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post #81 of 182
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Originally Posted by SquishyBuggles View Post
I'm going to vote on Misquoting the Bible
I'm going to second this -- but I have to see if I can get it from the library, and I will try my hardest to keep up with you guys!! What do you think about doing a chapter a week type thing? Like I said, my first priority right now is reading birthing books, but i would hate to miss out on a discussion like this. These books sound great.
post #82 of 182
I third this-Misquoting Jesus.:lets dig in
post #83 of 182
I've read Misquoting Jesus but I'd love to discuss it. I think a chapter a week sounds good. I have other reading I'm trying to keep up with.

Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism and Born of Woman also sound good. Both are by Spong. I've only read his memoir so I'd like to learn more about his theology.

Off to the library website.
post #84 of 182
Should we keep going with the Frontline series? I haven't posted on it for a while. We could start a new thread or just discuss it here on this thread.
post #85 of 182
Thread Starter 
Cool, they have it at my library, and there were tons in the library system, so I would guess you can get it, Mama Pisces. We understand your priority is birthing books, and we won't send you to the back of the class if you don't keep up. Ha ha ha! I have a nine month old, and I get to read IF she falls asleep at night before I run out of steam!

Are we going for it or waiting for a few more votes?

::: I'm looking forward to this!
post #86 of 182
Tons at my library too.
post #87 of 182
Thread Starter 
Hi Suzukimom, I was kind of waiting for you to chime in, and as it turns out we were posting at the exact same time! Not surprising, since we read all the same books!!!

I will check out the next segments when I have a moment!! I'm learning how to build a website, too, so that's taking some time! Fun!
post #88 of 182
Misquoting Jesus sounds good to me. I don't think my library does have it (very small library and I don't remember seeing it), but I'll check. I think I'll just order it, so I don't have to worry about getting it back.

Thanks for the compiled list -- that's awesome. Now I have a list to draw from.
post #89 of 182
Can we start a week from Monday to give some of us time to get it and read the first chapter? My library is on the small side and they very rarely have any books I inquire about. I'll drive to another library if I have to and do my best to get it by next week.
post #90 of 182
Shocker! My library does have it -- just checked. Awesome.
post #91 of 182
We were posting at the same time -- HaHa! That sounds like a good idea to me.
post #92 of 182
Actually I just checked their site(didn't even know they had one!) and it says they have 6 or 7 copies! Wonders never cease! I'll probably get it Friday and start reading over the weekend.
post #93 of 182
lol - get off my wavelength, Manonash. We're posting very similar things at almost the exact same time.
post #94 of 182
My SIL just sent me Affluenza (the book, not the movie) and I read the whole thing yesterday and last night.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting it here, but for anyone who has read it... how cool is it that they quote all kinds of scripture in support of a simpler lifestyle.

"It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle", and "Give me neither poverty nor riches" were both quoted, but my favorite part was when they quoted a minister who said, "Jesus said it was impossible to serve both God and Mammon. Not tough, not tricky, not a hard road, but impossible."

It was just really good.
post #95 of 182
I'm not sure if my library has it, but I'm not holding my breath. Tiny library! I will call and check and if they don't have it I'll order it today! Can't wait to dig in and dicuss! A chapter per week sounds great to me.
post #96 of 182
If you're local library doesn't have it, try the library system. My copy will be transferred from another branch.
post #97 of 182
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Originally Posted by Suzukimom View Post
If you're local library doesn't have it, try the library system. My copy will be transferred from another branch.
Yeah, we don't have anything quite so fancy as library transfers! Hah! We are out in the middle of nowhere. My library lady said they 'don't have anything like that' at the library...I'll check the next closest one, it's not too far away. If THEY don't have it I'll order a copy!
post #98 of 182
Let's introduce ourselves. My name is Carol. I've been married to my husband for 22 years. I'm a mom to two teenagers. Ds will 18 on the 31st of this month. Dd is 15. They are great kids. We live in NY state in a city which is strongly Catholic.

I grew up as a Preacher's kid - My father was a Presbyterian minister. Once I grew up and moved away, I attended a Presbyterian church where I met my husband. Somehow we ended up attending a very conservative Presbyterian church but at the time I appreciated going to all the Bible Studies and events the church offered. The folks there weren't happy with the minister and made life miserable for him until he left. During that time, we changed churches. The new church, a Wesleyan church, was growing rapidly and became a mega church in a couple years. These last two churches were very conservative, believed that unless you accepted Jesus as your personal savior you would be condemned to hell.

It wasn't until my father died a couple years ago that I started to question the teachings of the conservative evangelical church. When people asked me if my father was saved, I did a lot of soul searching. I met someone on a forum who suggested I read If Grace is True then Everyone Will be Saved by Philip Gulley. Wow, this book opened my heart and mind! I've been transforming, liberated from a cocoon of insular thinking and self righteousness. There is no question that my father is "saved." I don't even worry about anyone's eternal life - I just want to help people have a fulfilled life on earth.

Funny, my father started to move away from the institutional church when he was around my age. He left the ministry and became a computer programmer. He started reading books by Crossan, Borg, and Spong. I questioned his faith, only because my churches were very limited in their view of Christianity and taught a very rigid view of salvation. Now that he is gone I wish I had him to discuss my newfound views.

I'm so happy to be free from religious dogma. I long for community and haven't figured out how to find it now that we are churchless. We haven't attended for the last couple months.

Well, that's enough about me. Thanks for reading and I'm so glad to have found this online community.
post #99 of 182
Hi Carol!! Thanks for sharing your story. I love intros and getting to know other like-minded mamas.

My name is Mia, I have been married just over 2 years to my husband, but have been with him for 10. Together we have a 2 yo ds(turning 3 in May), and another little bean that's due in August. We are from Florida but moved to GA when my ds was 7 months old to be closer to my in-laws, since we had no family where we were living in central Florida and had no desire to return to South Florida, where my mom lives. So, here I am, in the smack middle of the Southern Baptist Bible Belt. Here is my intro from page 3 if anyone missed it:


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Originally Posted by mama*pisces View Post
Hey everyone! I really have to go to bed in a minute, but I had to pop in and say that I think I belong in here!

I have been so confused lately! A bit of history: I was sort of raised Catholic - that's what my mom's side of the family is, anyway. But then I started going to my childhood best friend's Baptist Church when I was 9 or 10, and I liked that cuz it was a lot more fun. But, I never got saved - just didn't see a need to, I guess? IDK - fast forward to my 20's, when I met my now husband....we spent many years working in the bar/club scene, and didn't care about much of anything else except making money and partying. (during this time is when I read Conversations with God, which I highly recommend) Then, as I was nearing 30, we got pregnant for the first time, resulting in our now 2 yo ds -- since then we've married, moved to a new state.....and then something happened last year which has forever changed our lives. My step-son, my husband's first child(18 yrs old), was killed in a tragic car accident. Devastating, to say the least. The only thing that has been helping my husband cope is going to church - I think he felt that it was what his son would have wanted, as his son was very active at his Baptist Church in Florida. So, we started attending my in-laws Christian Church, which is right near us. Just a few months ago, my husband got saved - it has all done him a world of good, for the most part. I went along with it in the beginning because I felt that I needed to be there to support him - going to church was his way of grieving in a way, and of course I needed to be there for him.

But, now I feel like a big FAKE. I don't believe what most other Christians believe, and I refuse to get saved -- because I believe with all my heart that God and Jesus love us all unconditionally - we are ALL God's children, whether we are saved, queer, murderers, whatever. We are all here for a purpose and we all have consequences to experience due to the choices we make, either in this life or the next(i also believe in reincarnation). I just don't buy into the whole "You must be saved to get into heaven" thing. I do believe that Jesus was here on earth, but I believe that he came here to show us "Christ-consciousness" - to show us what we can all potentially do. So I think trying to be Christ-like is a good thing - not really sure where I stand on the Bible though. I think a lot of it is metaphorical, though I just can't figure out why there are quite a few passages that seem to advocate spanking of children - it makes me angry that so many people take these passages literally, but at the same time, I can't really figure out what they are supposed to mean if not to advocate spanking. Obviously there is a lot more to it than just those passages - but I just can't take it as the absolute "Word of God" when a lot of it was written by man(who is generally driven by ego), and translated who knows how many times. So I've been feeling very disheartened, and really like I don't belong in the Christian Church, even though I do believe in Jesus.

But now of course, my husband is very excited about his new faith, so we wil certainly have a conflict of interests if I tell him I want to check out another religion entirely! Oh that will not go over well - UU sounds interesting, though I don't know if I could take Christ totally out of the equation. I would LOVE to attend a church that has the option of a meditation time and that recognizes the Earth as holy, and that discusses the Earth's present state of emergency and ways we can honor her.

Anyway, sorry for the long post and autobiography. I've been thinking a lot about this lately and have been feeling a little lost. Thanks for starting this thread!
I have long since considered myself 'spiritual but not religious', but have had no routine way of practicing my spirituality. Now that my ds is getting bigger and I have another one on the way, I feel like I need to provide my family with a sense of community, belonging, and spiritual education. But, the problem is, I need to feel like I belong there too, which is why I'm really starting to question my 'status' as a Christian. I guess since I haven't been 'saved', I'm technically not, though I do consider myself a follower of Christ. I'm so excited about this book club we're going to do(and definitely picking up the book tomorrow!), because I want to learn more about things that he truly did and said, and I don't think that the Bible fully portrays that.

So yeah, there's my intro, revised.
post #100 of 182
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Just because I happen to have an unread copy of Misquoting Jesus handy
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