Could we move the Israeli War threads into Politics? - Page 3

[Code Name Mama]

Originally Posted by Moon Faerie

If anyone can point me to somewhere that does still allow news and political talk that's not super mainstream, I'd appreciate it.

me too please, i just posted a thread in TAO asking the same thing but am not sure if it will get through

[Ziggysmama]

How exactly can one parent or mother effectively without a working knowledge of the world around you? The governments that rule us? The war and famine happening throughout the world? The disasters and tragedies? The breakthroughs in science and the arts? The controversies that spark dinner time conversation and make us think?

Putting on blinders to what is happening throughout the world and in your own backyard can only lead to ignorance and pain.

I understand that there are plenty of other places to get your news digest, but I think this decision is a heinous one and insulting to boot. I think treating a bunch of women and parents as school children is frightful and one can only wonder if we are being put in our 'rightful place'?

[Arduinna]

Originally Posted by Ziggysmama

I think treating a bunch of women and parents as school children is frightful and one can only wonder if we are being put in our 'rightful place'?

seriously, if people acted like adults and followed the UA then this never would have become an issue. The problem was created by the membership by not following the UA. I can't blame the mods and admins for not wanting to spend all their time dealing with the mess.

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by Arduinna

I just wanted to post thanking the admins and moderators for all their work over the years in the War and Politics, News and Current Events and the Politics forums. Thanks for all the hard work trying to keep everyone in line. I hope the decision to close the forums results in more harmony amongest the membership at large and across the other forums.

I hope so too.

This wasn't something we wanted to do to be honest.


And it is kind of strange that you and I are posting on this because just a few years ago it was you and I pming one another late one night talking about a Politics forum and how cool that would be and how fun.

This has been an amazing journey with all of you.

I started modding the political forums around 2003 or so and I don't think I can express how much they have meant to me over the years.

This wasn't something that anyone wanted to do. A lot of us care deeply about those forums, too deeply if anything. We haven't really had the manpower to moderate the forum in its current form for several months now.

W&P was closed several years ago due to the sheer volume and now there are two forums instead of just one.

There has been a lot of midnight oil burned trying to keep things going until inauguration and the mods deserve a lot of credit.

We don't have the capabilities to keep the forums going like they are. Before the 100 days we will look at it again. I won't make any promises but we need time to get caught up on other things.

Thanks.

[Ziggysmama]

I dont think its quite a big of a mess as everyone is making it out to be. I also understand that not everyone in the moderator world is happy about this desicion.

Seriously, how embarrassing for the members here when world spread throughout the internet that one of the largest groups of women and parents on the web are no longer allowed to discuss real issues.

We are not allowed to talk about politics or news unrelated to celebrities or breastfeeding, does that not bother anyone else?

[littleaugustbaby]

If it's a manpower issue, why not recruit more mods? I'm sure that there would be people willing to help.

[talk de jour]

Originally Posted by Arduinna

seriously, if people acted like adults and followed the UA then this never would have become an issue. The problem was created by the membership by not following the UA. I can't blame the mods and admins for not wanting to spend all their time dealing with the mess.

Or, perhaps, overmoderation is not the solution. I think we're all adults and are more than aware of how to debate and aware of how we should not let random people on the internet hurt our feelings to the degree that we need someone stepping up and punishing them for it. : N&CE is a posts-required forum, IIRC... members ought to be able to figure out how to handle themselves there.

[JessicaS]

I don't think anyone in the moderator world is happy. I am actually quite upset.

Those of us who have been in those boards are very possessive and fierce over them. Just ask the current mods.

My babies!!

[talk de jour]

Originally Posted by abimommy

I hope so too.

This wasn't something we wanted to do to be honest.


And it is kind of strange that you and I are posting on this because just a few years ago it was you and I pming one another late one night talking about a Politics forum and how cool that would be and how fun.

This has been an amazing journey with all of you.

I started modding the political forums around 2003 or so and I don't think I can express how much they have meant to me over the years.

This wasn't something that anyone wanted to do. A lot of us care deeply about those forums, too deeply if anything. We haven't really had the manpower to moderate the forum in its current form for several months now.

W&P was closed several years ago due to the sheer volume and now there are two forums instead of just one.

There has been a lot of midnight oil burned trying to keep things going until inauguration and the mods deserve a lot of credit.

We don't have the capabilities to keep the forums going like they are. Before the 100 days we will look at it again. I won't make any promises but we need time to get caught up on other things.

Thanks.

Abimommy, moderators are volunteers, correct?

If so, I don't see the objection to recruiting more.

[vbactivist]

I am disappointed as well. I will miss the thoughtful posts by both umsami and merpk regarding the gaza crisis. I am a die hard conservative, but there were plenty of times that I rethougth my posistion because someone I repsected from other forums said something that caused me to.

[Maeve]

I would love a link to someplace I could go as well. I have to say I am far more upset about this than I expected to be. I've learned a lot on those forums and they were some of my most visited. I really don't have anyone everyone else irl (other than hubby) to talk to about news and politics so I greatly enjoyed it. Sometimes I need to discuss things other than my kids, inlaws, or fluff.
And it really didn't strike me as being that much of a mess (well, a bit around the election but otherwise...).
Sadly, I doubt I will be on quite as much and I'm glad I didn't get the paid subscription I was considering.

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by talk de jour

Abimommy, moderators are volunteers, correct?

If so, I don't see the objection to recruiting more.

Oh Sorry, I said "in its current form"

We would need to work on it and we have a lot of other projects that are sitting on the back burner and need to be completed.


I think we could all use a break and to just sit down and really think long and hard about a solution and whether or not there is a solution. If people do have solutions, feel free to pm an admin, we'll look at it.


We do actually need people to be nice, overmoderation in there isn't even possible because people cannot keep up with the blatant UAVs.

[Liquesce]

I'm curious why a system in which closed threads were simply closed, not reviewed with the intent to try to reopen, wasn't possible to try to lessen moderator load (or simply stress)? Or why the infractions/suspensions system wasn't given more time?

I'm really going to miss the closed forums, too.

[lotusdebi]

I'm very upset about this decision. I can't find the words to express exactly how much and why, but many other posters have already said much of what I'm feeling.

And, may I point out that I've read and posted here at MDC - largely in the news forums - for over six years now, and I have been very good at following the UA for the past few years. I get a lot out of those forums, and I don't see why I - and others like me - should be penalized for the actions of others.

[Moon Faerie]

Can you block people from certain forums? If so, and if (when? *fingers crossed*) it comes back, couldn't you just block access for people that continue to violate the UA? Maybe that's been tried. *shrugs*

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by Liquesce

I'm curious why a system in which closed threads were simply closed, not reviewed with the intent to try to reopen, wasn't possible to try to lessen moderator load (or simply stress)? Or why the infractions/suspensions system wasn't given more time?

I'm really going to miss the closed forums, too.

It was closed after the election and over the holidays.

ETA: I think I misunderstood.

If a thread was never reopened then it was figured that it was going to be impossible to get people to stop UAVing on the thread OR that the mod simply was so behind they never managed to get it reviewed and reopened.

[Arduinna]

Originally Posted by talk de jour

Or, perhaps, overmoderation is not the solution. I think we're all adults and are more than aware of how to debate and aware of how we should not let random people on the internet hurt our feelings to the degree that we need someone stepping up and punishing them for it. : N&CE is a posts-required forum, IIRC... members ought to be able to figure out how to handle themselves there.

A UA violation is a UA violation you can't call that over moderation. ITA that users "should" be able to figure out how to handle themselves. If they had their wouldn't have been so many locked threads.

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by Moon Faerie

Can you block people from certain forums? If so, and if (when? *fingers crossed*) it comes back, couldn't you just block access for people that continue to violate the UA? Maybe that's been tried. *shrugs*

We have always done forum suspensions for repeat issues.

[Liquesce]

Originally Posted by abimommy

It was closed after the election and over the holidays.

I know. I meant closing individual threads permanently by default and not even trying to edit, not closing whole forums to catch up.

[Moon Faerie]

Originally Posted by abimommy

We have always done forum suspensions for repeat issues.

Oh well never mind then.

I'm really really bummed about this. Surprisingly so. If you'd told me even 2 years ago, Id care, I'd have thought you were crazy. I'll have to think about if it's even worth sticking around anymore.