"what about people coming in from other countries?"

[thatblondegirl]

this is a question posed to me when talking about the fact that i don't vaccinate. and i didn't have an answer to it, as i'm not really informed on that. i guess i'm just not worried about it.

i live in canada and we have a lot of people from other countries immigrating here or even travelling here. should i be worried about them bringing a VPD here? are you worried about that? like polio or something for instance. it's really really rare where i live. should i be concerned that someone from another country will bring something like that here and my unvaxed kid would get it?

also, i was vaxed as a kid. but i would likely not have any immunity anymore right? my DH asked me that last nite.

TIA

[kiara7]

Majority of adults don't get their boosters of anything recommended by CDC - it's harder to make adults comply - we're not falling over sick and dead. There are hundreds of thousands people traveling in and out of US and Canada every day. I'm not really worried about it - I'm more worried about vax'ed kids/adults shedding viruses around.

[Marnica]

If this was a valid arguement (That these diseases are just a plane ride away) than I think there would have been huge outbreaks of these diseases among adults (since most are not getting boosters etc) and there isn't so what does that tell you??

[EVC]

No, there is nothing to worry about in my opinion (and I live in a VERY multicultural area--heck, dh is a recent immigrant, and dd was born abroad).

Four reasons:

1. Anyone who is actively infected with a serious disease isn't taking tourist trips abroad.

2. Many people in other countries ARE vaccinated, similar to people in the US/Canada. Therefore, are no more or less "dangerous" than any of your neighbors. Everyone where I live worries about Mexicans , but Mexico actually has a very high vaccination rate.

3. Many of those people who were NOT vaccinated (and quite a few who were, probably), have already had the diseases and therefore have more lasting immunity than those who were vaccinated as children and have since lost their immunity. Therefore they are even "safer" than your vax'ed neighbors (if you want to use that kind of terminology).

4. Not sure about the Canadian immigration process, but for the US, when you apply for an immigration visa/greencard, you are required to undergo a thorough medical exam (including chest X-ray and blood work), AND you are required to provide proof of up to date vax status according to the US schedule. So immigrants are also no more or less "dangerous" than any of your neighbors--in fact, since their vax'es are up to date, they are more likely to still have immunity.

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[melissabb]

Originally Posted by kiara7

Majority of adults don't get their boosters of anything recommended by CDC - it's harder to make adults comply - we're not falling over sick and dead. There are hundreds of thousands people traveling in and out of US and Canada every day. I'm not really worried about it - I'm more worried about vax'ed kids/adults shedding viruses around.

This is so true and I have often used it when parents accuse me of taking advantage of "herd immunity" because my own kids aren't vaxed.

Most adults have not been vaxed since childhood. In fact, my hubby and I were vaxed as kids but haven't been re-vaxed since atleast the age of 12. That's 24 years with no vax. And I don't see anyone beating down my door mandating I do it or I can't go to work/the mall etc etc. KWIM?

"They" just trap us in a corner when it comes to kids and vax because they hold the right to education over our heads. Sadly, most kids are vaxed simply because the state/province lies and tells parents the child can not attend school if they don't have up to date vax. So, unknowingly, these parents get the child vaxed. I often wonder how high the vax rate would be if everyone homeschooled.

SOrry off topic there!

Anyway, I agree with the quote above. Why worry about foreigners when most of us adults are walking around with "no protection" from disease (Of course, I don't believe we need to be vaxed but just stating what the sheeple all think). How are foreigners any different really?

I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, if it were an issue then adults would be dropping dead like flies! Hmmmm.....we should ALL use that line next time someone gets on us about our non-vaxed kids. We should turn around, look at the parents and say...

"Oh, so when was the last time you had your entire round of vaccinations?"

Cheeky, yes. But to the point.

[Gitti]

Ask your OB doctor when was the last time he had the rubella vaccine?

Probably when he was a kid.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by Gitti

Ask your OB doctor when was the last time he had the rubella vaccine?

Probably when he was a kid.

Yes, and they are around the pregnant women all day long.

Somalians who are moving to Minnesota are getting that "Minnesota disease", a term they use for autism since they never have seen it in Somalia, so Somalians have no word for it. Yes, they are fully vaccinated.

As for worrying about diseases from "them foreigners", only doctors can get away with such bigoted and politically incorrect speech.

[PaigeC]

I get this question too. My answer is that these disease, for the most part, aren't that scary. We've been led to believe that vaccine available diseases are the bubonic plague or ebola. They aren't. Measles, mumps, rubella? No problem. Polio? 95% flu symptoms, 99% fully recoverable. Also, many of these diseases are horribly deadly in 3rd world countries with poor sanitation, nutrition, and access to healthcare. Even if your kids pick it up they start off from a much better place.

Part of the lies about vaccines depend on the lies they've spread about how bad the illnesses are.

[Sailor]

I'm not vaccinated for 99% of the stuff for which my parents were "supposed" to vaccinate.

And I travel to lots of countries - from developed nations to undeveloped. I've never gotten sick.

I mean, I have gotten sick. But, NEVER from something that could be prevented by a vaccine. And I've been to fairly primitive places, for weeks at a time.

I figure, if that didn't do me in - then immigration is not going to either.

Besides, statistically, the stuff for which we're supposed to vaccinate is fairly rare.

[lioralourie]

haha this is so funny!

we LIVE in China and don't vaccinate (ourselves or our kids, baby #3 due in a month!)

We know a lot of families who never vaccinated/don't vaccinate and their kids are much healthier and smarter than most of the mainstream kids we know.

[In Exile]

My favorite was somebody that wanted to push another Tetanus onto me because of those foreigners...haha. TETANUS! Because it's obviously a people jumping infectious disease... That was somebody that worked in the medical field.

That's just a very foreigner-fear inducing way of getting people to "comply", the fear of the "foreigner." If that was the case we should have real pandemics in the US of yellow fever, ebola etc- do you know how many people enter the US annually?? The number of people flying into the country perfectly legally is high- not every visitor on the visa waiver program is carrying something awful and pretty much every immigrant with a Visa gets treated like lab rat- immigrants with a visa are THE cash cow, you just force them get every vax available- Gardasil is the latest attempt to keep big business humming by forcing it on immigrants- because the general population is very hesitant.

You know how they achieve a similiar effect in Germany? I know Doctor that lie and threaten their patients. I know somebody who had one incredible story with her Doctor. She mentioned that she wanted to visit the little girl's dad in the US. The Doc proceeded to tell her that in the US everyone gets force vaccinatied at the border upon arrival and surely she wanted avoid that-and rather vax "in a controlled situation under supervision".

The tactics are the same- makeing up stuff, induce fear to get compliance-all over the world.

[pinksprklybarefoot]

Originally Posted by applejuice

Somalians who are moving to Minnesota are getting that "Minnesota disease", a term they use for autism since they never have seen it in Somalia, so Somalians have no word for it. Yes, they are fully vaccinated.

Do you have a link to a news article or something on this? This is very interesting and I'd like to show it to DH. We live in MN.

[Magali]

I choose to not vaccinate NOT because I feel my child will never get sick and NOT because we live in a country with a high vaccination rate. IMO, the risks of the vaccines outweigh the risks of the diseases. End of story.

[Emmeline II]

http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2008/ju..._children.aspx

[applejuice]

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle.../27334979.html
http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2008/ju..._children.aspx

One in 28 is said to be autistic. Doctors think it is the cold climate...:

[Full Heart]

Originally Posted by applejuice

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle.../27334979.html
http://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2008/ju..._children.aspx

One in 28 is said to be autistic. Doctors think it is the cold climate...:

I think the somalians think it might be something environmental as well since some are returning to the native country hoping to cure their children. Not sure if the drs told them to or that they are just willing to try anything.

I can't believe stories like this don't make people connect the dots.

[In Exile]

Originally Posted by Full Heart

I think the somalians think it might be something environmental as well since some are returning to the native country hoping to cure their children. Not sure if the drs told them to or that they are just willing to try anything.

I can't believe stories like this don't make people connect the dots.

I cannot believe that Doctors pull the same cr*p literally over thousands of years. They come with the bigges absurdities and expect people to be stupid? Everybody knows, that the woman's uterus is climbing around inside her body and thus causing her to be "hysteric"..., right? That falls along the same lines.

Thus, the cold climate is making kids autistic...

Are we THAT stupid??? It's the year 2009 and it seems that "medical branch" pulls the same stuff they did from the getgo. They do HARM (anybody remember "mandatory" tonsillectomy, x-ray of of a pregnant woman's body etc), tell people who have doubts and see the damage with their own eye "hey, you're stupid and wrong" and then a couple years down the road the damage causing issue will get swept under the rug and nobody actually wants to say "yeah, we were stupid for doing these things".

Same deal, every.single.time.

[MadziesMom]

great book

I ma reading a really interesting book right now called Raising a vaccine free child by Wendy Lydall. She talks about and cracks open the many vaccine myths and lies the medical establishments try to tell us regarding vaccination. Worth a peak if it's interesting to you. I am LOVING it so far!

[thatblondegirl]

i actually JUST ordered this book from Amazon today! lol thanks!