Originally Posted by Varga
Many of our vaccines are safer then many that you have in the US.
I would definitely be interested in a list of ingredients of the Norway-based vaccines!
So, I absolutely live by the idea that if osmeone asks you a question, it means that they want your answer. Not *an* answer, but *your* answer.
For me, my answers are often long. A quick comment about how interesting DS looks (he's quarter Korean and looks it in black and white pictures, but in color he has amber eyes and red hair, with pale skin that can tan) results in a very long talk about genetics, family history, things said to hubby when DS was brand new, and so on.
So if someone pulled me into, first, a confession that DS isn't vaxed, and two, a conversation about it, well, I'd talk about...germs.
Being vaccinated, or having had a disease that gives lifelong immunity, doesn't cause a person to be made of teflon, causing the germs to just bounce off them. Nor does it cause the germs to die on contact. No. Rather, it simply means, if the vaccine worked in the vaccinated person, that the person doesn't react obviously to the disease.
Obviously the person's body has to take it in, the body must recognize it, say "oh we know that one, we have antibodies, there you go, all done", but it won't have the huge reaction that someone else might have.
So if I'm totally immune to measles, and I walk through a "cloud" of measles germs, my body will respond in a small way to it, but I will still have them on me for a certain amount of time. So if I go and hug someone, they might get them and their bodies get to mount their own response.
I have a friend who is on the liver transplant list, due to food-borne hepatitis as a kid and a couple other bizarre issues that happened...they found that her spleen wasn't working, so they went in to take it out ('cuz that makes sense) and found she had TWO non-working spleens...she's had bile duct issues, oh the list goes on, her organs are very difficult, though she is doing very well.
To stay on that transplant list, she must fall in line with every demand, and that includes taking immunosupressive drugs.
At the same time, she is vaccinated what seems like every 5 minutes (is actually every few months). They'll do a titer, it shows non-immune, she's shot up again. Do a titer, non-immune, shot. And so on and so forth. Her insurance company won't pay for them anymore b/c it's nonessential according to them...she's paying 100s of dollars every few months for these.
See the lack of logic? She's on drugs that keep her immune system from mounting a response, but they are expecting her to create a response to the vaccines. Absolutely boggles the mind.
And she is, as I call her, Typhoid Mary. It takes near-plague to get her sick, but she spreads EVERYTHING that goes on around her. If I spend time with her in a closed room, I am GOING to get sick. I try to stay in ventilated places, LOL. She's got a swarm of germs around her, but she has no warning system b/c she doesn't mount an immune response!
Germs are out there. Being immune doesn't mean we can't be carriers. I *prefer* a non-carrier, b/c it means they get sick and I know to stay away from them.
I'd probably go on and on, but I don't want to torment you.