Doctors Debate 'Delayed Vaccine' Schedule

[Marnica]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Coldand...6531763&page=1

Dr. Peter Hotez, professor and chairman of the department of microbiology and tropical medicine at The George Washington University, said recommending alternative vaccine guidelines to the public without any scientific evidence to support the safety and efficacy of such recommendations "makes no sense."

WTH? But injecting kids with multiple vaccines, including combo vaccines for which there have also been NO safety studies does make sense???

Schaffner said that if parents are concerned about the safety of vaccines and the recommended vaccine schedule for their children, the best thing they can do to quell those fears is to educate themselves.

Um yes..That's what I did and that's why I choose to NOT vax at all!!

Schaffner said. "The problem isn't with vaccine safety, because they've been exonerated from all the implications of autism and all the other illnesses associated with vaccines.

They have?? Gee I guess I didnt get the memo cause I think that more and more questions and concerns are coming to light

(99 just made it )

[momofmine]

Just HOW have vaccines been "exonerated"??? That is so insane! That is absolutely untrue! I really don't get how such highly educated people as these doctors can truly think that vaccines are 100% safe. I mean, come on!!

[PaigeC]

Yeah, I'm just dumbfounded by use of the term "exonerate." I mean really? I've heard that lie with Autism but didn't realize they were trying to spew the same line for all the other side effects - side effects that were shown in the pharma trials even!

[Full Heart]

Originally Posted by momofmine

Just HOW have vaccines been "exonerated"??? That is so insane! That is absolutely untrue! I really don't get how such highly educated people as these doctors can truly think that vaccines are 100% safe. I mean, come on!!

Vaccine are 100% safe. They are safer then tylenol. Really thats what people think?! How can anyone seriously think that. Nothing is 100% safe, nothing. Drs. esp should know better than to say something like that.

[mermaidmama]

re

This makes me mad. To say they are "100 percent safe" is an outright lie!

[Scattershoot]

"And most importantly, as the diseases that vaccines prevent have disappeared, our young parents have no personal experience of these diseases and neither do their parents."

This is the BIG argument the vaccine movement makes. Unfortunately the holes in this belief are huge. First of all, what about all the scary diseases that disappeared without mass vaccination? Secondly, polio numbers are some of the most manipulated numbers around. A stiff neck and a fever was once polio and now paralysis is Guillain-Barre or some neuropathy or even something like Bell's Palsy or they just call it aseptic meningitis. Chicken pox is still around and not dangerous for 999 out of 1000 children, and the one it is dangerous for often has a host of other health factors. Measles is believed by many to not only be normal but a necessary developmental health stage for children. Getting rid of it is arguably a bad thing. Tetanus never did much to a almost everyone. Mumps and rubella are about as harmless as stubbing your toe. Diphtheria or croup or whatever you want to call it is still around. Which children don't get diarrhea at some point in time? How many children are drug addicts or prostitutes exposed to Hep B. Smallpox vaccine is ridiculous because of the timing of the contagiousness. The anthrax vaccine is one of the most nasty vaccines ever invented, right up there with the Swine Flu. Pertussis hasn't gone anywhere and now asthma or bronchitis or whatever they want to call it is everywhere. They admit the flu shot is usually useless, and then hypocritically say mercury has been removed or was never in certain shots, but mercury is in a shot they now recommend yearly. Now that shingles has mysteriously invaded the healthy adult population after mass chicken pox vaccination, we have a shingles shot. It goes on and on.

The problem isn't with vaccine safety, because they've been exonerated from all the implications of autism and all the other illnesses associated with vaccines.

They just make stuff up as they go along. How serious are we supposed to take them when they don't even use a real placebo in their short testing that doesn't take into consideration interaction with the huge swath of vaccines now administered?

[JJ'sMom]

Vaccines are 100% safe for everyone - provided they are not administered to anyone.

Really if they can take things out of context, so can I.:

[PaigeC]

Originally Posted by JJ'sMom

Vaccines are 100% safe for everyone - provided they are not administered to anyone.

Really if they can take things out of context, so can I.:

Is anyone else annoyed by the "young parents" thing? Sounds like a carefully veiled insult like we are too dumb to "know."

[buttercupmama]

I've been hearing it for half of my life. Apparently, knowledge is only relative to age. Nevermind how much a person reads to educate him/herself. I watched a doctor smirk and fight laughter when he saw that I used vitex to treat endometriosis. This same doctor never bothered to tell me before his shift was over that I was more than likely having a miscarriage. I had to sit there bleeding for 6 1/2 hours before I was informed. Even if they're knowledgeable, they certainly lack manners.

[Full Heart]

Originally Posted by PaigeC

Is anyone else annoyed by the "young parents" thing? Sounds like a carefully veiled insult like we are too dumb to "know."

I wonder how they define young. My parents had measles, rubella, cp, wc, mumps, etc. They most def do have experiences with these diseases and so do I. Not to mention my grandparents and my great grandparents. And I am most certainly a young parent.

How about drs who can't tell the difference between wc and allergies? Who doesn't have personal experience? These diseases aren't terrible most people aren't going to be going to the dr for them anyway. I know I never set foot into a drs office when I had cp. So really how many horrible cases are they going to be seeing? And would they know it even if it did present to them? I doubt it.

[Gitti]

WOW, you guys are good. I was going to post but you've said it all. Except, doctors have to toe the party line and therefore it is better for them to just defend what is their bread and butter.

Any doctor who is on the fence and gives the slightest little hint of it gets the

Look at what is happening with Dr. Sears for writing his book. He certainly is back peddling now, saying he is definitely PRO-Vaccine. He says the purpose of his book and delayed schedule is to encourage anti-vax parents to vaccinate their child.

Hmmm...

[Emmeline II]

"And most importantly, as the diseases that vaccines prevent have disappeared, our young parents have no personal experience of these diseases and neither do their parents."

Um, my parents do. Measles, mumps, rubella, and my mom had paralytic polio.

[Cheshire]

I had measles and mumps when I was little. I had rheumatic fever when I was in college (never knew I was sick until my joints started to swell and I couldn't stand to move - my doc thought I had lupus - thank goodness it wasn't and I had to go through six months of antibiotics, yuck!). I had chicken pox when I was 26. I'm immune to rubella - don't know if I had it naturally or if it's from the vax (I was fully vaxed). But, I'm also 37 and by fully vaxed - it means like 7 or 8 over my childhood.

Wouldn't we all have an easier time with this issue if the docs would just be truthful. I feel like I'm being patronized - that because I don't have "M.D." behind my name that I'm not smart enough to understand the "science" behind the vaxes.

How about going back to teaching docs how to treat illnesses when necessary but also how to treat health - it's a lot cheaper in the long run to encourage health first and then medicine when necessary. But, I guess that's the real issue - cheaper vs. big pharma $$$.

[MadameXCupcake]

Young parent?
I'm 20, fully vaxed by the 90's schedule, and I have had chicken pox, whooping cough, mumps, rota[was hospitalized for this] and I'm guessing Hib and the flu at one point too.
Thats quite a few VPD's right there so yes I am young but I have had experience with quite a few of these. If not I can ask my grandma she's had the measles and seen polio and even she said she wouldn't vaccinate.

Thye keep spreading these lies but they aren't working anymore, more and more people are waking up! You think maybe they would try a different tactic.

EDIT - You know for trying to get more people to vax they are just going to discourage even more people who are vaxing. I just saw in the selective vax forum no more seperate MMR, what are they thinking?

[LindsayK]

I'm really impressed with the quality of the comments at the end of the ABC article... did a bunch of MDC'ers go and comment?

[QUOTE=Marnica;12909973]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Coldand...6531763&page=1

[buttercupmama]

Dr. Sears never sounded anything but pro-vaccine to me. If he waned at all, it was simply to cater to worried parents. Considering the information he presented in his book, I would have expected him to be anti-vaccine. I would have expected anyone reading it to be as well. That's just not the case.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by PaigeC

Is anyone else annoyed by the "young parents" thing? Sounds like a carefully veiled insult like we are too dumb to "know."

I am middle age with children of my own and not vaxed myself. I have a lifetime of experience under my non-vaxed belt and no one will tell me that I am too dumb and unexperienced to know, especially the 25 year old intern in the pediatric office.

[newmum35]

I too really enjoyed the comments at the end of the article. I haven't contributed but really enjoyed the fact that most people had educated themselves about the real truth behind our current crazy vaccine schedule. It IS insane and criminal to be doing this to infants, year after year and its only getting worse- I just read they are going to mandate gardasil for boys too. Talk about insane. Mandating a boy to get a cervical cancer vaccine- when they don't even have a cervix! They are also going to up the age for women- to include those through 45! It probably will only be a matter of time before the "recommended age" for getting this vaccine drops from age 11 or 12 and is added to the infant schedule instead. Like the hep B vaccine, they will say its because enough people aren't choosing to get it for themselves, so they will conveniently add it to the dangerous cocktail mix in infancy.

[CanidFL]

On Monday, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is issuing its updated childhood vaccination schedule, along with an article that deconstructs Sears' popular "delayed vaccine" schedule.

Does anyone have a link to the article and new schedule? I'm really interested to see how they discount Dr. Sears schedule.

[mysticmomma]

curious too.