Secondary Infertility? Anyone in my boat? - Page 3

[LessTraveledBy]

Tested today and it was negative, at least 12 DPO. I knew to expect it but even then it is not fun. Dd has been sad lately about how there is no baby in our family. I have tried hard not to show her how I feel and she understands that these are things that a person cannot decide. Yet, it is hard to see how her joyful thoughts about the matter have in the past couple of months changed into some sort if disbelief that there is still no baby on its way when every single other kid she knows has a sibling or two.

At least for now this is my cross and I accept it... but that does not make the emotions go away.

[Victorian patch]

I have secondary infertility too, my son is 9 years old and I am in the last chance for being a mom again . My 1st son was natural and now spend a lot of money and emotions in this boat. The reason for my infertility is the LUF Syndrome. On the way on thursday 15th is our last IUI, if we want an IVF we need to wait at least a year.... but I don't want to try anything else, I am really tired.

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by Anumaria

Tested today and it was negative, at least 12 DPO. I knew to expect it but even then it is not fun. Dd has been sad lately about how there is no baby in our family. I have tried hard not to show her how I feel and she understands that these are things that a person cannot decide. Yet, it is hard to see how her joyful thoughts about the matter have in the past couple of months changed into some sort if disbelief that there is still no baby on its way when every single other kid she knows has a sibling or two.

At least for now this is my cross and I accept it... but that does not make the emotions go away.

I'm so sorry .

Originally Posted by Victorian patch

I have secondary infertility too, my son is 9 years old and I am in the last chance for being a mom again . My 1st son was natural and now spend a lot of money and emotions in this boat. The reason for my infertility is the LUF Syndrome. On the way on thursday 15th is our last IUI, if we want an IVF we need to wait at least a year.... but I don't want to try anything else, I am really tired.

Could you explain the LUF Syndrome? I've never heard of it before. I hope this last chance works for you .

[eviesmum]

HI everyone, glad to see this thread. I am still in the process of figuring out what is wrong. We have had ongoing problems with fertility. #1 took 7 years to concieve somewhat out of the blue, now almost two years ago. I have had 1 m/c apr of 99, and another mc at 7.5 weeks about 8 cylces ago. I'm confused!

We have been reffered (for the 2nd time, 1st time was about 5-6 years ago, and I gave up after 4 cycles on clomid) to a fertility specialist. Wait list is long, don't know when we will get in. In the meantime I'm just trying to get an idea of waht the problem is.

Right now I am charting, (since m/c so 8 months) read the TCOYF book, was awesome, thought I would be able to TCOMF, no luck. Appear to be annovulatory past few cycles.

So just bidding time and looking for support! And glad to connect with fellow 2nd infertility folks.

Very grateful and feel ulitmatley blessed to have had #1, She's is my world. As an only child myself, it was lonely, and I really don't want her to grow up as an only child too... however I am also grateful for all the love and dedication I have been able to devote to her so far!! TOughie! But I think our family would be all the more complete with another little one!! SO many crunchy things I didn't get to do that I really want to do!! LoL! Home birth being the main one! DD co-slpet until 5.5 months when she outgrew our bed!! LOL! Needed her own space much to my dismay! And she self weaned at 15 months, also to my dismay!! She is a well adjusted, happy and seculrey independent girl anyway thanks to all theother attachement parenting practices!!

Anyhow, what else... I'm happily common law married for over 10 years to a wonderful DH, Ive just finished my social work degree, and am currently an unemployed grad!! Oh I'm fast approaching 31 as well!!

Nice to meet you all and good luck in your journeys!

[SoCaliMommy]

to everyone


We are switching insurance because hubbys work next month so we are going to wait til then to try and see a RE. We will have Atena HMO which sadly is cheaper then the PPO option through his work.

Any other charters have any insight on the wacky + opks *chart in siggy*---I went and bought Answer 20test strips because i was doubting i O'd yet and i got a + , when i had a + on cd23 &24 with the midsteam answer opks guess i should have tempted the whole cycle dang it.

[Dea]

Hello!
eviesmum>> HI! I'm Canadian also! Although I live in the US. I hope you don't have to wait long on a waitlist. My DH's cousin is going through a waitlist hell too... I feel so bad for her!

wild~blossom>> So I have many PCOS symptoms but my RE won't diagnose me with PCOS, and yet I am on metformin... I'm so confused by it, how can I have many symptoms, and not have it? Ack!


Anumaria>> I am so sorry.

[Dea]

oh also... does anyone have an idea how long provera can take to work? I finished a 10 day dose on Sunday, and no hints of AF. Any ideas?

[Victorian patch]

Originally Posted by wild~blossom

Could you explain the LUF Syndrome? I've never heard of it before. I hope this last chance works for you .

Sure Wild here is the answer for you:

LUTEINIZED UNRUPTURED FOLLICLE (LUF) SYNDROME

Recognized disorders of folliculogenesis cannot be identified before ovulation begins. They are believed to reflect abnormalities in follicular development.

The LUF syndrome describes development of a dominant follicle without its subsequent disruption and release of the ovum. The abnormality can be diagnosed by ultrasonography or by the absence of evidence of ovulation when the ovary is viewed at laparoscopy. The disorder is believed to occur infrequently and sporadically and is probably not a significant cause of infertility. Menstrual cycles in which no ovum is released are characterized by presumptive evidence of ovulation, including biphasic basal body temperatures, secretory endometrium, a normal LH surge, and normal progesterone production in the luteal phase. In fact, although the syndrome is believed to occur, data to substantiate its existence are only circumstantial (although strongly suggestive) at present.

This syndrome in many situations is cause of endometriosis : and infertility : and I am one of the lucky girls . So if this IUI doesn't work, they will stop my periods with an IU dispositive called MIRENA to prevent a new endometriosis, because in my situation the endometriosis is a consecuence of the LUF Syndrome.

[by-the-lake]

Originally Posted by Dea

oh also... does anyone have an idea how long provera can take to work? I finished a 10 day dose on Sunday, and no hints of AF. Any ideas?

Usually 3-4 days, but everyone is a bit different.

[Guinevere]

Hi everyone,

Sorry to abandon this thread for a while -- it's been a crazy, stressful week at my house. More on that later...

Originally Posted by Anumaria

Tested today and it was negative, at least 12 DPO. I knew to expect it but even then it is not fun.

Aw, mama, huge squashy to you. I hate, hate, hate seeing that stark white space where a line should be more than almost anything else. Sigh. I'm due to be seeing that - HPT myself on Friday, but this month, I'm actually looking forward to it, b/c this is my first (and only, if I have any say about it) month on supplemental progesterone, and it's making me feel like utter crud, so at least a - will mean that I get to stop the darned stuff! :

Originally Posted by Victorian patch

My 1st son was natural and now spend a lot of money and emotions in this boat. The reason for my infertility is the LUF Syndrome.

I'm sorry to hear about the LUF -- I'm amazed you actually got it diagnosed, since it sounds really hard to be sure of. How did you find out that was what was going on? I'll be crossing my fingers for your next IUI.

Originally Posted by eviesmum

HI everyone, glad to see this thread. I am still in the process of figuring out what is wrong.
We have been reffered (for the 2nd time, 1st time was about 5-6 years ago, and I gave up after 4 cycles on clomid) to a fertility specialist. Wait list is long, don't know when we will get in.

Welcome. I hope your wait to see a RE isn't too long; how frustrating.

Originally Posted by SoCaliMommy

Any other charters have any insight on the wacky + opks *chart in siggy*---I went and bought Answer 20test strips because i was doubting i O'd yet and i got a + , when i had a + on cd23 &24 with the midsteam answer opks guess i should have tempted the whole cycle dang it.

It's possible your body geared up to O the first two days you got a +, but then didn't quite manage it, so you surged again several days later. Looks like the 2nd time may have been the "real" one, if your temps stay above the coverline. I had that happen to me once about 6 mos. ago or so -- I got a + for like 5 days in a row , but then my temps didn't go up. Finally, almost a week later, got another + OPK and I finally ovulated for real. I was very stressed the week I got the endless +s, and I think it delayed Oing for me.

As I mentioned, life in my house has been very stressful this past week. My DH is self-employed and has worked from home for the past 4 yrs. Well, with the current economic situation, it's just not cutting it anymore, he's lost too many clients, so he interviewed for a full-time, management position last week. The pay isn't fabulous, and there are no benefits, but it is relatively flexible (he can do some of the work from home, for example) and we really need a steady paycheck right now. So starting Feb. 1st, he'll be gone from 8-5 pm.

But this is going to be extremely disruptive to our entire family, and the heaviest burden is going to fall to me, since I will now be doing all the dropping-off and picking-up all day long, as well as the homeschooling (my kids attend a hybrid school which is 1/2 public school, 1/2 homeschool), meal prep, and therapies for my youngest little one, who has Down Syndrome.

I'd feel a lot more confident about my ability to take all this on if I didn't feel absolutely rotten physically right now. Whatever has made me infertile and led to my m/c this past fall has blossomed into a full-blown health crisis. I'm extremely fatigued, nauseous at times, have trouble focussing on anything, but can't sleep well at night, am very moody and horribly irritable, depressed, and worst of all, I'm in a lot of pain. I have cramping lower back pain every single day and since I began this kidney detox treatment my acupuncturist gave me last week, I've had really bad kidney pain on top of it, like I'm about to pass a stone. Fun, fun. I'm honestly barely functioning most days. And I'm royally sick of it all! : Something has to change. At this point, fertility is lower on my priority list than simply being HEALTHY, yk? I had my thyroid checked last year and was told it was fine, but I don't think it is anymore, if it ever was. I have almost every single symptom of hypothyroid out there now. I have an appt. with a new doc at the end of the month to check things out again.

Oh, and I'm 8DPO and need to test in a couple of days so I can stop taking the Prometrium and have a period. Given the symptoms I've had since I began it a week ago, Friday can't come soon enough!

Guin

[SoCaliMommy]

Guinevere~ I didn't think it was possible to O with no cm which is what is going on right now.

's on the stressful past week.

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by SoCaliMommy

Guinevere~ I didn't think it was possible to O with no cm which is what is going on right now.

's on the stressful past week.

I'm sorry , I didn't even look at the lack of CM -- I'm not used to reading ovusoft charts and don't what everything means/where it is. I agree that no CM would make it very hard to O . Have you ever had issues with good EWCM? If not, then I'd think it's more likely something's off with the OPKs. Hope you figure it out!

And thanks for the hugs, I'll take 'em! I had acupuncture today and my acupuncturist gave me the equivalent of needle "morphine". I was hooked up to an electronic stimulator that vibrated needles in my ears and wrists. Yeah, I know, great mental image, huh? But wow, it worked! Last night, I was on the verge of taking percocet for the pain, and I am blissfully, totally numb right now, four hours later. Hooray for pain relief! :

Guin

[SoCaliMommy]

Guinevere ~ Nope no problems with good EWCM, had great cm on the 7th,8th & 9th & had + opks on the 8th and 9th.
Glad the acupuncture helped with the pain

[eviesmum]

Guinevere~ I didn't think it was possible to O with no cm which is what is going on right now.
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Some people do O with no CM, there is a product called pre-seed that can be used for this. I have CM to soon prior to O, so am often dry when the time is right

Has anyone tried any of the alternative fertility methods? I am intrested to know. I am currently reading The Infertility Cure, by Randine Lewis. And I think it's awesome.

Guinevere your post sounds like you would benefit from it, and I see you are going to an accupuncturist.... I just really appreciate the perspective it is giving on balancing the body as a whole in order to get it functioning as whatever is causing IF affects the body as whole... that's my biggest hesitation about ART right now, as I would like them to correct the underlying problem!! WHich I think is hormones, and that just isnt gonna happen! LoL! Seriously thinking the TCM is the way to go, or at least give a shot!

ANyone else try it?

[Pookietooth]

Originally Posted by Dea

Hello!

wild~blossom>> So I have many PCOS symptoms but my RE won't diagnose me with PCOS, and yet I am on metformin... I'm so confused by it, how can I have many symptoms, and not have it? Ack!

Will the RE treat you with fertility meds? I think sometimes that they don't want to give you a dx because it can prevent you from ever getting individual insurance or even sometimes life insurance, as a preexisting condition that is associated with many illnesses (heart disease, diabetes, cancer). If the RE is treating you, maybe you don't need the official dx?

[Victorian patch]

Originally Posted by Guinevere

I'm sorry to hear about the LUF -- I'm amazed you actually got it diagnosed, since it sounds really hard to be sure of. How did you find out that was what was going on? I'll be crossing my fingers for your next IUI.

Guinevere... thank you for your lucky wishes....I'll try to explain in a short way how we find out the LUF Syndrome.

Since a got my first period I had a lot of pain, but not more for 3 or 5 days, then with the years the pain days were increasing up to 7 days or more. : Also all my periods were of 24 days and now are a disaster. Around 5 years ago everything change, the pain days still 7 to 10 but the pain level was increasing, also muscles pain, headaches, vomiting, uterus pain, feeling depresive, bed rest... they start doing ultrasound each period and in many of them they find out that I was wasn't O, when the pain days increase up to 15 days using morfin to calm down the pain, I quit to look for another child if they give a solution for my continous bedresting... then the Doctor who knows me for around 15 years give us the chance to look for a baby but also hubby have to put a lot of help in it (we need to have a maid, to do all the house work and I can bedrest as I need), we start to program sexual relation and using for the red days alternative medication, doing ultrasound at least 4 times in the year, then we start stimulation and it was like the solution at the beginning because I feel better, but the answer from my body wasn't the right one, so with the O ultrasound the noticed that in most of the periods LUF, during this time had 2 IUI and many others were canceled, my follies became LUF.....then they find the endometriosis and they did a Laparoscopy in July 2008....the first period after that was great but in the second i got a LUF again, later in October got another one and stayed 2 month in my folicular phase, the follies were going up and down in the size 40 mm then 26 then 35 then 23 was crazy, they use natural progesterone and it doesn't work, so after 16 days bleeding they stop it with a chemical progesterone and I had to wait 2 periods waiting they disapear, now we are here waiting for the Beta Day in my last chance, because the consecuense of all is that when I don't have stimultation the symthoms are back and the pain 2, but in answer of all the stimulation everything increase their levels.

Another sympthom was getting weight, since they start inducing my ovulation with injections I start losing weight and a lot of them. With the last LUF got another kilos and now trying to lose them 2. The reason for that is the edema that is natural in me for the red days.

The english is not my native languague but I will try in my own words to explain how the LUF works in my situation.

In the folicular phase my ovaries produce estrogen to make the follies grown but not enough to produce the follies rupture, at the same time the endo who is estrogen dependient grows very fast an easy and it start an endometriosis if the body doesnt answer with contraction to expulse that endo not needed (like a false period, I have bleeding days up to 7 or 10 but there is not any O). Then sympthoms are very similar with the endometriosis but in our situation the endometriosis is produced by LUF....the reason for the LUF probably is my age ....so that why if we don't stop the periods I can't have a normal life and I will continue spending money in medicine, exams and doctors.... and losing to have fun with my son and hubby. Is not healthy 2 for a 9 years old boy seeing his mom always sick and with a lot of pain that he doesn't understand what really is going on.

For long time was hard to find out about my pain because I have a hearing problem in both ears, so many times the doctors think that I was feeling more pain because I am deaft, but this doctor never stop looking for the reasons and always believe in my own way to regist my periods, one day I show him my diary and he explain me that it was the right way of using the billing and I have to keep doing ultil we have an answer. Now if this IUI doesnt work we will stop my periods forever for giving me a normal life as any mom does.

I wish you all understand, if not, I can try to explain it again thank you very much for asking.

[Dea]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

Will the RE treat you with fertility meds? I think sometimes that they don't want to give you a dx because it can prevent you from ever getting individual insurance or even sometimes life insurance, as a preexisting condition that is associated with many illnesses (heart disease, diabetes, cancer). If the RE is treating you, maybe you don't need the official dx?

I am already being treated... so that totally makes sense!

Actually AF finally showed up, today is day 2! I spent an obscene amount of money on my drugs today and I start injecting them tomorrow! Whoo hoo! I could possibly be having an IUI next week! NEXT WEEK!
WOW....
Or on the other hand it will take 3 weeks of injections again, at $350 for 5 days and I could go crazy....

[crystal-mommy]

I also have secondary infert. I am 29, Dh is 35, we have a DD who is 5 (will be 6 in april). DD was a big "oops" I found out I was preg w/ her 2 days after we moved into our house. Never DREAMED # 2 would take so long to conceive. We have been trying since DD was 2, so going on almost 4 yrs.

I was dx w/ PCOS about 3 yrs ago and have taken Glucophage ever since. My PCOS sx are minimal now and I do get regular periods... every 28 freakin days... like clock work! I did 2 months of clomid, 6 of femara, and am back on Clomid after taking a break for the holidays. I had lap surgery in July and he "fixed" my adhesions, bladder stuck to uterus, left tube was "hiding" and left ovary was not where it belonged, and endo! Dr says I HAD a reason for not getting preg... but he doesn't know why I have gotten preg since the surg. So the 3 yrs of trying before the surgery- NEVER could have gotten preg on my own.

DD wants a sibling so bad, she doesn't understand why Mommy can't get preg. She asks every couple of months if its "our" turn for a baby yet. Oh, and she wants to be sure I get a girl... not a boy! lol!! She doesn't understand that Momma just wants a baby, doesn't matter what it is!!

My Dh doesn't understand why i can't just be happy w/ the child we have. I am extremely happy w/ my DD, but I just don't feel like our family is complete! But if I can't get preg again, I will come to terms w/ this... somehow. Will cross that bridge when necessary.

also, I am a Labor and Delivery nurse, so in addition to my own pain each month when I get AF, I get to see all the "incompetent" ppl who get baby after baby that they can't/won't take care of. Its heart breaking and makes no sense!!

I hope we all get our babies soon!!!

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by crystal-mommy

I also have secondary infert. I am 29, Dh is 35, we have a DD who is 5 (will be 6 in april). DD was a big "oops" I found out I was preg w/ her 2 days after we moved into our house. Never DREAMED # 2 would take so long to conceive. We have been trying since DD was 2, so going on almost 4 yrs.

I was dx w/ PCOS about 3 yrs ago and have taken Glucophage ever since. My PCOS sx are minimal now and I do get regular periods... every 28 freakin days... like clock work! I did 2 months of clomid, 6 of femara, and am back on Clomid after taking a break for the holidays. I had lap surgery in July and he "fixed" my adhesions, bladder stuck to uterus, left tube was "hiding" and left ovary was not where it belonged, and endo! Dr says I HAD a reason for not getting preg... but he doesn't know why I have gotten preg since the surg. So the 3 yrs of trying before the surgery- NEVER could have gotten preg on my own.

DD wants a sibling so bad, she doesn't understand why Mommy can't get preg. She asks every couple of months if its "our" turn for a baby yet. Oh, and she wants to be sure I get a girl... not a boy! lol!! She doesn't understand that Momma just wants a baby, doesn't matter what it is!!

My Dh doesn't understand why i can't just be happy w/ the child we have. I am extremely happy w/ my DD, but I just don't feel like our family is complete! But if I can't get preg again, I will come to terms w/ this... somehow. Will cross that bridge when necessary.

also, I am a Labor and Delivery nurse, so in addition to my own pain each month when I get AF, I get to see all the "incompetent" ppl who get baby after baby that they can't/won't take care of. Its heart breaking and makes no sense!!

I hope we all get our babies soon!!!

Oh, wow, 's to you!! How hard to work around babies all the time. I couldn't handle that .

I feel the same way you do - our family is not complete yet, but if I cannot have another baby, I'm sure I'll grieve for awhile, and heal somehow.

[eviesmum]

HI crystal mommy! I can relate to the seeing incompetent parents factor!! I'm a social worker in child protection! Yikes! It is very frusterating to see ppl getting pg without even trying or wanting the child, when good ppl have no control over there fertility.

I read a quote in this book I am reading and it really hit home

"When we look into our babies' faces, they will never have to wonder if they were really wanted. Ours are the children who, no matter how they came to us, will look at their parents and know, from the deepest place in their heart, how much we cherish them, and how we labored to give them life".

Randine Lewis, The infertility Cure

I don't know, but it brought tears to my eyes and is now one of my favorite quotes!!

Good luckt oy ou on your journey, whatever is meant to happen will happen!