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post #81 of 97
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post

And chlobo--I've got the same adrenal fatigue and hypo, worse a couple years ago, and I remember how horrible I felt, how it was so hard to get stuff done and figure stuff out. It seems like it takes a long time to heal enough to start feeling better.
Yuck. I didn't know you had hypo, chlobo. I have Hashimoto's, dx'd just over a year ago now.
It does seem to take *so long* to start feeling better.
post #82 of 97
Tanya, Fess up your secrets. What helped you feel better?

Jackie - I haven't been dxed. I did the iodine test & it disappeared after less than 7 hours so I presume I'm hypo. Plus I filled out a hypo questionnaire & didn't do so well on it. lol.
post #83 of 97
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
I sympathize with that thought.
You smear it on the virgin chicken. (Seriously though, I have no idea. I'm going to sit back and learn. )
Oh my gosh, you had to drag out the virgin chicken, didn't you! Now, I'm going to be giggling about it all day
post #84 of 97
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post

Jackie - I haven't been dxed. I did the iodine test & it disappeared after less than 7 hours so I presume I'm hypo. Plus I filled out a hypo questionnaire & didn't do so well on it. lol.
Good enough for a dx to me. IME, doctors are absolutely frickin' clueless in this area.
post #85 of 97
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Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache View Post
Oh my gosh, you had to drag out the virgin chicken, didn't you! Now, I'm going to be giggling about it all day
Good. I drag it out every chance I get lately. It's nice to be able to laugh about something rather than just feeling terrible all the time.
post #86 of 97
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Tanya, Fess up your secrets. What helped you feel better?
Popping pills! I feel like a pharmacy at times--it used to be more pills, but really, if you add up what I've taken in the past few years, wow, just wow. These days I'm only taking about 15 per day (total, not types).

If you can get something for adrenal support (I use Allergy Research Group, but there are tons of kinds, this is just from my HCP--she's in Iowa, I don't think anybody looking is nearby, but if anybody wants a rec, PM me), then you can supp vitamins and minerals to provide the raw materials for your thyroid (I did this backwards, and I didn't have really bad results, but next time I'd do better), and do all that lifestyle stuff for adrenal support (no caffeine, early to bed, like that). For me, doing high-dose vit/min supps for my thyroid made me feel significantly better in about 2 weeks (my energy improved and I could think a lot clearer), and that would've been healthier if I'd been on adrenal supps.

But in terms of really feeling good (vs less bad), that's recent, say since September, which was 6 months after I got my fillings out (obviously weaned kiddo #2 beforehand). I had a big turnaround in basic happiness level in September, it was weird, but nice--lots of people with amalgam problems have an up period, then a down one after amalgam removal, and then around 6 months, steady, consistent improvement happens. That's been the biggest improvement--there was slow, steady improvement while I was nursing and I was on some very high-dose vitamins and minerals (Perque brand), and first starting gfcf was a big improvement for me, but it's been since I've been chelating after I got my amalgams out that it feels like all the work is paying off. So, not universally applicable, I realize.
post #87 of 97
cs, did you try any vit ds?
post #88 of 97
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Originally Posted by ellasmama2007 View Post
cs, my ped said he prefers lactating moms to be at around 75, with 50 as the lowest normal. i was 48 after spending a couple months getting tons of fl sun because of the whole vit a thing. i think the range he mentioned to get vit d levels up is 5000-8000 ius daily. he did say the powdered form is fine. i immediately noticed bruising when i started it which seems better now that im trying to inc mt vit k. he didnt have dd tested or recommend supping her because he said that shell get it via bm.
When I was tested last year (11/2007), mine was 30. Went on 2000mg/day of vitamin D3 (Vital Nutrients brand; I think it has corn but none of the other major allergens) and was in the sun all summer with no sunscreen. In September I asked to get retested so I wouldn't have to be on the Vitamin D forever, and I was up to 49 and they said that was fine. But then I asked for the paperwork from my bone density scan which said I had osteopenia (the rheumatologist didn't tell me THAT part). So I figured I'd better keep taking the Vitamin D!! Last spring, the naturopath said I had adrenal fatigue (4.9 for am, which was supposed to be 7-10, and 0.2 at 10pm which was supposed to be less than 1.5, so that one was okay). She put me on Adrecor plus Travacor. The Travacor helped me sleep much better but the other one didn't do a darn thing. So I don't know if that one just wasn't the right one for me; I just didn't believe her that I had it. I also take 2-4 high potency fish oil capsules a day.

I'm ready to give up on finding SA that my kids can have. It's either corn based or citrus based which takes them both out. Unless someone knows another source that I should be looking for. I hate additives and that no one writes what the stuff is REALLY from on their labels.
post #89 of 97
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Originally Posted by ellasmama2007 View Post
cs, did you try any vit ds?
Thanks for reminding me- I keep forgetting to update! I ended up getting the Pure Encapsulations 5000IU capsules. We're on day 3 of the trial, and DD seems to be fine with me taking them! : So I guess I can add pine to our list of safe foods.

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I'm ready to give up on finding SA that my kids can have. It's either corn based or citrus based which takes them both out. Unless someone knows another source that I should be looking for. I hate additives and that no one writes what the stuff is REALLY from on their labels.
Yeah, I don't know of any either. The only non-corn/citrus vitamin C I know of is the TwinLab Allerg-C, but it's calcium citrate, not SA.
post #90 of 97
My homework report for today: vit D supplementation

I don't know who did the comprehensive report that Tanya linked above, but the agenda seems pro-supplementation from the language, persuasive agenda, inclusion of studies considered disreputable by the Cochrane Review standards of double blind, non-interest funded research. It references specific studies of which I have also read quite a few today. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/5/717#R2

Here is the net version:

"A normal serum circulating 25(OH)D concentration in the United States is considered to be > 15 ng/mL (20). Using information from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey a group of researchers concluded that having low levels of vitamin D (<17.8 ng/mL) was independently associated with an increase in all-cause mortality in the general population.[71] One study found an elevated risk of ischaemic heart disease in Southern India in individuals whose vitamin D levels were above 89 ng/mL.[70]

Vitamin D stored in the human body as calcidiol (25-hydroxy-vitamin D) has a large volume of distribution and a half-life of about 20 to 29 days.[16] In healthy individuals, calcidiol levels are normally between 32 to 70 ng/mL (80 to 175 nmol/L). The U.S. Dietary Reference Intake Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) of vitamin D for children and adults is 50 micrograms/day (2,000 IU). Some symptoms of vitamin D toxicity are a result of hypercalcemia (an elevated level of calcium in the blood) caused by increased intestinal calcium absorption. Vitamin D toxicity is known to be a cause of high blood pressure." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#cite_note-PDR-15

I've also read that during stress, we use up about 3000 IU per day.

"The data show that for every 1 µg (40 IU) of vitamin D intake, circulating 25(OH)D increases by 0.28 ng/mL over 5 mo on a given supplemental regimen. Note that a steady state appears to be achieved after {approx}90 d of each dose tested (2, 3).

Thus, doses of 400 IU (10 µg), 1000 IU (25 µg), 4000 IU (100 µg), and 10 000 IU (250 µg) vitamin D/d for 5 mo will result in theoretical increases in circulating concentrations of 2.8, 7.0, 28, and 70 ng 25(OH)D/mL, respectively, all of which values are in the normal range of circulating concentrations according to reference data (20). In the study by Heaney et al (3), not one case of hypercalcemia or hypercalciuria was observed. " (***sample size less than 70).

Mind you, the sample size of most every study I examined was fewer than 200 "healthy people", usually fewer than 70 people in the study, some quit before the end of the study.

Based on this, my recommendation is a MAXIMUM of 2000 IU of vit D3 (cholecalciferol) total intake (check and include multi-vitamin vit D) per day for 90 days and then retest, as "A 0.5-h exposure to the summer sun between 1000 and 1400 in a bathing suit ({approx}3 times the minimal erythemal dose) will initiate the release of {approx}50 000 IU (1.25 mg) of biological vitamin D into the circulation within 24 h of exposure in white persons (25)." (Btw, this naturally acquired vit D is stored for future use.) Varies by race and latitude and cover.

I would not recommend dosing that high on days that one spends a lot of time outside. There are concerns of hypercalcemia and urine calcium excretion, with supplementation; which theoretically could precipitate kidney stones. Personally, I would only recommend supplementing during the October to March time frame, max.

"Food and Nutrition Board guidelines specify 50 µg/d (2000 IU) as the highest vitamin D intake that healthy adults can consume without risking hypercalcemia [it is the upper limit, or the no adverse effect level (NOAEL)].

A prolonged intake of 95 µg (~4000 IU) vitamin D/d is said to be the lowest observed adverse effect level (LOAEL), a dosage that causes hypercalcemia in healthy adults (1). These intake limits have changed little from previous guidelines (2). However, the current guidelines (1) are based on the data of Narang et al (3), who reported that mean serum calcium concentrations were abnormally high in 6 healthy subjects who consumed 95 µg vitamin D/d for 3 mo. More recently, Adams and Lee (4) reported a high urinary calcium-creatinine ratio in 4 patients taking nutritional supplements containing vitamin D2 (ergocalciferol).

Substantial concern has been expressed about the safety of consuming vitamin D at dosages greater than the highest dosage available without prescription (25 µg/d) (1000 IU) (1, 5)."
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full...2b0d9c10eb4a4c

I've also read Dr. Mercola's recommendations: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...u-thought.aspx

And Sally Fallon's perspective: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...fications.html

regarding vit A ratios and supplementation of vit A.






Pat
post #91 of 97
Just thought I'd resurrect this thread to say that I finally found a fish-based vitamin D that has no vitamin A AND -- NO SOY in it!!!

It seems that Solgar must have been listening, because they have what appears to be a new product - Fish-based vitamin D with no vitamin A, and they use safflower oil (instead of the soy oil all the other companies use). It looks like some kind of oil is needed to pull out the naturally occurring vitamin A from the fish oil. They have a 1000 IU capsule and a 400 IU capsule.

So YAY for anyone else who, like me, is sensitive to both lanolin and soy.
post #92 of 97
I use one that is fish oil vit D in olive oil, does that work?

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins...els/18335?at=0
post #93 of 97
I use one that is fish oil vit D in olive oil, does that work?

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins...els/18335?at=0
post #94 of 97
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
So we got the results of DD's bloodwork back yesterday- everything looks good, which is SUCH a relief because it means that she's absorbing nutrients correctly. EXCEPT- her vitamin D is low, which I kind of expected. But it's REALLY low- it's 11.

So.... I'm on the quest for a liquid D supp for me to take (otherwise I would have to take like 10 pills a day). I just assumed that Pure Encapsulations would be a good bet, but I emailed them just to be sure... and this is what I got back (paraphrased):: Can someone tell me WTH there may be cornstarch residue in lanolin?!? Not that we could have used it anyway, since DD's allergic to coconut... And why can't they just say palm/coconut oil on the frickin label so that I didn't have to waste my time writing an email to them?

So now I'm waiting for a response from Rx Vitamins about their Liqui-D3... keeping my fingers crossed. The ped's office has one that's in a sesame seed oil base, and Carlson's has one in coconut oil. WHY OH WHY CAN'T I FIND A VITAMIN WITHOUT A BUNCH OF ALLERGENS ADDED TO IT?!?

Rant over. Give me your best vents about stupid places that allergens don't need to be. (and any liquid D reccs if you have them. )
I don't have time right now to go through all of the posts -- so forgive me if this has already been answered. My son, (who is 3 TODAY!) is also allergic to corn, dairy, soy, eggs, garlic and probably some other things too.

We use the NOW Foods brand vitamin D3. Only the 1,000 mg pills are corn free. They are tiny, and he learned to swallow them really quickly. But you could also pop them and give with a syringe (not sure what they would taste like).

Good luck! And feel free to PM me if you want to talk more about corn allergies,

R
post #95 of 97
Thread Starter 
I totally forgot about this thread!! That was quite a resurrection!

We ended up using the Pure Encapsulations D capsules- I just open them up for DD.
post #96 of 97
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
I use one that is fish oil vit D in olive oil, does that work?

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins...els/18335?at=0
The web page here says it's free of ..."fish...", so that means it's D3 derived from lanolin. No, that won't work for me. But thanks anyway.
post #97 of 97
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
I totally forgot about this thread!! That was quite a resurrection!

We ended up using the Pure Encapsulations D capsules- I just open them up for DD.
Yeah, I think those are derived from lanolin, too. ...the evil sheep!
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