Historical Jesus: Where and When He Grew Up - Page 2

[Kidzaplenty]

Originally Posted by flowers

kidzaplenty, is it really your desire to have everyone be a Christian?

Do I want everyone to join the "Christian religion"? No.
Do I want everyone to join the same church? No.
Do I want everyone to be just the same, think the same, live the same? No.

Do I want everyone to know the real Jesus and have a personal relationship with Him? Absolutely.

Because Jesus is the only way. But it is not about religion, or rituals, or churches, or denominations. It is about the Living God. It is about His Son. It is about us coming back to to where we all started. It is about bridging the gap between us and Him that was created when sin entered into the world. Reconcilliation.

[umsami]

Originally Posted by Kidzaplenty

And Chrisianity is not the same as every other religion. It is different. It is unique. It is built on fact. It is built on the Word of the Living God. Not on false stories to bring gladness to our hearts and to make a point.

Kidzaplenty... I spent some time in Seminary (Presbyterian), and I have to tell you, that the Bible is not supposed to be read as 100% literal fact. There are quite a few different literary techniques used throughout it.... and very few are designed to be historical fact. Allegory, for one.

[Kidzaplenty]

I have actually spent quite a bit of time studying it in University, too.

I agree there are some that are not "fact", such as Psalms and Proverbs. And then there are all the Parables that Jesus taught which were not "real". But these are clear they are parables. However, there is quite a lot that is conveyed "as fact", as history. And those should be take as history. Because if they are not, then the Bible is no different than any other book written.

God is truth. And as such, He is not going to "say" (through inspiration) that "something" happened if it did not really happen. If He wanted to just teach us lessons, then He would have told it in a "story" way indicating it was just a story. Not mixing in "history" with "fiction" in a way that you could not tell the difference.

So, yes, there are allegories in the Bible. But that does not change the historical parts, which include quite a bit of it.

[hkowell1]

Dear Sister Kidsapleny,
I just wanted to remind you that this was thread on LIBERAL THEOLOGY.
I am unsure if you are stating your opinion or telling us we are wrong. It has been stated that this thread was started to ask questions that most CONSERVATIVE christians would consider as NOT truth. Please take into consideration your beliefs may not be shared with all those who consider themselves "Christians" here and this thread was to share our thoughts and expand our faith from out side of the counsel of Nicea

[Kidzaplenty]

Originally Posted by hkowell1

Dear Sister Kidsapleny,
I just wanted to remind you that this was thread on LIBERAL THEOLOGY.
I am unsure if you are stating your opinion or telling us we are wrong. It has been stated that this thread was started to ask questions that most CONSERVATIVE christians would consider as NOT truth. Please take into consideration your beliefs may not be shared with all those who consider themselves "Christians" here and this thread was to share our thoughts and expand our faith from out side of the counsel of Nicea

I was not intending to state that anyone was wrong. I was just answering questions specifically pointed to me.

And the OP did not specify that they were looking for only LIBERAL THEOLOGY replies or replies that agreed, so I am sorry for intruding where I was not invited.

No hard feelings, I will bow out since it has now pointed out.:

[umsami]

Originally Posted by Kidzaplenty

I was not intending to state that anyone was wrong. I was just answering questions specifically pointed to me.

And the OP did not specify that they were looking for only LIBERAL THEOLOGY replies or replies that agreed, so I am sorry for intruding where I was not invited.

No hard feelings, I will bow out since it has now pointed out.:

Kidzaplenty, I never thought this thread was only for liberal theology? If you've watched the videos...and want to comment... stay!

[hkowell1]

I may have been misunderstood. this thread was started from an off shot of the Liberal Christian theology thread that had been started. I had read some of your reply's that indicated that you did not agree with the historic evidence that was being portrayed in the program. The intent was not to ask you to leave, but to inform you that the series was giving us a back drop on to which to start a dialog that would not necessarily be within the frame work of "traditional christian belief" and even though everyone is open to their own beliefs, it was not intended to debate whether or not one belief system is truth, infallible, inspired or literal word of GOD. The purpose was to explore the new information and participate in a question/answer. I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Suzukimom]

I'll take credit for the confusion and misunderstanding. In my original post, I did not indicate that this was a discussion for liberal Christians nor did I reference the previous thread which gave rise to this discussion.

I don't want to exclude anyone from the discussion based on their belief system but I don't want things to get snarly and disrespectful of a person and their opinions.

So, let's carry on.

I found it interesting that Jesus grew up near a center of radicalism which may have influenced him greatly.

[hkowell1]

Has any body finished the 2hrs yet? I got through parts 1&2. I found so much of it to fits into even our era.
In part one, a commentator mentions the two different "themes" he uses a long word that I don't know how to spell(
anyway the
GOD will be coming to deal with the problem vs. GOD's calling us to fix it. I thought about how these two very different approaches affect the way we see how GOD works in our lives and how we individually view the message of Jesus. Any takers?

[hkowell1]

I also find it interesting that the message had a very "political" undertone.
I can see how the message would appeal to many when there is a foreign occupation with a belief system that is so very different from your own.

I can see a very strong parallel of today's conflicts in the middle east and see the same situation.
Foreign occupation leading to religious radicalism with political undertones. If the past is to repeat it's self-its not going to be pretty.

[hrsmom]

Originally Posted by hkowell1

Has any body finished the 2hrs yet? I got through parts 1&2. I found so much of it to fits into even our era.
In part one, a commentator mentions the two different "themes" he uses a long word that I don't know how to spell(
anyway the
GOD will be coming to deal with the problem vs. GOD's calling us to fix it. I thought about how these two very different approaches affect the way we see how GOD works in our lives and how we individually view the message of Jesus. Any takers?

Originally Posted by hkowell1

I also find it interesting that the message had a very "political" undertone.
I can see how the message would appeal to many when there is a foreign occupation with a belief system that is so very different from your own.

I can see a very strong parallel of today's conflicts in the middle east and see the same situation.
Foreign occupation leading to religious radicalism with political undertones. If the past is to repeat it's self-its not going to be pretty.

I haven't watched anything past the first two segments. I thought the political aspect was interesting also. I like the supposition that Jesus was quite savvy and knew several languages. From what I understand, the political situation and environment are historical fact, and Jesus doesn't make much of it, really. He seems more interested in turning everything upside down, not just the people interested in the political situation!