How do you get into school without the vaccinations?

[Lnanaa]

I was wondering if there is a thread on here about parents getting their kids in school without getting them vaccinated? Where I live in Florida, the schools required kids to be vaccinated and I wondered if it's better to delay vaccinations until right before they go to school? I have a 3 weeks old son who is already vaccinated with Hep B and a 3 years old who is up to date with her vaccinations. I am just now learning about the debate with autisms and vaccinations. I also wonder if the vaccinations has caused speech delay and hyperactivity in my 3 year old daughter. Right now, my 3 weeks old son is a very easy and calm baby and I'm just worried about how the vaccinations can change him like autism or hyperactivity. If there are threads to my questions, I would be happy to have the links to them and read them.

[Marnica]

You can file a medical (practically impossible to get) or a religious exemption in Florida, but you have to not vax at all to file for school.
http://www.nvic.org/state-site/Florida.htm

here are some thread links
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=953402

https://www.mothering.com/discussion...d.php?t=778931

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=900065

I also wonder if the vaccinations has caused speech delay and hyperactivity in my 3 year old daughter.

Yes it is very possible they had something to do with these problems, althoug it would hard to prove. There is plenty of evidence out there to suggest a link to these problems and a host of others

[kiara7]

You can file for religious exemption with the school once the time comes.

but you have to not vax at all to file for school.

It's ok that they've had some vax's already - you can have a religious change at any time. Just remember for religious exemption you have to be against the practice of vaccination (not because of aborted cells, etc.)

ETA: Once you file your exemptions, then no vaxs.

[Marnica]

ETA: Once you file your exemptions, then no vaxs.

that's what I meant...thanks for clarifying

[Gitti]

There is no law anywhere in the US that states you must vaccinate your children or yourself. There is only a mandate of vaccines for day care or school. And for those mandates there are exemptions in every state.

The one most often used is a religious exemption. That means you can follow any religion, even your own 'home religion' and use that exemption. No one is allowed to question you about your religion. They may try, but you have the right to not respond.

You are very smart for questioning vaccines. Especially since you see the side effects in your oder child. imo hyperactivity and delayed speech or leaning is most likely due to a vaccine reaction in infancy.

Read the book A Shot In The Dark by H. Coulter

Those who don't vaccinate do so for many reasons. Autism may or may not be one of them. There are many questionable ingredients in vaccines that may cause other severe issues as well. Juvenile cancer, Multiple Sclerosis, juv. diabetes, juv. rheumatism and many more have been linked to vaccines.

The pharmaceutical companies who produce vaccines, have always refused to do a study of fully vaccinated kids vs. vaccine-free kids. That would be the only study that would clearly show whether vaccines are health giving or detrimental to kids' health. The reason for their regusal is: they don't want to deny kids vaccines. Yet there are thousands of unvaccinated kids in the US who are more than willing to participate in that sort of study.

What would such a study show? Well, individual groups have done such studies and every one showed that unvaccinated kids are by far much healthier. :

I would just avoid all vaccines for now. You have lots of time before your kids go to school and you can always do the ones they need for school in the year they start. Then you only have to do a few because they'll be over the age of having the infancy ones like Hib. Most schools don't even require as many as the pharmaceutical companies sell to you. The more they sell, the more they earn. Simple as that!

Stick around and learn. And please share all the information with the kids' father. He should be a part of this learning process.

[GutInstinct]

My non-vaxed son is one of the HEALTHIEST babies I know! He is still breastfed, sleeps well, babbles normally, is right on track developmentally, etc. For example, you don't need to get your baby the Hep B shot right now -- you can always delay til he is closer to becoming sexually active (as Hep B is an STD and blood-born illness!). I think the key is to keep your child's immune system strong! And if it's strong, he can fight illnesses very well.

In addition to the books suggested above, I recommend Dr. Sear's Vaccine Book and the Jenny McCarthy books just to get another perspective!

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

DD was almost totally vaxed and ds was vaxed up to 4 months before I learned I had a choice in the matter

I got dd a religious exemption and filed that with the school when the time comes I will get one for ds as well. The school has no idea at all that dd has had any vax in the past and if I lost my mind and got her one more vax the school has no way of knowing that if I dont tell them.

So even selective vaxing is an option here if I wanted it to be since the school and dr office do not communicate.

[Marnica]

The school has no idea at all that dd has had any vax in the past and if I lost my mind and got her one more vax the school has no way of knowing that if I dont tell them.

Yes, however lots of folks don't realize that if they are part of the vaccine registry, schools do have this information. All state's are different, some don't have a registry, some you have to opt out of. I was suprised by the number of people that don't even know about the registries and what they are for.

[Gitti]

The vaccine record of my oldest grandson 'showed' that he was all up to date by the time he started school and in 2nd grade we decided NO MORE and filled out a religious exemption. We stated we had simply changed our mind about our religion. (Worded a little differently of course.)

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

As far as I know there is no such registry in TN. I could be wrong but I dont see the school here bothering to check each student one by one.

[Lnanaa]

Hi everyone,

Thank you all for the information you shared with me. I've never thought about vaccinations could be the cause of some health disorders. I decided to ask my friends on facebook and see their point of view on vaccinations and I was very surprised to see a very different point of view from here.

Many of them fully supported the vaccinations and they are upset when they find out parents that don't vaccinate their kids. They talked about how they think non vaccinated kids will be spreading disease to their own kids in school. I thought it was interesting how they think that because I don't think I ever met any kids who has Hep B, rump, or all those diseases for the vaccinations.

Even with the new HPV vaccination for cervical cancer, no one in my family had cervical cancer and I certainly don't think my daughter or myself will need it.

I certainly would love to see the study of vaccinated vs non vaccinated kids. Even if someone did the study, it will be hard to fight against the Big Pharma company when they try to prove the study wrong and keep vaccinating the kids.

I will certainly check out the books you guys recommended and I have been discussing this with my husband. His opinion is about how many kids we know that have a case that proves vaccination caused their adhd or autism? He told me if I am really bothered about the vaccinations, I should ask the pediatirican what she thinks about vaccinations causing autism, adhd, etc. I really don't want to ask her because I have a feeling she will give me the stuff doctors are supposed to tell their patients instead of their real personal opinion.

During our first visit with my son at the ped's office, she was telling us how my husband and I should be vaccinated again with Dtap because of whooping cough that is going around. She explained that if we got the whooping cough and our son picks it up as a young infant, he could die from it. The vaccinations we got as kids are no longer in our body, so she suggested we be revaccinated. I was not thrilled to hear that because I hate needles and try to avoid them as much as I could.

I thought about cancelling his first month appointment to avoid the vaccinations to delay it but then I wonder if the peds will be questioning why we haven't come in and just call when he is sick? This is the first time I am not following the ped's instructions, so I have mixed feelings about it. I really like this ped since she really takes the time to sit and chat with us unlike other peds that just go in and out quickly.

I'm just really nervous for my son because his health is very good and he even impressed doctors at hospital for not getting jaundice when he was born because of our blood type. My daughter had it but it was mild. He's doing so good and I'm just worried about the vaccinations will mess it up because all of these new information I am learning now.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

My kids only go to the ped. when sick and nothing is ever made of it.

As for parents worrying about the non vaxed kids giving their vaxed kids something I have to ask if vax work then what are they worried about? It makes no sense at all if they truly believe vax are a great thing and all powerful then those of us that dont vax shouldnt make them blink an eye.

[Lnanaa]

Originally Posted by MCatLvrMom2A&X

My kids only go to the ped. when sick and nothing is ever made of it.

As for parents worrying about the non vaxed kids giving their vaxed kids something I have to ask if vax work then what are they worried about? It makes no sense at all if they truly believe vax are a great thing and all powerful then those of us that dont vax shouldnt make them blink an eye.

That's true. It doesn't make sense. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Arduinna]

Originally Posted by Lnanaa

Many of them fully supported the vaccinations and they are upset when they find out parents that don't vaccinate their kids. They talked about how they think non vaccinated kids will be spreading disease to their own kids in school.

If they are so confidant that vaxes work, then why would they be worried about their vaxed kids getting VPDs from the unvaxed population?

[CallMeMommy]

Originally Posted by MCatLvrMom2A&X

As far as I know there is no such registry in TN. I could be wrong but I dont see the school here bothering to check each student one by one.

https://twis.tn.gov/twisprod/

[CallMeMommy]

Originally Posted by Lnanaa

During our first visit with my son at the ped's office, she was telling us how my husband and I should be vaccinated again with Dtap because of whooping cough that is going around. She explained that if we got the whooping cough and our son picks it up as a young infant, he could die from it. The vaccinations we got as kids are no longer in our body, so she suggested we be revaccinated. I was not thrilled to hear that because I hate needles and try to avoid them as much as I could.

Your doctor has no idea how vaccines work. The pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with preventing transmission of the disease. It's just not how the shot works. What it does is prevent the symptoms of WC from showing up, which means you can and will pass on the infection just as easily as if you weren't vaccinated at all.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

Originally Posted by CallMeMommy

https://twis.tn.gov/twisprod/

Is there any way to see if my kids are on there?

[kiara7]

I recommend you and your dh read "Raising a healthy child in spite of your doctor" by Dr. Mendelsohn. He was a pediatrician for many years (30+?) and HE saw the truth w/vaxes and everything else.

[Emmeline II]

To your Dr's likely knowledge of vaccination; probably just a few hours of "vaccines saved the world and by giving them YOU save the world."

Visit my siggy and answer these questions for yourself and have your dh do it as well or he will always default to the authority position:

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding not to vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf