Question for you magickal folk

[verde]

Although I haven't participated in a lot of the discussions, I lurk a lot in this forum. I'm part of a three-woman spiritual study group and we do rituals and magick together. We have an issue I'd like some advice about.

We all know a particularly toxic person who we have all expelled from our lives. She has hurt many people we know but it's all been personal-type hurts i.e. lying, manipulation, cruelty. Most people end up running away from her. (Yes, she does have a personality disorder.)

But now it's gone further. She has focused her pathology on one particular person and may really cause this person LEGAL problems. This person is completely innocent and is seeking legal counsel which is exactly what she needs to do. In other words, this could have truly serious repercussions and it is so unfair and unjust.

I am thinking out loud here and have done nothing yet, but I wonder about the possibility of doing some type of binding spell. Let me be clear of the intent: it is not to punish, it is not revenge, it is a form of prevention to try and stop her from harming anyone else. I also wonder about the ethics of justice spells.

All thoughts and comments welcome.

[verde]

Anybody?

[greenmagick]

The problem with binding spells is you are not getting rid of the problem, you are just saving it for a later date. This can be helpful when time is what is needed, but in this situation, that doesnt seem to be the case.

Is the victim ok with magick? If so, see is shes up for some protective work.

I would focus on shielding and reflecting all her negative energy right back to her. I would use mirrors, reflective surfaces, etc. You could also work with the idea of her getting tangled up in her own web.

[wordmommy]

I'm with Nicole. You wouldn't want anybody to bind you, would you? I'd try to focus on bringing positive energy to the victim and maybe strengthening any wards she's got set up.

[verde]

Thanks for replying. I understand your concerns -- I have the same concerns. That's why I was hoping for some thoughts.

Wordmommy, of course I wouldn't want someone to bind me. But then I would not unjustly hurl a completely false allegation against someone so egregious that the person could get into serious legal trouble. I want to reiterate that I would never consider binding someone if it wasn't such a serious situation. It's so unfair and unjust.

greenmagick, thank you for the suggestion of tangling her up in her own web. Do you have any advice for such a thing?

[wordmommy]

verde, I understand. I had the same kind of situation come up with one of my best friends who was in the midst of a terrible divorce. It was so tempting for me to try to bind her ex, because he was ruining her reputation and trying to take her children and property from her. In the end, I worried about negative ramifications coming back to my friend (or to me, when I needed to be strong for her) and chose protection spells (and a charm). Incidentally, the waning quarter moon is coming up on the 18th. You might try some sort of working to rid your friend of the toxic person's intentions then...it would certainly give it a boost.

I hope I didn't upset you. I had such a powerful reaction to your post because the situations were so close. I hope everything works out for your friend.

[verde]

I hope I didn't upset you.

No, not at all. I'm glad you understand the sense of frustrated despair one has witnessing this type of event. Thank you.

[CariOfOz]

Mirror spell

I had just such a toxic person in my life and my answer wasn't to bind her in any way, I decided to do a mirror spell to reflect all of her nasty hateful behavior right back at her. I coupled that with some protective stuff for myself & my family The problems did cease, and recently the individual has approached me to make amends & peace. We'll never be best friends, but I'm happy that I no longer have to be worried about what she will do.

[verde]

Thanks Cari. That's good advice. I'm glad it worked out for you. I hope I can come up with something that also has a satisfactory outcome.

[Jennifer3141]

Verde,

I have used binding spells. Abso-freaking-lutely. You are more likely to find that kind of magick in a feminist womyn's circle than in a more tradtional pagan spiritual circle. Some of play with the dark aspects of the Mother as needed. Search out some Dianic groups, if you feel called.

We have a small joke in our circle that GWB has been hiding an awful itch in privates for YEARS.

[greenmagick]

Just wanted to add that I have no problem using a binding spell when appropriate, I just think it will make more of a mess in this particular situation. I feel very secure in defending myself, my children, etc when called to. Its just as I said, a binding is not a solution, just a temporary fix. If it was something like a divorce where tensions were running high, a binding could be used to get past the turmoil. This lady seems to constantly be causing trouble, so when would you release her?

[verde]

This lady seems to constantly be causing trouble, so when would you release her?

Hmmm....that's a good question.

To give you a bit more of an idea of the situation. I used to belong to an arts organization and she was a member. Over time many people, including myself, left because she was SUCH a difficult person: cruel, manipulative, dishonest, a professional victim, never takes responsibility for her actions because it's always someone else's fault. I am still friends with many people who stayed and talk to them frequently. Recently an administrative issue arose, she wanted to one thing and everyone else did not. She became enraged. She couldn't do much to most people, but to one person she could. This woman is a resident alien here on a green card. She accused resident alien of committing a crime and notified her employer. It's a complete lie. Now resident alien is in real danger of losing her job and being deported. It's a very serious situation. Everyone in the organization is stunned that she would actually do this but she is, indeed, doing it.

So from a magickal point of view, what would you suggest? I guess I was thinking of binding her from continuing on with her actions but maybe that isn't the best approach.

To answer an earlier question greenmagick, no the victim doesn't know anything about magick but the horrible accuser DOES. I know because when I first joined the organization, that was one of the interests we shared together. We became friends because we did some rituals together. Then over time I realized that she was REALLY BAD NEWS. I have protected myself from her.

So I guess another question is: is it possible to protect an innocent person from a horrible person?

[eilonwy]

I once did a combination reflection/binding ritual that worked really, really well-- so the negative energy being sent out from the individual in question was directed back toward them, and then prevented from escaping. It was not "nice," but it worked. That said, I'm inclined to agree that something else is necessary at this point-- protection of your innocent friend. Reflection/binding would be a good step to take in my opinion, but I think that your friend needs more protection/security/help bringing the truth to light.

[luckysam]

I think it would be great for all of you plus the lady being affected to do Ho'oponopono on yourselves for the lady causing all the trouble. Also if you are friends with the lady being affected, I would do some loa work, focusing on clearing up her own vibe. Feeling better about knowing her worth and focusing on loving herself can only help her move into a better space, spiritually and in her life as well.