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post #121 of 240
When making the decision to close the forums we had to look at the full picture. Increasing our moderation in the forum is certainly something that we considered. But please understand that our moderators work very closely as a team and bringing on a moderator is much like filling a job position. We need to find members that fit certain criteria and have the time and ability to moderate using our guidelines. New moderators often start as ambassadors. Once they become a moderator, they have to go through training and then we usually start them out on smaller forums until they get a feel for how we do things and feel confident to branch on to more challenging forums. Even then, they are often teamed up with more seasoned moderators.

Unfortunately, there was not a simple 'fix' to the problems. We did look at this from many angles and will continue to do so.

I would like to say that I'm very proud of our moderators. They work very hard and pour their hearts into their forums.
post #122 of 240
Wanted to say thanks to the mods for taking on N&CE and Politics while it lasted! I rarely posted in those forums, but often read there.

So what you are talking about is shutting down temporarily and trying to find a way to make it work in some other form? Right?

Or is it a permanent shut-down?
post #123 of 240
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Originally Posted by tinybutterfly View Post
Wanted to say thanks to the mods for taking on N&CE and Politics while it lasted! I rarely posted in those forums, but often read there.

So what you are talking about is shutting down temporarily and trying to find a way to make it work in some other form? Right?

Or is it a permanent shut-down?
We don't know for sure yet.

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post #124 of 240
At this point it is permanent. However, we will keep an open mind and are willing to look into it again in the future.
post #125 of 240
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I am the only mod in N&CE right now. I had admins in there helping me. Which of course, means they can't do their actual job. And even when there were three mods in there, we were often overwhelmed.
Right.

Politics was great because Bethany and I both had a good handle on it together, our time on there was balanced out, and the guidelines, while strict, made for more careful, conscious discourse. Having good teamwork/partnership and member support really made all the difference for us in there.

However, anyone having to go N&CE alone or even together under the stress it was causing sounds really difficult and frustrating for everyone involved.
post #126 of 240
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There are enough moderators right now...it is burnout that is an issue. We can't keep throwing people in there only to have them cycle out in a few weeks because they are burnt out. So, volunteers aren't the problem. The fact that the forum is very hard to mod for long periods of time is the issue.

The forum needs reworking. And maybe rotating mods through it would be one way to deal with the high volume. But the forum needs some attention before we just continue to throw people at it and hope for the best, you know?

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Adina,
At the risk of belaboring my earlier point, given the intensity level and the sheer number in the "majority" on the Politics board --and the firmly entrenched group think-- it's pretty obvious that MDC could have used more Mods in N&CE/P. That would have allowed the Mods to be more proactive, rather than reactive, which left the small handful of regular posters in the minority to fend for themselves.

I realize the Mods are volunteers but at some level this has to be a business decision, not in terms of salary for the Mods and Admins themselves, but perhaps in terms of the time, energy, and effort it would take to bring on new Mods, train them, and make any necessary administrative changes or technical changes (e.g.: giving more people access and authority). Or maybe in terms of investing, one way or the other, in tweaking what is required when the Mods were covering N&CE/P instead of the less draining boards, and then overseeing those changes.

That certainly is MDC's prerogative. But it is inacurrate to say there are enough Mods. That's kind of like saying there are enough nurses overall in a facility that is woefully understaffed on a particularly labor intensive floor.

~Cath
post #127 of 240
While I understand the thought, no number of moderators can really change what is perceived as a majority within a message board forum. We can't tip the scales of thread participant numbers. We can't make members represent themselves. Members have to choose to post. Only then we can moderate what we are given to work with. We can't moderate what isn't posted. We also can't moderate based on what someone *might* think or what *might* happen. We have to take things as they come.



To clarify -- I'm speaking only of moderators here, not administrators. Our roles are different from theirs, and I can't speak for them.
post #128 of 240
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Originally Posted by abimommy View Post
We don't know for sure yet.

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Originally Posted by Jacque Savageau View Post
At this point it is permanent. However, we will keep an open mind and are willing to look into it again in the future.
Thanks for clarifying.

Well, sort of clarifying.

You know...if everyone could bring themselves to be a bit more mature ... ask themselves "What would Mr. Rogers do?"...it might be possible to have spirited, but civil discussions.

I've seen posters who do this very well. They disagree, but are not mean or nasty about it and that is when it becomes educational. I have still learned something. I have learned that not everyone sees things the way I do, that there are other viewpoints, perspectives and experiences out there in the big, wide world. It makes me think. It makes me test what I believe.

When it gets down to a let's get in the mud and sling it and call names, well, I tend to not hear the message because it's drowned in all the pettiness.

Oh, could people post in the thread titles in N&CE ( if it comes back) a vague description and "disturbing?" Maybe that would help people decide whether or not they want to click on the link.

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post #129 of 240
I have a suggestion that may or may not have been already brought up. What if the access to N&CE is restircted to members with over 1000 posts and who have had limited "demerits" (requests to remove negative comments)?

I think by restricting it to our members who have been on MDC for a long time, we can keep things on a smaller scale with less of a chance for trolls, new members who may not be too familiar with the UA, etc?
post #130 of 240
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Oh, could people post in the thread titles in N&CE ( if it comes back) a vague description and "disturbing?" Maybe that would help people decide whether or not they want to click on the link.

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We have had a sticky requesting people tag their threads in news with disturbing or graphic since 2006
post #131 of 240
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I have a suggestion that may or may not have been already brought up. What if the access to N&CE is restircted to members with over 1000 posts and who have had limited "demerits" (requests to remove negative comments)?

I think by restricting it to our members who have been on MDC for a long time, we can keep things on a smaller scale with less of a chance for trolls, new members who may not be too familiar with the UA, etc?
Since "demerits" are accumulative over the years.. some of us with high post counts would still be banned.
post #132 of 240
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Since "demerits" are accumulative over the years.. some of us with high post counts would still be banned.

and it's all so subjective anyhow. I see people breaking the ua all the time, but unless someone wants to tattle on them, they won't get a demerit.
post #133 of 240
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Since "demerits" are accumulative over the years.. some of us with high post counts would still be banned.
I didn't think of that....but maybe people with say over 2000 posts would be immune from the demerits...?
post #134 of 240
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We have had a sticky requesting people tag their threads in news with disturbing or graphic since 2006
Thanks, Arduinna. I had no idea.

I've never started a thread in there, so never noticed the sticky.
post #135 of 240
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Adina,
At the risk of belaboring my earlier point, given the intensity level and the sheer number in the "majority" on the Politics board --and the firmly entrenched group think-- it's pretty obvious that MDC could have used more Mods in N&CE/P. That would have allowed the Mods to be more proactive, rather than reactive, which left the small handful of regular posters in the minority to fend for themselves.


~Cath
And this is one of the issues. Because many of us held similar perspectives--although often for very different reasons--it was assumed and asserted often that we were not thinking for ourselves. Even when we explained our individual views and clarified our very individual reasons for those views, the assertion continued. That kind of hostility is dismissive and can destroy real debate. The implication behind it is clear. I do hold very strong opinions, but they are mine, not some imagined group's.

Also, while many have claimed that the forum had a liberal bias, others felt it leaned to the far right. I think that was often about perspective and perhaps the sometimes unfortunate timing of decisions that affected the board.
post #136 of 240
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I didn't think of that....but maybe people with say over 2000 posts would be immune from the demerits...?
post #137 of 240
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And this is one of the issues. Because many of us held similar perspectives--although often for very different reasons--it was assumed and asserted often that we were not thinking for ourselves. Even when we explained our individual views and clarified our very individual reasons for those views, the assertion continued. That kind of hostility is dismissive and can destroy real debate. The implication behind it is clear. I do hold very strong opinions, but they are mine, not some imagined group's.

Also, while many have claimed that the forum had a liberal bias, others felt it leaned to the far right. I think that was often about perspective and perhaps the sometimes unfortunate timing of decisions that affected the board.
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Pass the Koolaid!
post #138 of 240
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At the risk of belaboring my earlier point, given the intensity level and the sheer number in the "majority" on the Politics board --and the firmly entrenched group think-- it's pretty obvious that MDC could have used more Mods in N&CE/P. That would have allowed the Mods to be more proactive, rather than reactive, which left the small handful of regular posters in the minority to fend for themselves.

I realize the Mods are volunteers but at some level this has to be a business decision, not in terms of salary for the Mods and Admins themselves, but perhaps in terms of the time, energy, and effort it would take to bring on new Mods, train them, and make any necessary administrative changes or technical changes (e.g.: giving more people access and authority). Or maybe in terms of investing, one way or the other, in tweaking what is required when the Mods were covering N&CE/P instead of the less draining boards, and then overseeing those changes.

That certainly is MDC's prerogative. But it is inacurrate to say there are enough Mods. That's kind of like saying there are enough nurses overall in a facility that is woefully understaffed on a particularly labor intensive floor.
Again, the problem is with the way the forum is conducted. More mods would have created different issues, not calm peaceful solutions. For every mod that is added that is one more person that must be communicated with prior to doing things, lest we all manage to PM the same person at the same time. There is a learning curve here, and just adding people to the forum isn't going to clear it all up. We have tried that before.

No one can change the balance of who posts in the forums, other than the posters themselves. Our job is not to recruit even amounts of people from both sides of every issue to have a conversation. The bottom line is that if people are posting within the UA, they are free to post, and people are free to refute, respond and discuss right back.
post #139 of 240
1) I really appreciate the hard work the moderators put in to running the MDC boards. You ladies are amazing and a big part of what makes it an exceptionally nice place to be, learn, discuss, share, learn, give and receive help, give and receive support, learn and just chill.

2) I'm disappointed that the Politics forum has been removed.

3) I hope a solution is discovered that fascilitates the return of the Politics and the N&CE forums.

4) I really appreciate the hard work the moderators put into running the boards!
post #140 of 240
[QUOTE=journeymom;13047239]1) I really appreciate the hard work the moderators put in to running the MDC boards. You ladies are amazing and a big part of what makes it an exceptionally nice place to be, learn, discuss, share, learn, give and receive help, give and receive support, learn and just chill.
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The mods do work hard. YAY Mods!

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2) I'm disappointed that the Politics forum has been removed.
Us too.

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3) I hope a solution is discovered that fascilitates the return of the Politics and the N&CE forums.
They are not coming back as is, hopefully there is a solution that will make people happy.

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4) I really appreciate the hard work the moderators put into running the boards!
Yay mods!
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