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post #61 of 202
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There's no time to waste being sweet and gentle.
Exactly.
post #62 of 202
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Originally posted by Arduinna
I hope your speaking for yourself and those that agree with you only. Because I am not part of your collective "we".
I'm referring to the comments that several people have made to the effect of, "look, the sign got us talking, obviously -- so it worked." But this thread has not been discussing animal abuse ... or... what was the point the sign was trying to make? Something about milk? (You see what I mean?) This thread has been discussing, instead, PETA's controversial approach, and whether or not kids who believe in Santa can read, and so forth. The issue that PETA intends to promote discussion about has not been the focal point of the discussion.
post #63 of 202
I totally agree - couldn't have said it better!

aw, shucks. i cant help myself. i love peta. guess i never will get rid of that soft spot i have for extremist, underdogs, and people who are unaffraid to be totally offensive for a good cause. the fact that so many hate them just makes em seem more cuddly to me.
post #64 of 202
Considering that this thread was started to discuss PETAs advertising decisions (not it's activism for animal rights) it's hardly surprising that the focus has been the ads. I generally like to stay on topic in threads.

In fact the OP is a perfect example for my previous post.

I'm sure that many many people have been curious as to the controvery over PETA ads and gone to their website to find out what they really do stand for. Who are they? They are the people that have limited info on PETA as an organization, and that haven't already decided to write the group off as "extremists".
post #65 of 202
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Originally posted by Erin Pavlina
PETA definitely gets in your face using humorous truth
There's no time to waste being sweet and gentle.
I'm not saying they have to be sweet and gentle. There's nothing wrong with getting in people's faces and using humorous truth. I just think it's possible to do so while keeping the focus on the issue and without offending women and holocaust survivors and upsetting small children. I'll bet those of us in this thread could get together and come up with a truthful, in-your face message that attacks the factory farming industry without offending those we don't want to offend, and create a more effective sign than PETA's.
post #66 of 202
Hey, I consider myself to be an animal rights activist, but this doesn't mean I have to like PETA. As I have said in previous posts, I applaud their ideals and support their intent.

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They don't have time to mess around. Millions of animals are slaughtered every day. There's no time to waste being sweet and gentle.
I am in agreement but it's one thing to have this philosophy but quite another to plaster it up on a billboard for everyone to see. Why not have 'em in late night commercials, in magazine ads, saturate every talk show and news broadcast! Call me crazy, but I'd like to choose the time I feel is most appropriate when it comes to educating my son about the evils of commercial meat processing and the fur industry. I can turn off the TV, I can not buy certian magazines, but it's kinda hard to keep my kid from seeing a HUGE bilboard! They have every right to spread their message but not when it threatens the innocence of my son and his peers! THERE IS A BETTER WAY!
post #67 of 202
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Originally posted by Arduinna
Considering that this thread was started to discuss PETAs advertising decisions (not it's activism for animal rights) it's hardly surprising that the focus has been the ads. I generally like to stay on topic in threads.
But don't you see? Someone read the ad, and then came here and, instead of posting "hey! I just saw a great ad that taught me something I didn't know about milk!" they posted "ugh! how inappropriate!" and then a bunch of us joined in saying that our reaction to the ad is the same. This thread represents a reaction to the ad which is not exactly the reaction that such an ad should be trying to produce.
post #68 of 202
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HUH??? A peaceful demonstration is hardly an act of war! Marches and sit-ins at lunch counters are hardly acts of violence! So what is your problem with Gandhi and Martin Luther King being called pacifists?? They were pacifists!!
Then what is the problem with the billboard? They are not advocating war - and most kids probably won't understand the double entendre of the billboard.

They got you to think about animals at a time when animals are traditionally not thought of at all - except for the meal or as a gift.

A pacifist may oppose violence and war but they do not oppose confrontation and IMO that is what this is about.

Gandhiji also said that you can judge a nation by how well its animals are treated.

Further I have never seen PETA advocate violence on this issue.
post #69 of 202
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Originally posted by Devrock
I'll bet those of us in this thread could get together and come up with a truthful, in-your face message that attacks the factory farming industry without offending those we don't want to offend, and create a more effective sign than PETA's.

I am sure that PETA could also do the same, if they wanted too, some groups want press whether it actually works to further their cause or to educate or not.:

I am sure they could come up with ads that made a very clear, very stong point (as I said before- show the pics of animals, and leave out the Holocaust victims), but they obviously are looking for something other than education, IMO
post #70 of 202
no, actually someone read an op ed piece about PETAs ads and came and posted a copy of it. And it's clear from their choice of title for this thread that they already have a bias against PETA (again supporting my contention). Not the same thing. And considering the focus of Mothering and many MDC members on natural living, vegetarianism ect and the fact that not one person posted about not understanding the Santa ad, it's clear that we understood the link between milk and impotence so what is there to discuss??

There were posts btw about animal rights, but they were from people who already had made a decision. We that same old same old stuff of "well what about the poor vegetables" in essence saying that any activism is usless and hypocritical. Hardly stuff for an open minded discussion. And again off topic for this thread about ADS.
post #71 of 202
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Originally posted by 3boys4us
Then what is the problem with the billboard? They are not advocating war - and most kids probably won't understand the double entendre of the billboard.
No one has claimed that the billboard is advocating war or that children will understand the sexual reference. The expressed concern is that children will be upset by the suggestion that Santa Claus will not be visiting their house this year.

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Originally posted by 3boys4us
They got you to think about animals at a time when animals are traditionally not thought of at all - except for the meal or as a gift.
No, they didn't get me thinking about animals. They got me thinking about a bunch of little kids who are going to be uspet by the suggestion that Santa Claus will not be visiting their house this year.

Luckily, I don't need PETA to make me think about animals. I think about animals regardless of PETA. Good thing.

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Originally posted by 3boys4us
I have never seen PETA advocate violence on this issue.
I don't think anyone has been claiming that PETA advocates violence on this issue.
post #72 of 202
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Originally posted by Arduinna
no, actually someone read an op ed piece about PETAs ads and came and posted a copy of it.
I believe that was the original poster's way of saying "ugh, how inappropriate."

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Originally posted by Arduinna
And it's clear from their choice of title for this thread that they already have a bias against PETA
I don't think you need to be biased to notice a certain pattern in this particular group's advertising.
post #73 of 202
I may not agree with all of PETA's tactics, which is why I stopped financially supporting them years ago (not to mention that i'm broke : ) , but I am VERY glad they exist nevertheless.

The mass droves of people do not stop and think what is wrong with milk... what is wrong with snapping chicken's beaks off.... what is wrong with mass pumping of antibiotics, ect.

This ad makes us uncomfortable, and IT SHOULD!!!! The amount of resouces this contry consumes in the name of eating animals/animal products is sickening. The health threat, the environmental threat, the lack of ethical consideration.... PETA shocks and introduces eye opening discussion.

Once upon a time something called the ERA was considered extreme. Guess what, it still is by many. But I will support the ERA until it one day passes. Likewise, I will support veganism until we embrace compassion for those who can't speak for themselves.

Great thread.

post #74 of 202
Devrock... PETA's ads aren't offensive to everyone, so saying they can make ads that don't offend people really isn't under their control. People will either choose to be offended or not offended by what they see. What some see as offensive to women or holocaust survivors, other people will see as a perfect example.

Here is something I wanted to point out...

If you were a slave in 1859 in the south and you were suffering terribly (as they all were), would you want some nice people from the north to have some tea parties with a few people who paid to be in attendance listening to their thoughts and views on why the slaves should be freed? Or would you want those people marching in the south, putting up signs showing whipped backs, abused bodies, and cowering people and bringing to light the true atrocities that were committed against these slaves? If you were a slave in 1859 would you care if some southern slave owners were offended by those signs?

If you were a slave in 1859 would you be wishing with all your being that someone, somewhere would save you, no matter the cost, no matter the threat to the economy of the south, no matter who had to be shaken awake so they would finally see that it is not right to treat any living being so cruelly?

No animal should suffer such cruel treatment to be a delicacy on someone's plate. It's murder, it's wrong, and in my humble opinion, there is simply no justification for it. So I applaud and support PETA for their efforts and their tactics. More power to them.
post #75 of 202
The above poster reminds me why I would never give $$$ to PETA.

Do I think animals should be fed well, not tortured...? Yes. Do I think all people should be vegitarians? No. Do I think that people should be able to wear leather? Yes.

For me, I totally support PETAs attempts to have animals treated in a *humane* manner. I cannot support, though, assertions that it is reasonable to care for an ANT as much as your own child, or if you were driving and there was a person in front of the car you WOULDN'T swerve if you had to hit an animal to do so. That's just off the deep end for me.

Totally OT--- When DD was just becomming a good reader, we passed an adult superstore called "Peeps"--- she thought that it was the factory where *all* the Easter candy peeps were made and kept asking if we could go there. She knew we couldn't go *right then* because the windows were dark--- obviously they were closed, lol.
post #76 of 202
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Originally posted by TiredX2
The above poster reminds me why I would never give $$$ to PETA.
I have to laugh, because Erin Pavlina's post is making me think that maybe i WILL start to give PETA some money again (if I can find some).
:LOL

post #77 of 202
Well, it was definatley eloquent!

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It's murder, it's wrong, and in my humble opinion, there is simply no justification for it.
See, I do think there is *justification* that is quite adequate for animal death. Drug research, disease research, etc... And when you get right down to it, I feel the animals should be treated well but that it is "okay" to eat them or wear them for that matter.

For me, the fact that Blacks should have the same rights as Whites is just as obvious that animals should NOT have the same rights as people.

And one thing I don't understand, and I'm not being sarcastic here. If we are going to no longer eat meat or use any animal products--- what do we do with the animals? Let them go free? Would it be someones responsibility to feed them? I'm serious here, whats the solution?

Kay
post #78 of 202
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Originally posted by Erin Pavlina
Devrock... PETA's ads aren't offensive to everyone, so saying they can make ads that don't offend people really isn't under their control.
I think it is. I think their basic attitude on it has been that they know their ads are offensive and they don't apologize and they intend to keep doing it.

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Originally posted by Erin Pavlina
If you were a slave in 1859 would you care if some southern slave owners were offended by those signs?
The people that PETA is offending are not analogous to the slave owners. If PETA were simply offending people who are cruel to animals, then I would say what you are saying: More power to them!
post #79 of 202
I went strait to PETA's website after reading this thread, and picked up info on many more issues and their agenda.

You talking about it does work. Regardless of what aspect you are talking about. You're increasing exposure.

Sparked my curiosity, I'm sure I'm not the only one
post #80 of 202
I went strait to PETA's website after reading this thread, and picked up info on many more issues and their agenda.

You talking about it does work. Regardless of what aspect you are talking about. You're increasing exposure.

Sparked my curiosity, I'm sure I'm not the only one
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