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post #1 of 13
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Our son is not vaxed, and this weekend we were suppose to be going to visit my parents, but my mom called today to say that they have had a few cases of whooping cough, her being the art teacher, she has seen the children in the last week or two. Is there a chance she could pass it on to our son? She's more concerned than I am, but I do want to take precautions.

If it makes a difference, she's very meticulous about washing hands, and even changes her clothes the second she gets home (she is prone to illness, and takes extra precautions to keep from being constantly sick).

Thanks for any thoughts you all might have to share.

Julie
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Originally Posted by simple life View Post
Our son is not vaxed, and this weekend we were suppose to be going to visit my parents, but my mom called today to say that they have had a few cases of whooping cough, her being the art teacher, she has seen the children in the last week or two. Is there a chance she could pass it on to our son? She's more concerned than I am, but I do want to take precautions.

If it makes a difference, she's very meticulous about washing hands, and even changes her clothes the second she gets home (she is prone to illness, and takes extra precautions to keep from being constantly sick).

Thanks for any thoughts you all might have to share.

Julie
She can potentially be a carrier, yes. We all can be carriers. The vaccine does not prevent that possibility. And even if she is not in close contact with anyone who actively has wc, she (we all) can still carry the bacteria.

Even if everyone around the child is vaccinated, it doesn't really make a difference. It's just one of those things. Your doctor or your ped, can carry the bacteria and pass it on to anyone.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?s=whooping+cough
post #3 of 13
WC is everywhere. Most people just don't know they have it. They think they have allergies or something else. Its frequently misdiagnosed. I wouldn't be concerned. Your son is almost 2 so it shouldn't be a problem if he gets it. While your mother can bring it home realize that while you have been out and about there have also probably been wc and you never worried about it before. People esp who have very mild cases aren't gonna be staying at home. They are gonna be mixed in with the general population. Have SA on hand but I wouldn't be worrying about it.
post #4 of 13
Yes she could be a carrier, but so can everyone, so I wouldn't worry about it.
post #5 of 13
I think we need to draw a distinction between "anyone could be a carrier" and "a recently exposed individual could be a carrier". Of course anyone could have pertussis at any time, but your mother has a known exposure, so the likelihood that she's infected is higher than normal.

We've had pertussis in a baby and it doesn't scare me, but I'm not going to seek it out, either. It's not fun. I'd wait a couple of weeks and see if she gets sick before I'd take my baby for a visit. People catch pertussis many times during their lifetime and have clinical disease more than once, so catching it doesn't really confer any benefit, like catching chickenpox would. Immunity is temporary, so why take the chance when your baby is still a baby?

We don't vax and like I said, pertussis really doesn't scare me. It's not a common cold, though. It's extremely uncomfortable, very stressful and sometimes even frightening for a minute or two (or more if you're unlucky enough to experience a serious case or complication). Given that infection gives no real benefit, possible exposure should really be limited, IMO.
post #6 of 13
While you can get it more than once (you can chicken pox as well), once you have it immunity is generally life long. whoopingcough.net (which is a pro vax site) has great info about it and confirms this.
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While you can get it more than once (you can chicken pox as well), once you have it immunity is generally life long. whoopingcough.net (which is a pro vax site) has great info about it and confirms this.
There is no life long immunity to whooping cough.
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There is no life long immunity to whooping cough.
I was going to say isn't it estimated or thought that everybody get wc every 2-3 years?
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I was going to say isn't it estimated or thought that everybody get wc every 2-3 years?
From what I've read wc goes around every 5 or so years and anyone can potentially get it then. That is when they bring out the must-vaccinate propaganda. They use it full force and then, well looky their, next year wc is reduced. Yeah! Right. It would have been gone anyway. At least for another ca 5yrs.
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While you can get it more than once (you can chicken pox as well), once you have it immunity is generally life long. whoopingcough.net (which is a pro vax site) has great info about it and confirms this.

I'm not sure to what information on that page you are referring, but doing ust a cursory glance, this is all I found that referenced immunity:

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Whooping cough itself produces immunity which is strong and longlasting. It is not considered necessary to give immunization to somebody who has had the real thing. It is however possible to get it twice, but it is very unusual.

Unfortunately, it's essentially wrong on EVERY point. First off, the mainstream medical community does recommend vaccinating people who have already had pertussis. As it says here:

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PERTUSSIS MYTH #3: I already had a pertussis immunization
or had pertussis as a child, so I don’t need the vaccine.
FACT: False. Individuals with a history of pertussis should still receive the vaccine. The immunity of individuals with either natural or vaccine-induced immunity can decrease.
http://www.napnap.org/userfiles/File...P_BROCHURE.pdf

Mind you, I don't vaccinate, so I'm not saying I believe everyone needs a pertussis vax. I'm only pointing out that your source doesn't really seem to understand much about pertussis immunity and/or vaccination recommendations.

On the second point, that it's unusual to get it twice....well, that's ridiculous. Serology studies show that the average adult is infected about once every three years. So if you live 75 years, have your first infection at age 5 (just to pick a random, likely number)...that's about 22 or 23 infections in a lifetime. All of those won't result in clinical pertussis every time, but certainly more than one of them will. Pertussis is NOTHING like chickenpox when it comes to immunity.

On the same page of your site he says this:

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The new vaccine, as one might expect, is equally effective but causes fewer reactions when given.
This is also known by the mainstream medical community to be untrue. The vaccine does cause fewer reactions, but it is less effective and that's no anti-vax conspiracy. It's just common knowledge in the mainstream medical world.

I appreciate the doctor's effort to educate us and his kindness in providing sound bytes, which I know from experience are very helpful in identifying WC. He's missed the mark on several points, though. If you search through the archives in this forum, there are lots of threads about the transient nature of pertussis immunity.

Having dealt with (a very mild, and yet still stressful, case of) pertussis in an infant, the fact that infection offers only transient protection makes it even more important to attempt to avoid exposure in a baby. There's no long term benefit to it and it can be a very difficult illness. We had a mild case, but I certainly didn't enjoy watching my baby cough until her face turned bright red/almost purple and then vomit up breastmilk and copious amounts of mucous.

I won't vaccinate for pertussis or recommend it to anyone else, nor will I freak out about a possible exposure in a baby, but it just makes sense to try to avoid it if you know someone has been exposed!!! Especially when you consider how many more people you and your baby might give it to (should you catch it) during the incubation period. Unless you (general you) plan on hiding out in your house for a few weeks and avoiding human contact until you're sure your contact doesn't have it and therefore didn't give it to you, you'd be risking exposing others who maybe DID want to avoid it.
post #11 of 13
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update

Wow, thanks for all the replies and info! This was a very good lesson into an illness I hadn't really looked into much!

For the update. I talked to my mom and she showed me the letter that they got and that was sent home with the kids (my parents live just about a mile away, but due to our very different schedules - parents both 9 to 5 type jobs and my hubby works nights/evenings and has his weekend in the middle of the week - we don't get to visit much), and it ended up that there was one case in a family that had kids at two schools, both of which are not schools she teaches at.

We did go visit, and hopefully all is well.

As for the SA, where do you all buy it? I found it online a few places, but I don't know what is the best kind. It's a powder right? Or a pill?

Thank you again for all this info. I did a lot of reading about vaxing, but always skimmed over whooping cough as it didn't seem awful, though it is a little scary now that I have learned more.

Julie
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As for the SA, where do you all buy it? I found it online a few places, but I don't know what is the best kind. It's a powder right? Or a pill?
Bronson Item 50B

Target has chewable sodium ascorbate.
post #13 of 13
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As for the SA, where do you all buy it? I found it online a few places, but I don't know what is the best kind. It's a powder right? Or a pill?
My most recent purchase was Now brand rather than Bronson, Bronson's prices have really jumped. We keep a large amount on-hand for if/when WC visits us, though of course it's very useful for the other, run-of-the-mill illnesses out there too.
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