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[Serenyd]

I don't think the measles is anymore serious than the chickenpox. There is a risk of complications, yes. And yes, the whole show was propaganda designed to scare the pants off parents who haven't vaxed. Don't tell me the drug companies/cdc had NOTHING to do with it. The dialogue was just a little too pat.

[Summertime Mommy]

I stopped watching after the dr vaced the kid against the mom's will. I would sue the crap out of that dr. What happened afterthat? Did the mom take any type of action, or did she suddenly "see the error of her ways?"

[Mom2J]

I kept watching b/c I wanted to see what they would do to Cooper for vax'ing the boy. They did NOTHING! The mom said she'd sue if anything happened, which of course it didn't in 5 mins or so that they showed after the fact. Meanwhile, the child with measles dies, and mom is shown hugging the other boys, with a grateful look on her face.

So yeah, I would say the "she saw the error of her ways" is implied.

[MarineMommy]

Carriebft: THis is the post i was talking about. I appreciate your info though.

Private Practice Speaks for CDC

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I'm in shock after watching tonight's episode of Private Practice. It's about a child bringing measles into a medical clinic. Parents who don't vaccinate are called child abusers and portrayed as pariahs. Measles is shown to be a serious disease, and in the episode a child dies from measles, something that is rare, happening once in every 5000 cases. Being that the total number of US measles cases in 2007 was 42, the likelihood of seeing a measles death is extremely rare, especially for school-aged children. A doctor forcibly vaccinates the child's brother for measles in the show, against the will of his mother. One of the parents who doesn't vaccinate is dowdy and slightly hysterical; the other a drug addict. The show breeds a dangerously vicious intolerance for freedom on conscience and acts as a mouthpiece for the CDC. Is it any coincidence that the CDC is holding a meeting in Ashland, Oregon this Saturday because 30% of the kindergartners are not vaccinated for measles. This topic has been all over MSNBC. An article in Discover said that the number of measles cases had dramatically risen from 2007 to 2008 and was at its highest level in more than a decade. According to the CDC, 63 of the 131 new cases of measles from January to July 2008 were among those unvaccinated. The majority of the cases (68), however were among those vaccinated. That wasn't mentioned in the article and is never addressed. It just doesn't make sense that unvaccinated kids put vaccinated kids at risk as long as the vaccines themselves are effective. I find it particularly amusing, if it weren't so tragic, that the show was about measles, a mild disease that my friends and I all had as children. The portrayal of the disease in the show is far from the truth. When will the CDC learn that they will not persuade intelligent parents with fear and awe, but only when they acknowledge the validity of our concerns?

[Scattershoot]

99% of these cases came from 3 outbreaks which can all be traced to unvaccinated status.

Have you ever seen the movie And The Band Played On? At the time, it was alleged to be based on fact. They found "patient zero" who supposedly got the AIDS ball rolling in the U.S. His name was Gaetan Dugas. The CDC tracked it all back to him, and they had some great flow charts in the movie showing how Dugas spread it. It was all very believable. Unfortunately, it has been completely discredited many years after the fact.

The question to ask is, "Does the CDC have any motive at all to track measles outbreaks back to unvaccinated children?" And then do they have any motive to spread that news via their media channels and doctors?

I think there is certainly a possibility that an unvaxed child spread the measles to other children because that it normal and the measles and chicken pox and mumps and rubella are all normal. I know this may sound twisted to some, but those keeping the measles around are in a sense saving the remnant. Those who are genetically modifying our world without any understanding at all of what the consequences might be are the ones to fear. The genetic code is full of unknowns.

My point is, people can say or write whatever they want. Give that person a title and all of a sudden they have instant credibility as an authority. In my experience, very few people actually have any idea at all what they are talking about, especially medical authorities. Numbers are the easiest thing in the world to manipulate.

The CDC also plays all kinds of tricks when it comes to determining vax status. They would much rather prefer to mark "unknown" status then vaxed when following an "outbreak" of measles. They don't want people to lose faith in their products. Even if a lot of this occurs on mass unconscious level within the agency.

Measles is almost completely harmless and arguably an important developmental stage. When I studied under an herbalist and learned aspects of the Eastern health model, I was told by many sources that measles is not something to fear but rather embrace because of the emotional and physical maturation that occurs as a result of the condition.

[Jen78fl]

Thanks everyone. I now realize just how ridiculous this episode was.. I cant believe I was worrying for even a second about choosing not to vaccinate my daughter... The small amount of measles cases that there are now doesnt even BEGIN TO COMPARE to the amount of autism cases. 1 in 150 kids, 1 in 90 boys... But of course, lets not even consider that vaccines could have had anything to do with it! My 5 year old son has autism.. My 6 month old daughter seems neurotypical.. She is a completely different baby than my son was, she babbles, looks at you in the eyes, always wants attention... My son didnt do these things as a baby.. And guess what the difference is??? He was vaccinated and she wasnt! So that says it all to me right there... Anyway I could go on and on about this. Its the one subject that gets me upset more than anything! But I dont think things are ever going to change because the drug companies will always have control with all their money. Its a very sad situation right now

[k9sarchik]

I posted this in the other thread:

Looks like the show is floundering. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,7926618.story

So maybe ABC will cast it away.

I'm assuming that this particular episode was made in response to the Eli Stone show that had a little boy come down with Autism after his MMR vaccine, and the family won the case.

Also take into consideration, TV shows and NEWS want ratings!! They love getting people all excited and shock sells! They don't care if what they have on TV is truthful or exaggerated. Heck, the general public thinks that these actors know how to practice medicine.

[Valrock]

yup so done with this show now. What idiots... The whole time I watched it all I could think was "wow... this is a huge commercial for Merk!!"

Disgusting!

[2bluefish]

After seeing this, I wouldn't be at all shocked to discover the drug companies paid them to make this episode.

[claddaghmom]

Originally Posted by neetling

I couldn't believe it when he vaccinated the other son while the mom was yelling NO!

OMGsh this is one of my worst nightmares. After that incident in court where the parents were physically held while the children were vaccinated against their will, I've had nightmares of this. Scares the cr@p out of me.

I can just imagine a bunch of sheeple watching this show and nodding their heads "good job doctor" :

[morganlefay]

Ugh, I don't usually watch this show but I was flipping through channels and saw it was about vaccination. Wow--how offensive. Just another manifestation of our fear-mongering, technocratic society--don't think for yourself and examine all evidence clearly, exercising your right as a parent to decide what's best for your child--let the good-looking doctors make the decisions, since they are totally unbiased and pharmaceuticals are the panacea of our brave new world. Only drug addicts, cooky conspiracy theorists, and poorly-dressed people ruled by their emotions would choose not to vaccinate their children! Don't be like them!

Oh, and don't get me started on the irony of the preachiness of a show that implicitly promotes casual sex . . . ok I'm done.

[Mal85]

I'm actually a fan of the show. I like it better than Grey's Anatomy. But once the episode started, I looked at my husband and said I'm going to be angry if this episode turns into a pro-vaccination ad campaign. Which is exactly what happened. Luckily, I've done my research enough to know that this episode blew things WAY out of proportion and there were several facts thrown around that just weren't true. I watched the whole episode and paid little attention to that particular story line, I watched more for the drama of the other story lines going on. I'll continue to watch the show, but am disappointed with the stance this particular episode took. What I liked about the show is that their practice is supposed to be more "holistic", but this episode definitely went a different direction.

[MissinNYC]

My 5 year old son has autism.. My 6 month old daughter seems neurotypical.. She is a completely different baby than my son was, she babbles, looks at you in the eyes, always wants attention... My son didnt do these things as a baby.. And guess what the difference is??? He was vaccinated and she wasnt! So that says it all to me right there..

That's ridiculous logic. And it's the same type of logic that people use to argue against BFing. They say, "Oh, I BFed my son and he's always sick, but I FFed my DD, and she's healthy as a horse! BFing doesn't do anything!" Anecdotes have nothing to do with evidence, as sorry as I am for your son's condition.

[Charliemae]

Originally Posted by elvenom

So the question I ask myself now is are the chances of him getting complications from measles greater than the chances of him experiencing life altering side effects from the vaccine? I am not sure, and I am doing my research. Because I remember the feeling I had when he was sick with pneumonia and I just cringe. He was nowhere near close to death, but for the short time that we did not know what it was, it was pure agony. And I guess part of me is willing to take the chance with the vaccine if it means he is spared that level of sickness. I am not sure..just thinking out loud.

This is why it is SO important to research the illnesses and not just the vaccines. The sentence I bolded is what I believe is at the center of the Vax debate. Someone else already said it on this thread. It's about what level of risk (or what set of risks) you're more comfortable with. The best you can do it research both sets of risks and make an informed choice for you and your family.

This episode floored me! I am not por/anti vax so much as pro information. The whole show was full of misinformation and fear. I don't know if I'm more upset about the way it was presented, or that fact that so many people will take it at face value without doing any personal research.

[angelachristin]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

Those who are genetically modifying our world without any understanding at all of what the consequences might be are the ones to fear. The genetic code is full of unknowns.

I could not agree more. They are the real danger, not unvaccinated children, for heaven's sake!

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by MarineMommy

Carriebft: THis is the post i was talking about. I appreciate your info though.

Private Practice Speaks for CDC

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I'm in shock after watching tonight's episode of Private Practice. It's about a child bringing measles into a medical clinic. Parents who don't vaccinate are called child abusers and portrayed as pariahs. Measles is shown to be a serious disease, and in the episode a child dies from measles, something that is rare, happening once in every 5000 cases. Being that the total number of US measles cases in 2007 was 42, the likelihood of seeing a measles death is extremely rare, especially for school-aged children. A doctor forcibly vaccinates the child's brother for measles in the show, against the will of his mother. One of the parents who doesn't vaccinate is dowdy and slightly hysterical; the other a drug addict. The show breeds a dangerously vicious intolerance for freedom on conscience and acts as a mouthpiece for the CDC. Is it any coincidence that the CDC is holding a meeting in Ashland, Oregon this Saturday because 30% of the kindergartners are not vaccinated for measles. This topic has been all over MSNBC. An article in Discover said that the number of measles cases had dramatically risen from 2007 to 2008 and was at its highest level in more than a decade. According to the CDC, 63 of the 131 new cases of measles from January to July 2008 were among those unvaccinated. The majority of the cases (68), however were among those vaccinated. That wasn't mentioned in the article and is never addressed. It just doesn't make sense that unvaccinated kids put vaccinated kids at risk as long as the vaccines themselves are effective. I find it particularly amusing, if it weren't so tragic, that the show was about measles, a mild disease that my friends and I all had as children. The portrayal of the disease in the show is far from the truth. When will the CDC learn that they will not persuade intelligent parents with fear and awe, but only when they acknowledge the validity of our concerns?

Yeah, the information is incorrect for sure. The link I gave from the CDC gives the actual stats.

[carriebft]

The question to ask is, "Does the CDC have any motive at all to track measles outbreaks back to unvaccinated children?" And then do they have any motive to spread that news via their media channels and doctors?

The San Diego outbreak, for example, came from an unvaccinated baby who traveled to an area of measles outbreak in switzerland. It was a very obvious connection and even the family came out and talked about it. Unless it's a pretty elaborate cover up....

These measles cases were pretty much all tracked back to foreign cases entering via and infecting unvaccinated population/pockets.

Make of that what you will, but those are the facts

[ryansma]

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[nichole]

Originally Posted by MissinNYC

That's ridiculous logic. And it's the same type of logic that people use to argue against BFing. They say, "Oh, I BFed my son and he's always sick, but I FFed my DD, and she's healthy as a horse! BFing doesn't do anything!" Anecdotes have nothing to do with evidence, as sorry as I am for your son's condition.

I guess you can say anecdotes don't mean anything, but if you are the parent and you see your child change days after their vaccine, actually regressing in their milestones, what are you supposed to think? How many moms will it take to have this "anecdote" before they pay attention to it? Some people have it on video, their child before mmr and after. It was in mothering magazine.

So anyway, i think calling it ridiculous logic is kinda hurtful. Maybe it isn't logical, but it is what she knows from living her life, and I wish we could all just word things a little kinder.

[Marnica]

Back to the Private Practice episode


Lets take a look at the other (more realistic IMO) view of the measles.

http://www.blinkx.com/video/the-brad...XO3MhdzsNbPFqQ