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post #1 of 26
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So, mammas, I took my cat to the vet to get her the rabbies vaccine. She is generally anxious at the vets and is typically not the best patient, so I often put these things off. Besides, she is in indoor cat and never goes outside. It would have to be a fairly freak incident for her to contract rabbies.

Anyway, before administering the shot, my vet starts telling me about all of the side-effects associated with the vaccination. He gives me the pros and cons of vaccinating. He gives me his opinion/advise and asks me how I feel about the shot. Then, he also tells me that my cat could experience fever, inflamation around the injection site and change of temperment and proceeds to emphasize how serious those side effects can be. BTW, my cat was due for another vaccine too, but the vet wanted to space them out to reduce the overall trauma of the injection for the cat and to make sure the cat didn't get sick...

When I told him that my ped recommends 4 shots with multiple vacs and at a time and simply says to give the baby tylenol 30 min before the shot and every four hours after to reduce fever and pain. I have gone through around 7 different peds in 3 states and find they all tote the party line and say the same thing. He doesn't discredit the peds, but says that the fever and inflamation are serious side-effects that should not be masked when it comes to my pet and to call him if this happens.

WOW! Now, how is this a serious side-effect for my cat but not for my baby? Why is my vet so much more thorough? Why does he feel the need to make me feel educated and comfortable about vaccinating my feline friend and my ped doesn't? And, most importantly why does my ped brush-off these SERIOUS side-effects?

This was an eye-opening experience for me. I thought you would enjoy the irony...
post #2 of 26
wow...just wow. How can we care more about our pets than our children?
post #3 of 26
The difference is one is a free doctor who can treat his patients as he sees fit, the other is bound to big pharma guide lines and has to practicing "defensive medicine".
post #4 of 26
There was a doctor's strike in the 1970s; many people, out of desperation went to their veterinarian for advice. I recall being told by a veterinarian that he stopped giving shots around the neck and put the shot into the back leg because "cancer usually appears at the point of entry of the vaccine, and you can cut off a leg, but not the head if a tumor does start to grow."

I think veterinarians need to be smarter than regular doctors because the patient cannot tell the doctor where it hurts. And the patient does not usually sue for malpractice.

Editted to add: that most vets prefer their female animals have their babies at home also because transporting the female mammal in labor slows down labor and is disruptive to the process....mmmm...sounds familiar.
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
The difference is one is a free doctor who can treat his patients as he sees fit, the other is bound to big pharma guide lines and has to practicing "defensive medicine".
post #6 of 26
I have often marvelled at the difference in health care for my pets and myself.

A couple of years ago I adopted my dog and took him in for his first visit at my vet. Our appointment lasted an hour and we talked about temperment, how the dog was adjusting to my home, and nutrition. Cost me $80 out of my pocket.

Around the same time I joined a weight loss group, and needed a "doctor prescribed" goal weight. I went into the doctor, told him what I was doing, and he wrote a number on a prescription pad. No advice, no offer to refer me to a nutritionist, nothign. Visit lasted about five minutes. It was "free" under provincial health care.

*sigh*
post #7 of 26
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It was "free" under provincial health care.
One gets what one pays for.
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by applejuice View Post
One gets what one pays for.
Would you say the same for midwives, chiropractors, or naturopaths who discount or give their services to families in need? (I know examples of all three, for the record.) just curious.
post #9 of 26
Wow sounds like a great vet. And that's really odd that he went into such in depth discussion as the rabies vax is required by law I believe......
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by liliaceae View Post
Wow sounds like a great vet. And that's really odd that he went into such in depth discussion as the rabies vax is required by law I believe......
only for outside animals that require collar and license IIRC.
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by liliaceae View Post
Wow sounds like a great vet. And that's really odd that he went into such in depth discussion as the rabies vax is required by law I believe......
Depends on the state.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by L&K'smommie View Post
wow...just wow. How can we care more about our pets than our children?
Just that...ugh
post #13 of 26
Oh, have I got a story for you. It's not vax-related, but it does apply to this.

A vet saved my life. Saved the lives of my husband and pets, too.

Both DH and I were ill (we both had odd mood swings, fatigue, and joint pain), but my symptoms were the worst. My symptoms became so horrible that driving to my job was getting scary.... Then I started getting odd shadowy hallucinations and memory lapses, too.

We had gone to the General Practitioner first. He was really awesome and concerned, but it was so frustrating, bc he couldn't figure out what was going on. We were first tested for Lyme Disease and that turned out to be negative. Then my symptoms became much worse (DH's stayed milder).

So over 6 months, I had been referred to a number of specialists (rheumatologist, gynecologist, neurologist, and endocrinologist) and had 10 bloodtests. I also had an MRI, an EEG, sonograms, and a VER. Most everything came out normal. Sometimes a bloodtest would seem a little off, but then I'd be retested and then it'd be okay.

I was tested for brain tumors, reproductive cancers (breast and uterine), epilepsy, Thyroid disease, and goodness knows what else (my doctor didn't tell me all of the things he was looking for but I now there was more). The specialists ranged from being very concerned but confused as to what was going down to acting like I was downright LYING about being sick for attention. The worst was the gynecologist and a rheumatologist.

Yeah, right. I was sooo looking for attention. My symptoms were the worst when I was driving. Because of it became too painful (not to mention dangerous) to drive I had to leave a wonderful temp-to-perm job. I was out of work for a month, and lost a very special opportunity that would have given me my dream job. It was terrible!

Well, in March (a month later) one of my sugar gliders (a cute exotic pet that is like a flying squirrel) suddenly died. It was *very* sudden. The odd thing is her mate had died almost the same date the year before in the same manner. I thought he had a heart attack, because he was 10 and kind of chubby (they live 10-15 years), but she was very healthy and just died out of the blue. I took her body and my remaining living sugar glider to the vet. He's seen us since my pets were babies so he knows I take good care of these guys.

Got asked lots of questions, of course.

Suddenly he looks at me very seriously and asks, "RLM, have you and others in your household been feeling okay?" I told him, no, of course.

"Do you have gas in your house?"

Yep.

"Please check for a gas or CO leak. This has happened to at least 3 other of my clients!"

He went on to explain that a low leak of gas or CO would build up during the winter. It'd be low enough that during the warmer months when the windows could be open, you wouldn't be as sick...but during the winter months (after the windows have been shut) it'd be strong enough to kill small pets. This was very possibly what had killed both my gliders since they had both died the same way in early March (the end of winter here).

Sure enough, we find out our gas dryer (which was on it's way to dying) had been leaking CO. We should have known something was up... A couple months before hand our CO detector had gone off...but we thought it was defective as it was only letting out intermittent beeps (like the way a fire detector sounds when it needed to have the battery replaced). We didn't realize it was really warning us of an actual CO leak.

Once we had the dryer replaced (with a nice efficient electric one), we both started feeling better in a couple weeks. I had found a new wonderful job and decided to buy a new car since mine was dying. I hadn't driven it very much between then. When I got into it to take it to Car Max, I noticed it smelled bad. Then I start it up... As I'm driving, I notice an exhaust leak to the point I had to roll down the windows... It turns out that both our house and my car were poisoning me. I couldn't smell the exhaust like, though, bc the CO poisoning from my house had killed my sense of smell.

A month (and a new car and new dryer) later, both DH and I are 100% again. I even managed to lose 20 pounds. I go to my doctor, and he is shocked. Then I tell him what happen... He looked at me in surprise, and actually...apologized. Gratuitously.

He felt horrible, bc he used to run a CO poisoning clinic. The problem is it is very hard to detect (in bloodwork) unless you are exposed to really high levels... Suddenly, my funny bloodtests made sense. The days my blood had been a bit off, I had driven myself to get my blood drawn. The days it wasn't, my husband had taken me (different car).

I'd never been sick like that in my life—ever. Never went to the hospital once. Never broken a bone. I rarely used pain killers (mostly just during my period), and I could count the times I took antibiotics in my life on one hand...

This was a really terrifying experience to go through. The worst was not knowing why I was ill, and the fact I was really beginning to think it was all in my head. I still am blown away that we even found the answer, and finally fixed it. I really feel blessed.

If it hadn't been for the veterinarian's keen observation and experience, that CO leak from the dryer could have very well stayed unchecked and become worse—either making us more sick...or even killing my husband, all of my pets, and myself in the middle of the night.

We have both fully recovered from this, but our confidence in doctors is permanently shaken. While I appreciated my GP for his honesty and the how he advocated so hard to find out what was wrong, we ended up leaving his office, because it had a lot of administrative issues. Perhaps those were a distraction for him, too, and part of why he didn't seem to think "environmental facor" from the start. It seems like if two people in a household have similar symptoms you should be thinking "environmental cause," KWIM? Well, he was human...but it just seems like he (or at least ONE of the specialists) should have been able to think of it.

I no longer own sugar gliders. My last glider passed away from a congenital defect a few months later worsened by her age and possibly from the stress from losing her friend.

We ended up buying 4 more CO detectors (we keep 2 in the basement now and a couple upstairs). If they ever go off again (even intermittent beeps), we plan to get out and call the fire department.
post #14 of 26
What an amazing story. I'm so glad you are feeling better, but I'm so sorry about your pets.

Holistic Veterinarians started me on my path to researching vaccinations, diet, and alternative treatments. It was just not remotely on my radar before then and I'll always be grateful to them.
post #15 of 26
Wow. Great thread. :

Um... and I might feel like I have to get about 4 more CO detectors!
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by FernG View Post
Depends on the state.

Yup. here are the laws by state

http://www.zbirdbrain.com/VAX/RabiesLaws.pdf

To original poster: I live in a state where it is "law" to give rabies shots to cats. I have 3 indoor cats and NONE of them are up to date on their rabies vax...it is ridiculous to make indoor cats have this vax IMO!. And yes we still take the cats to the vet when they are ill. They can't make you get the rabies vax law or not. The risk of not getting it is if the cat gets loose outside, contracts rabies and bites somebody. I guess I could get fined. The odds of this happening to my indoor cats who NEVER go outside are 0, so Ill pass!!!
post #17 of 26
There have been occassional threads about pet vaxes, and your stories are very interesting indeed. Quite amazing the difference between vets and peds in general. Also, vets were the first to complain about the mercury in vaxes YEARS ago because they KNEW it was causing problems and succeeded in removing it as far as I know.
post #18 of 26
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Also, vets were the first to complain about the mercury in vaxes YEARS ago because they KNEW it was causing problems and succeeded in removing it as far as I know.
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post #19 of 26
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The risk of not getting it is if the cat gets loose outside, contracts rabies and bites somebody. I guess I could get fined. The odds of this happening to my indoor cats who NEVER go outside are 0, so Ill pass!!!

We don't do vaxs anymore, either for our pets, but I was told that the only problem for an indoor cat could be a bat coming in that has rabies. I'm mildly nervous about that, but not too bad.
post #20 of 26
My vet did the same thing, only she said to stop vaxing since they were indoor. :

That is how I originally came to researching vaccines when I got pregnant.
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