweet kid. I hope he doesn't get his butt handed to him by his peers........
I'm still nursing my youngest, so my kids talk about it occasionally. My eleven-year-old is practically *smug* because he got to nurse until he was 3.5 years old. He and my middle two consider himself luckier than they, because they only got to go to two years.
post #29 of 61
I just finished watching the EBF segment. I didn't think it was done too poorly. I expected much worse to be honest. I did feel my face scrunch up in confusion when the lady with the twins was mentioned. Having tadem nursed my 2 youngest into preschoolhood it just felt like, "really, people would be shocked by that?" I thought the 12 year old boy was sweet.

The Reborns, in my opinion, are creepy. There is just something unwell about a woman who treats a baby doll as if it's real for attention.

I look forward to the homebirth portion of the show.
post #30 of 61
I think that it was made for an intended mainstream audience to "shock" rather than inform and so it was overall biased against most of what it portrayed. Yet I did think there were spots that may have opened peoples minds a bit (like the unattended birth segment) by showing a bit more of both sides of the story.

If nothing else - it was nice to watch with DH and got us talking. We did check out those "reborn" dolls online. A wonderful artistic acheivement to be sure - but to use as a "real" baby was very creepy to me. But again, I don't want to judge others for things I don't understand if I expect them to respect my choices that aren't mainstream either.
post #31 of 61
Is it just me or did the last segment equate home birth with unassisted birth?
post #32 of 61
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Is it just me or did the last segment equate home birth with unassisted birth?
I thought the same thing. I also thought that that segment should have been much longer. They could have taken out the fluff with the dolls and the surogates and presented home birth much more thouroughly.
post #33 of 61
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Is it just me or did the last segment equate home birth with unassisted birth?
I was wondering that too. It seemed like they went from talking about homebirth to unassisted, but no real switch.

But that might be too complex for the mainstream population.
post #34 of 61
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I thought the same thing. I also thought that that segment should have been much longer. They could have taken out the fluff with the dolls and the surogates and presented home birth much more thouroughly.
The segment was definitely fast paced and I really feel like they used Abby Epstein's birth as an "aha! told ya so" moment. They didn't follow it up with saying "yeah, things go wrong and we handled it BUT, for the majority of low risk normal births home birth is where its at."

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I was wondering that too. It seemed like they went from talking about homebirth to unassisted, but no real switch.

But that might be too complex for the mainstream population.
They didn't even mention midwives in the home birth part, then went right into talking Unassisted with the Laura Shanley interviews.

Oh and the blurring out of "indecent" parts drove me nuts. Hello, they are breasts?! I see more of that on cable tv with no blurring.
post #35 of 61
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The segment was definitely fast paced and I really feel like they used Abby Epstein's birth as an "aha! told ya so" moment. They didn't follow it up with saying "yeah, things go wrong and we handled it BUT, for the majority of low risk normal births home birth is where its at."



They didn't even mention midwives in the home birth part, then went right into talking Unassisted with the Laura Shanley interviews.

Oh and the blurring out of "indecent" parts drove me nuts. Hello, they are breasts?! I see more of that on cable tv with no blurring.
It really irritated me when they blurred out the breasts of nursing children... Like, using a boob for what got intended is obscene or something. :
post #36 of 61
I wish they had done a separate show for nearly every segment. I'm glad I'm not the only person who was creeped out by the women with the Reborn dolls. Such a lot of money. I kinda wondered if there are some underlaying issues.

I loved the dad who was like yeah I don't mind taking my place in the cue. I also thought the nursing twins was really neat to see- not that common in the mainstream world, if ykwim.

Breastfeeding til 8 probably isn't for me, but I don't want to put any time limit on something that big. I hated to hear the "if they have teeth/can ask for it then they're too old." I'll have to tell my friend whose 4 mth old is teething she should wean now or else risk her child's well being. Lol.
post #37 of 61
I was really annoyed at how they lumped midwives and unassisted birth together. And how they didn't mention studies that show for low-risk births home is as safe or safer than hospital.

I wouldn't be too hard on the doll woman. There are lots of people who spend thousands of dollars on doll collections or other collections. She was using it as a way to meet people, and maybe it's a little off kilter, but it worked for her. After working a crisis line for 3 years I swear the most common affliction out there is loneliness. She's found a harmless way to make connections with people. And it seems to be going in an outwardly direction... meaning she seems to be using the dolls to form more outside relationships, not become more reclusive. It was the one who HAD grandchildren but threw parties for her dolls I questioned a bit more. Sure, my grandma had birthday parties for our dog, but... I'd want to see a bit more of how it affected her relationships before I would jump to her defense quite as much.
post #38 of 61
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Is it just me or did the last segment equate home birth with unassisted birth?
I thought that too. They mentioned a midwife a couple of times, so I was kind of unclear as to whether they were talking about UC or Homebirth.


Take care,
El
post #39 of 61
I thought the families who ex bf did a great job of showing just how normal it is / should be.

The birth segment was pretty good too.

The reborn doll segment shocked me. I've read about them and people collecting them, even using them for comfort as in the case of miscarriage or conception troubles and my POV was always to be glad they had a hobby or source of comfort depending on why they got the doll.

But that lady who used the dolls as bait to get people to talk to her / attention really disturbed me, to my surprise. I think because she seemed so predatory to me... preying on other peoples love of real babies by reeling them in with a fake one... I would be angry IRL if someone did that, shocked and a bit angry. Then I would be worried about their mental health. The birthday party lady didn't bother me, she seemed like someone who just has a collection and love of dolls... the birthday party was for a doll and the kids knew it, she knew it... no deception going on. The artist who makes some of the dolls broke my heart.... seven (?) miscarriages and then to turn that grief into such amazing works of art... what an incredible woman.
post #40 of 61
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The "reborn" doll segment creeped me out too. They are beautiful dolls, but using them as real babies and giving them their own nursery is a little much. Children normally do this kind of thing.. but when an adult does it and takes the pretending to such a extreme level is cause for concern. I've mostly heard about these dolls helping mothers who have miscarried. Which I think is kinda neat.. But playing pretend 24/7 can't be healthy. Makes me wonder if there is an underlying psychological issue.

If I saw an adult on the street with one of those babies in a stroller or sling, I wouldn't be able to help the weird expression on my face.
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