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post #1 of 26
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Bear with me here. Just wondering if this makes any sense...

So, I've been thinking about the chicken pox vaccine. I think it's sort of ridiculous because it's a "normal childhood illness" with practically no side effects whatever, I'm not here to talk about that... but thinking about the chicken pox vaccine, here's my thought.

I read that chicken pox is more dangerous for adults than for children. So this means that adults that have never had chicken pox are possibly in a bad position in if there's an "outbreak" of chicken pox. For children it's mild (generally, relatively) and then then they get lifetime immunity from it.

Soooo... I've had chicken pox, thus I have lifetime immunity, right? But not too long after I was a kid, they came out with the chicken pox vaccine, so presumably the majority of the population of people younger than I am were given the vaccine as young children, then boosters through school. Possibly it's required before college, now? I'm not sure, I know MMR is. So, there's this whole generation of Americans who have likely not had the actual chicken pox disease and the immunity conferred from it. Right? So... it's no big deal (supposedly - of course there's the shingles issue, but for the sake of arguement...) as long as they keep up their boosters, right?

So my worry is this: How many adults really keep up with boosters except for, say, tetanus if they get a deep cut, or the flu shot (some people)? Are we looking at an entire generation who will be vulnerable to chicken pox as adults when their last booster from their teens wears off?

Am I crazy? don't answer that Just curious if this is an issue or if there's really something I'm missing from this. I mean, Chicken pox is certainly still in the population these days. We do HEAR of chicken pox parties, not to mention that people fairly frequently get shingles and chicken pox can be spread from there....
post #2 of 26
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Are we looking at an entire generation who will be vulnerable to chicken pox as adults when their last booster from their teens wears off?
Oh yes, this is most defintitely an issue.

In addition, if I understand correctly, you don't totally get lifelong immunity from having chickenpox. However, as the disease circulates, you receive natural "boosters" to your immunity which then keeps your immunity up preventing you from actually getting it again. Now that the disease no longer circulates as it once did, adults who had the chickenpox as children are no longer getting their "natural boosters".

Is that correct? Anyone know?
post #3 of 26
Part of the problem is that no one knows how long immunity from the CP vaccine lasts for. It hasn't been around long enough. At first the recommendation was one shot, then a booster was recommended.

So, I agree, it can (and likely will) be a problem.
post #4 of 26
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Oh yes, this is most defintitely an issue.

In addition, if I understand correctly, you don't totally get lifelong immunity from having chickenpox. However, as the disease circulates, you receive natural "boosters" to your immunity which then keeps your immunity up preventing you from actually getting it again. Now that the disease no longer circulates as it once did, adults who had the chickenpox as children are no longer getting their "natural boosters".

Is that correct? Anyone know?
That's what I've heard as well. I feel ok about giving my kids some of the shots, but I'm adamantly against CP. I'm not how to get around it, though
post #5 of 26
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Oh yes, this is most defintitely an issue.

In addition, if I understand correctly, you don't totally get lifelong immunity from having chickenpox. However, as the disease circulates, you receive natural "boosters" to your immunity which then keeps your immunity up preventing you from actually getting it again. Now that the disease no longer circulates as it once did, adults who had the chickenpox as children are no longer getting their "natural boosters".

Is that correct? Anyone know?
i have heard this mentioned several times, i had also heard that shingles in adults is on the rise since we arent exposed to the virus to get the boosters like we used to.

oh, but dont worry, they are working on a shingles vaccine right now, NOT KIDDING!!!!
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by amiemarie7 View Post
i have heard this mentioned several times, i had also heard that shingles in adults is on the rise since we arent exposed to the virus to get the boosters like we used to.

oh, but dont worry, they are working on a shingles vaccine right now, NOT KIDDING!!!!

There already is a shingles vaccine...it's called Zostrix
post #7 of 26
Don't y'all get it? You get the CP vax when you're young and don't really need it so that you cannot get immunity for your adolescence and adulthood, when it really does matter if you get CP. Then--conveniently--you're compelled to get vaxed for what is now genuinely a serious disease. Isn't that cute? Pharma thinks of everything! ()
post #8 of 26
I didn't get CP because it just wasn't around when I was young - and the vaccine wasn't around in my country at that time (nobody my age (26) was vaxxed against CP).
I had to get the CP shot for my green card. And then followed up with a second shot as two are required. I didn't know any better back then. At my pre-preggo visit at the obgyn they noticed that I had no antibodies against CP. So another two shots of CP (I was such an idiot!). They tested titers again right away and 6 months later. NOt a single antibody.

The vax doesn't work. Not at all for me.... It is way better to just get CP and not use the vaccine in kids - it seems to work only partially for them anyways... Do we know if adults react not at all to the vaccine as I have no antibodies to it?
post #9 of 26
Is there a vaccination for reality? Cause I'm suffering very badly from it here.
post #10 of 26
Nature has everything working in a perfect balance when we don't mess with it. Simple childhood disease, get natural "boosters" when you have kids, grandkids, etc. - no problem.

But NO, pharma has to get a piece of the pie - cp vax, now shingles vax. Just because $omeone decided to mess w/nature.
post #11 of 26
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Is there a vaccination for reality? Cause I'm suffering very badly from it here.
Yes, it's called Alcohol. It's pretty expensive keeping up with the boosters, though.
post #12 of 26
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Yes, it's called Alcohol. It's pretty expensive keeping up with the boosters, though.

Ok, glad I'm not just making stuff up in my head. sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but no, reality is just insane...
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by La Rune View Post
Yes, it's called Alcohol. It's pretty expensive keeping up with the boosters, though.
post #14 of 26
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Yes, it's called Alcohol. It's pretty expensive keeping up with the boosters, though.
post #15 of 26
I got cp at age five. After a good 6 month bout with a lot of stress, I got shingles last year(self diagnosed). Sure enough my kids both got nice raging cases of chicken pox about 2 weeks later. When I talked to the lady in the office of ds' school, she said they always have a lot of cases when it starts to get warm. Then the next door neighbor got them a couple of months ago and I think she has been vaxed.

Anyway, I feel like we will have a huge amount of cases of adult cp in about 15-20 years.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
There already is a shingles vaccine...it's called Zostrix
Merck's is Zostavax.
post #17 of 26
My family doctor even thinks the cp vaccine is bogus...he says we don't know what's going to happen to these people who have never had "actual chickenpox" and that is really doesn't do all that much to help either...
post #18 of 26
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Soooo... without avoiding all vaccines, how can I avoid this one, specifically? I'm so frustrated that they won't allow philosophical exemptions in NY. UGH.
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by buttercupmama View Post
Is there a vaccination for reality? Cause I'm suffering very badly from it here.

post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by spero View Post
Merck's is Zostavax.

Thanks for clarifying...I was reading about Zostrix and shingles and got confused...I guess Zostrix is often given for symptom relief.
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